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posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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Very well put, I think u have got a good point there lilblam
. I don’t think it will be to long now before things start to happen!




posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by lilblam

Originally posted by who
Jeremiah25 has it right, we are rather close minded when we think of an invasion, I highly doubt they would be. As bad of a comparison as it may seem, I think they said it quite well in the movie The Faculty. That movie was about a high school in some quiet town that was taken over by an alien through planting small parasites in your ear. The line I was getting at was something about if you were an alien race, would you attack the planet by landing on the white house lawn, or would you slip in through the back door where no one is looking and have little or no fight. If anyone else has seen this, please clarify for me. I think that kid had it right on.


The war of the worlds movie portrayed the aliens killing us one by one. It's rather funny, if you wanted to destroy an ant colony, would you shoot each ant individually while allowing all the other ends time to run? Or would you just spray the colony with "insecticide" or something similar and simply annihilate it in seconds?

Or, what if they need us for something, what better way than to establish a system of control that's designed to keep us asleep and unaware and oblivious to the reality of our predicament, and this system would be designed to generate exactly what the aliens want from us without us even realising it? So we would be like a cow herd, we'd not even realise what is our purpose and what our entire life is really designed for. In the case of cows, it's just food. Maybe this is not so different either?

What's interesting is, when you think about the food chain, predator and prey, when you start moving up to humans, who are the top of the food chain on this planet (as far as we know), our way to kill animals is not the natural "predator and prey" scenario. Because we have brains, we can make animals think they're not prey at all, and kill them in such a way that they don't know it's coming, and the rest of them have no idea that they are being grown and exterminated for our needs. So while generally in the animal world the prey are aware of the existance of predators, when it comes to humans, animals tend to have absolutely no idea, we do it intelligently, we control their entire existance and then take them out one by one when we need them, and they are completely unaware of what's going on, they don't even know that we ARE predators or a threat at all, which is exactly the way we like to keep it.

The same could very well be true if you continue the food chain to a level above us. This whole planet could be just a giant chicken farm, and we'd not know it. We could be simply a "resource" to be grown and cultivated, and we'd have absolutely no idea about it, just like our chickens and our cows are oblivious to the reality of their predicament. And in order to help maintain the system, we're given things like religions and other lies to keep us believing in illusions and therefore unaware of the reality. So while we're busy making assumptions and generally are kept constantly busy with our every day lives, our greater existance could very well be simply a one of a crop that is cultivated and collected when needed.

In fact, I think this is exactly what is happening..

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WOW, that really inspired me, I had many opinions, but this one got me really thinking, the way you explain it makes it all so clear, it could be happening right now without us even be aware of it, but one thing I must say, we grow cows for our own needs, but they don't have a culture and the intelligence humans do, they probably aren't aware that they or grown to be eaten, they don't have weapons or anything like that, but on the hand, our weapons and all our knowledge could be useless againt a high form on the food chain, I'm glad i read your reply, the best I read till now on ATS



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Martini
WOW, that really inspired me, I had many opinions, but this one got me really thinking, the way you explain it makes it all so clear, it could be happening right now without us even be aware of it, but one thing I must say, we grow cows for our own needs, but they don't have a culture and the intelligence humans do, they probably aren't aware that they or grown to be eaten, they don't have weapons or anything like that, but on the hand, our weapons and all our knowledge could be useless againt a high form on the food chain, I'm glad i read your reply, the best I read till now on ATS


Well animals do have weapons and a culture of sorts. I mean, their weapons are "natural" weapons, be it teeth or horns or claws. Their culture is just the natural way various species conduct their lives, communicate, cooperate with each other, and basically live, which can be very unique and often amazing to observe. Consider a colony of ants, its organizational level and ability to cooperate with one another to accomplish great tasks - it is really a communism or socialism that actually works because each ant dedicates himself entirely to the betterment of the colony, never for himself. And yet, their level of awareness and intelligence is what prevents them from being anywhere near our level of understanding and ability to DO things creatively and intellectually, instead of being programmed by nature. Obviously if you try to wrestle with a bear, you won't have much luck. But if you shoot it in the head with a gun, the bear won't even know what hit it, and it will be dead very quickly without any hope to fight back. I am not even talking about what chance that same bear has if you move in on a tank or even a bulldozer.

The problem with hollywood is that it cannot really portray aliens realistically, since movies won't be fun to watch then. They must "humanize" them, make them something very similar to ourselves, only a bit more advanced, but not too advanced that they're too hard to handle for us - so we can win in the end, or at least put up a good fight, which makes the movie "fun". If they came in and just blew up the planet with a press of a button, just like we can blow up an enemy city by nuking it, the movie would not be fun, but realistic. Just as it happened at the beginning of "Hichhiker's guide to the galaxy" (though the rest of the movie was entirely humorous and unrealistic by far). The funny part is they did not even attack us with weapons, it was simply a construction crew using typical tools they use to demolish something - can you imagine what they could do if they actually involved their "military"? Again, it would be like rolling into a forest on tanks - senseless. This is ironically how we kill animals here too, no one invades forests with tanks and planes, that is entirely unnecessary, we just demolish and cut'em down, the animals stand no chance at all, no hope of any opposition whatsoever. And we never overestimate or underestimate the animals, we know exactly what they can and cannot do, because we abduct them and research them and experiment on them as we please (kinda like they do to us huh?).

Also, can you honestly imagine a dogfight with a UFO? Consider that these beings can control space and time at will, are hyperdimentional by nature, and so they can easily teleport to any point in space or time in any dimention or alternate reality, at will. But more than that, that they may perceive a 4-dimentional space instead of 3-dimentional, in which case we won't even have a name for the direction they can instantaneously move, which wouldnt' even exist in our perceivable or detectable space. There is no more "dog fights" on their level, just like humans do not fight wars by stampeding each other or biting one another to death, or clawing to death. To try to bring them to our level is naive at best.

So because we're still alive, is proof already that it is not (yet) their intention to annihilate us. We have a different use to those aliens that are here..

Also, just as we never go into a forest and say "hello" to the animals and try to establish contact, it seems that similarly those higher intelligences may not do so for the same reason. We may very well be so far below their level of awareness and level of understanding and existance in general that we may very well be like primitive animals to them. Of course, they may contact us, but I suspect it would be like us teaching dogs tricks.

And just like we don't give TV sets to monkeys, I find it unlikely that they would come here and give technology to us, or ask us permission for anything they want to do. Ideas like that seems to be disinformation designed to distract from the real nature of what is going on, and again, tries to put them on our level. I think the answers to what they want from us can be found by studying history and esoteric knowledge, and at the same time philosophy, psychology, and many other things and then "joining the dots". There are many clues and much information out there, but there is much more disinformation.

From my research, I think it is highly probable that just as we eat animals, aliens eat us, only on a different level. I think they use our negative energies, and thus, it is the reason that the human race is constantly led to wars and is always made to suffer greatly at all points in its history and present. This constant suffering is very much intentionally created, and maintained, despite the fact that we have the capability to prevent most of it already, and had that ability for a while.



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Jeremiah25

I do not know if anything will happen in 2012. I really doubt it, but I am confident that Earth will never see an alien invasion of the type popularised through Hollywood. It simply does not make much sense when you sit and think about it, at least in my opinion. What do you guys think?


Jeremiah25,

I think you are right on!

It is good to see people think for themselves. Your are totally right when you said it doesn't make sense for Aliens to invade the Earth or to come here to fight us. Even though that scenario has always had a high level of entertainment value over the years.

In my opinion it is simply a reflection of Human fears , just as the idea that Aliens are here to save us or protect us is a reflection of Human hopes.

Neither of those ideas make any logical sense , and both ideas are opposite extremes in the spectrum of possibilities.

There is plenty of real estate in the Galaxy , and there is no logic or need to fight over a little planet like Earth.

However , Earth is an awesome place if your an advanced civilization that wants to watch a primitive form of life develop into an advanced civilization.

For me it is comforting to know that ignorant and aggressive life forms are doomed to stay stuck on their home worlds if they develop , but to actually come here to Earth a life form would have to develop advanced technology. To develop advanced technology is always going to require a high level of Scientific curiosity. To me that means that Aliens would be far more interested in observing Earth and the Life on it , especially Humans and our technological advancement.

At the same time however , the Aliens themselves wouldn't learn very much about primitive civilizations that become advanced , if they just showed up and gave us all or part of their technology. It would deprive them of a prime opportunity to watch us develop the technology for ourselves.

I think its important for Humans to solve Human problems, I don't think that Aliens have the right or the obligation to save us from ourselves. To me that doesn't make sense.

About 2012, Dec. 22 '12 is the last day of the Mayan calender. Everyone needs to realize that the Mayan calender is much different than the calenders we use today. We think of time as being a linear thing, but the Mayan calender is a rotating calender . It is like a giant gear with little smaller and smaller gears(Calenders) attached to it , so to say that the end date is Dec. 22 '12 is really a misconception because there is no ending to a circle.

So more accurately the Mayan Long Count calender resets itself on Dec. 22 '2012, it isn't like there isn't a Dec. 23 '2012. It just means that Dec. 23 '2012 is the first time in 5,000 years that the Long Count Calender begins to repeat previously used Day, Month , and Year Name combinations to give a day a name.



posted on Nov, 8 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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I'm tempted to go with Jeremiah25's take on this. I would add......

It is said that any other civilisation with the ability to travel to another civilisation is far more technologically advanced than us by default. Couple this to the probability that given the state of play peace/conflict-wise on the Earth with OUR current tech', they would likely be more spiritually evolved than us as well (- not that difficult, eh?). Otherwise they would have destroyed themselves. So they would have transcended any NEED to conquer other worlds, since they understand that we All are One.

I wager that it will never happen - either we destroy ourselves, wake up (we'd better hurry!!!), or pray to be RESCUED from ourselves by aliens! - are there any more options?........




posted on Nov, 8 2005 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by awake
I'm tempted to go with Jeremiah25's take on this. I would add......

It is said that any other civilisation with the ability to travel to another civilisation is far more technologically advanced than us by default.

Unless they do not use technology, maybe they have a natural ability to space-travel like birds can fly? But I agree with you that if they use technology, it is far beyond anything we have. On the other hand, it is just as possible that we have certain technologies that they don't have simply because they never deemed necessary to go in that particular technological direction for whatever reason. For example, they may be a million years ahead of us, but never had a TV set in their entire existance. Technology is not necessarily a "linear" thing where everyone goes through the same types of technologies. They may never have developed many of the technologies we developed for our own reasons, and as thus, although they can space travel, their technology may be so foreign as to be incomprehensible to us. We may not even realise it is technology.

I guess in a certain sense like a TV set would be to a house fly that is sitting on it. Perhaps our entire planet is just a giant computer of some sort? Or maybe it is a piece of technology as well, not a computer, but also nothing that we could even compare it to or even have a concept of, and cannot even conceive?



Couple this to the probability that given the state of play peace/conflict-wise on the Earth with OUR current tech', they would likely be more spiritually evolved than us as well (- not that difficult, eh?).

What is "spiritually evolved"? Spirituality may not even be a concept to them. Have you ever seen the Borg from Star Trek? Fictional sure, but my point is, there are different ways to intelligent life forms to evolve, and "spirituality" does not have to be a coherent concept to them. I think all possibilities exist.



Otherwise they would have destroyed themselves.

Not necessarily. What if they realised that a group is always more powerful than single individuals, and thus formed a hierarchy and stuck to it? Kinda like fascist nations, or gangs, where certain individual drives are sacrificed to strengthen the group, which can usually accomplish much more than any individual can alone. It works as long as everyone gets a piece of the pie, the spoils and plunder of war and destruction of "enemies" and "victims". Lots of inner conflict sure, but total destruction is not necessarily the outcome. Perhaps ultimately, but not necessarily before they reach a level of awareness and a level of technology that is far beyond our own.



So they would have transcended any NEED to conquer other worlds, since they understand that we All are One.

I think there is no "need" to conquer other worlds for anyone, it is a want not a need. And this want can exist no matter whether you understand that we are all one or not. I may understand it, but it doesn't make me any different by itself unless I CHOOSE to be. And this would be true for anyone else. No matter how well you understand this concept of unity at the highest level of reality, it does not by itself prevent you from being selfish and attempting to gain power and control over others. Because as long as that choice exists, someone will make it. And selfishness or altruism were never choices based on logic, just personal preference. So even if we ARE all one at the highest level, it does not mean we can't try to control each other anyway.



I wager that it will never happen - either we destroy ourselves, wake up (we'd better hurry!!!), or pray to be RESCUED from ourselves by aliens! - are there any more options?........


Well the other option is that we do not destroy ourselves but advance to become a highly-advanced race of beings that forms a hierarchy and controls/feeds on other, weaker races (once we have the capability to find them). Until then we keep feeding on each other, as we already are. I think it is highly likely that MOST of us will be destroyed in the next few years due to natural cataclysms, cometary bombardments, war, and other more "alien" ways. But not necessarily every last one of us. And it would be interesting what sort of existance those who remain will choose. I think the possibility exists that a strong Hitler-like leader may emerge who successfully unifies the remaining humans under a totalitarian absolute control hierarchy, and does so with deception, threats, and false promises (the tried and true methods of course!).

Or maybe the other extreme would happen, and the remaining humanity chooses a more loving and cooperative existance based on truth, not lies and corrupt hierarchies. Either way, I think we could go either way, and whatever we choose, it may become much more "extreme" than it is right now. So if we went down the self-serving path, we may become extremely advanced and powerful and use that power for selfish purposes. And yes we can destroy one another entirely, but that is not a guarantee. Or we can use that power for non-selfish purposes, or at least not AS selfish...



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 12:47 AM
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this is my first post here, but my thought is we cannot advance spiritaly or of a higher intelligence because we fixcate on technology and not on the big picture (whatever that is cause we dont know yet) if you really think about it if we are one mind, one body tv's and ext... come from our minds and maybe there a tunnel to tell future events and past? dont know just talking lol sorry if this is a stupid post



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 02:40 AM
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auctaneX0- I think to a point we can evolve from technology as we learn from it. However any thought of something not possible is locked in so many people that "x" can't happen so if we as souls connected maybe it can't happen well not fast anyway. I like to look at the study they did with power or prayer how they had real results yet what if this "power" is actually within each of us and not up above. Not saying there is no god or souls in another dimension but compare it to levitation I have seen some scientific proven cases of this and you can see one on wikipedia as well. So if you have a few people in a room all with belief they can levitate a person and it happens now hold this true for anything it would need to evolve of course but maybe we have slept on such powers for ages. Maybe for good reason to as this could cause serious chaos and if used for bad reasons well obvious..

Also the post that mentioned how we have made up Gods over the ages well if aliens created us than who created them not thereself. With that said if aliens have bad intentions I belive my preominition is real as is connected with the above. If all our souls/minds can create something when we all believe something the evolution of an alien could be by ours minds in belief. My premonition involved the first Gov or Nasa guy seeing an alien here or in space in total fear you can hallucinate but with fear of more than one person can the hullicination actually create a being of sort like a demon or ghost etc. If so they gov person sees this and another and so on. This goes hand in hand with the reports I have seen that US officals in these "black" departments have a problem with telepathy with these beings. If this is true it could also be created out of fear. If these "beings" really run the show in these places as of Dulce and area 51 it would be a form of possession/control of a demonic force per se. So just like anything evil can evolve. If in of the stories online are true about aliens on the moon,in US underground ases etc than maybe my premonitition can hold true as well. My end thought was end of the worls scenario where we virtualy create a judgement day you either submit to these aliens and now very evil government or you tell them to buzz off you refuse to be part of anything of the such thus siding with good or evil. Well my preomonition could be hogwash but only time will tell...

In relation I find the merlin or is it merlyn software that is used by the pentagon to show large happenings between this month and next and also I belive the range of 2010-2012


If stastical data/numerology is worth a damn I guess between November 9-10-11-2005. And Jan 2010 based on my values/research.

I guess if my "guess" is correct I will post details if not oh well looked to deep on this one...


Originally posted by veritas 7
With all the talk surrounding this particular date, and it's meaning, i have read that this is the year, 22 december 2012, apparently that the final alien invasion will occur on earth.

I say "final" because, we are, or, have been supposedly, already been invaded already!

Does anyone have more info on this particular date, and the alien invasion, and has anybody heard THIS before?


[edit on 9-11-2005 by japike]



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 04:49 AM
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I think ”invasion” is the wrong word to use, but that’s just my opinion. ”Official introduction” is the way I’d put it, when the general public will get all the proof they ever needed from the aliens themselves.

When people speculate about the extraterrestrials they always (with few exceptions) do it from a human point of view. It’s an extremely natural thing to do but you might not find out the truth. Some people mentioned ”spirituality” and that’s indeed an interesting point. Otherwise it’s popular to focus only on other races technological advantage.

A lot of you would propably agree that humanity (presumably the industrialised part) has gained a lot of knowledge and awareness of our world and our relationship to it/each other in the last 100 years. Aliens are usually not portrayed to be hundreds of years ahead of us, but rather thousands or millions of years ahead of us. Both technologically and spiritually. In my opinion spiritual human persons are more at peace with themselves and their lifes. They don’t usually start wars, they’re not aggressive and they tend to respect other people. Our prisons are not filled with spiritual persons. I’m eventually trying to make a point.

Aliens have most likely been visiting us throughout all our history. If they simply wanted to get rid of us we would have been dead and buried since long. That’s not very likely then. If they want us for slaves, that wouldn’t be a future threat, as much as a reality since hundreds or thousands of years. Personally I don’t have much to complain about if that was the case. If this is what it’s like being a slave, it’s not that bad. I do, however, consider this unlikely too. If that was the case they would hardly let us evolve and advance as a rase, which is what we’re continually doing. I also have a problem figuring out what kind of ”work” we’re doing for them. It beats me. I would also rule out the possibility of us being food or such. You honastly don’t hear about that many people disappearing or being eaten. They would sure have to be on a slim diet.

My conlusion is that the logical answer is that there’s nothing to fear from the aliens. Fear would not do you any good anyway. We are at their mercy, but I’m absolutely positive that they have a lot more respect for their different neigbours in the universe and the importance of each races free will than the respect we have for each other here on earth. I see no logical reason to fear anything from the aliens, or evidence thereof.

If the introduction will be in 2012 or not I couldn’t say, but I bet we’ll get quite a few hinters before the big day. When the time comes I just hope humanity is mature enough to take care of our long way visitors in a proper and respectable manner. I have my doubts though…



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by veritas 7
With all the talk surrounding this particular date, and it's meaning, i have read that this is the year, 22 december 2012, apparently that the final alien invasion will occur on earth.

I say "final" because, we are, or, have been supposedly, already been invaded already!

Does anyone have more info on this particular date, and the alien invasion, and has anybody heard THIS before?


But, then one might speculate that ETs are coming in 2012 to save some of us poor helpless humans (I’ll speak for myself...'
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) from 'Armagedon @ Our Doorstep’ - estimated time of arrival 9:15 a.m. EDT on June 1, 2014!
Ah speculation, speculation turned ‘spectacular speculation’!!…of course, how many of us are in a ‘need to' or 'ability to know’ position?






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posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 07:23 AM
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In the original H.G Wells novel The War of the Worlds (1896) The martian fighting machines actually do use a kind of pestacide refered to as 'the black smoke'.



Heres a nice early illustration by Correa, showing the tripods holding the black smoke launchers.



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 08:22 AM
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Oh man good point..
You made me think of the minutemen in Texas. Just look how most Americans treat Mexicans heh. Well I guess since the government can benefit from Aliens they get free greencards :Z


Originally posted by Highflyer
If the introduction will be in 2012 or not I couldn’t say, but I bet we’ll get quite a few hinters before the big day. When the time comes I just hope humanity is mature enough to take care of our long way visitors in a proper and respectable manner. I have my doubts though…



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by veritas 7
With all the talk surrounding this particular date, and it's meaning, i have read that this is the year, 22 december 2012, apparently that the final alien invasion will occur on earth.

I say "final" because, we are, or, have been supposedly, already been invaded already!

Does anyone have more info on this particular date, and the alien invasion, and has anybody heard THIS before?



The last time i've heard it was 2013, but don't care about the date,what i care about right now is how their forces keep rising, and what's their weakness! Veintas, do u have this info?



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 01:16 PM
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I say if, IF, there is an alien invasion from space, then surrender to them.

According to other prophesies, whatever comes from the sky, or the 'heavens' is supposed to from our creator and are supposed to free us from some sort of world-wide control, also known as the NWO or what many think the anti-christ will be.

REV 19
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself. 13 He is clad in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses. 15 From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.


To me, anything that comes from the heavens, or sky, is going to save us from our worst enemy - ourselves.



posted on Nov, 10 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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I don't have any particular, or specific info, but a reasonable amount of knowledge, and research, that this particular date/time, could well be the "Alien invasion"/Revealment, to the worlds population.



posted on Nov, 10 2005 @ 03:37 PM
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I didn't see it posted in any of the replies.

Simply put the Chinese and (I belive) Mayan Calendars don't go beyond the year 2012. Just look for the Chinese Horoscope symbol beyond 2012. You wont find it.

So many novelists and Sci-Fi writers have run with that basic information and run a whole slew of Armegeddon ideas behind it. There is virtually nothing to support these ideas or theories beyond imagination. Neither the Chinese or the Mayans indicated the reason for it. No one knows why those calanders stop at 2012. Still kind of freaky cooincidence.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 01:32 PM
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Simply put the Chinese and (I belive) Mayan Calendars don't go beyond the year 2012.
No one knows why those calanders stop at 2012. Still kind of freaky cooincidence.


There is plenty to check out about the significance of 2012 though, I don't know of it being an 'armaggedon' thing, but certainly lots of different people have it down as a very important year for some reason(s). From what I can gather, it marks the end/beginning of a significant cycle of 13,000 years involving the Sun's output (perhaps not the 'end of the world'?). It is the end of the 5th Sun - the start of the 6th.

There is a lot of significant stuff around this date, astrologically/celestially etc. Check it out in the Library/on the Internet - something IS going on with this, y'know?



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 06:15 PM
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What if they are just offspring of a human civilisation that escaped the Earth because a global disaster, and will return because some things will happen wich we cant solve ourselves, such as tsunamis etc etc and comets...
It will all increase and happen faster and faster because with every day, week, month and year we come closer to the scientificly proved alignment on 21 december 2012..



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman

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I think its important for Humans to solve Human problems, I don't think that Aliens have the right or the obligation to save us from ourselves. To me that doesn't make sense.



They do have that obligation if we are just a simple experiment of theirs.
If we do experiments on mice or other animals, and they develop into beings that can cause trouble for us humans, maybe they carry a dangerous virus that can be picked up by humans, maybe they become intelligent and act in a way they can harm humans..what do we humans do then? we destroy them.. its our obligation to other humans..

So...if we are an experiment, we became intelligent and we can form a danger to them who created us, why wouldnt they destroy us?

We place weapons in space, we can blow up our planet with nukes and that will affect at least our milky way and maybe even further into the universe they would suffer effects of it...
Then they MUST destroy us, it is their obligation to their people to keep them safe and take action if the experiment goes wrong and gets outta hand... and right now, it is really getting out of hand, i dont know if we are an experiment, but what i do know is that we impose danger to other planets and thats prolly why they come to Earth.

But the question is then that if we are an experiment, and we evolved into creatures with intelligence and feelings etc etc, would their government or whatever leads them, give them permission to destroy the experiment or would they try to help us live in peace and stop being a threat to others?

Also note the UFO activity raised through the roof since we invented Nuke's



posted on Mar, 6 2006 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Dutch_Rick
They do have that obligation if we are just a simple experiment of theirs.


Well if WE are an experiment, then the nature of the experiment can make all the difference. What if the experiment is "how long will it take them to destroy themselves?" Or "can we create false religions and other realities for billions of intelligent beings and maintain them in this illusion indefinitely?"




If we do experiments on mice or other animals, and they develop into beings that can cause trouble for us humans, maybe they carry a dangerous virus that can be picked up by humans, maybe they become intelligent and act in a way they can harm humans..what do we humans do then? we destroy them.. its our obligation to other humans..

It's not our "Obligation" though, it's just something we do. Some people destroy other humans, some nations make it their obligation to destroy other nations. Anything can become an obligation! So you cannot really assume that those who experiment on us are in any way benevolent, and in fact, the very fact that they'd be violating our free will to do some experiments suggests that their nature is self-serving, which means, anything goes! We have animal rights groups, human rights groups, etc. But that was not always the case!



So...if we are an experiment, we became intelligent and we can form a danger to them who created us, why wouldnt they destroy us?

Well that's a tough question. If we are an experiment, it means our free will is being violated, we're not in control of our existance. And only self-serving beings violate free will of others - because this implies putting your needs and wants over others. And if those beings are self serving, that means when their life becomes threatened, and they have to make a choice between killing us to preserve themselves or allowing us to kill them, the choice would logically be - kill us, save themselves. So it makes sense that they would destroy us IF we presented any sort of danger to them.

However, the only danger animals present to humans at this point is a possibility of some transmittable disease. We're not afraid of being eaten by a bunch of pissed off lions (well on rare occasions individual people are unfortunate enough to.. be eaten. I mean we as a human race). And perhaps similarly, no matter how intelligent we become, we may possibly still pose no threat to our "creators" or "experimenters", simply because THEIR form of existance may be so much above ours that our technology, that is based on our limited perspective of reality, is in no way a threat. Consider that those beings may be hyperdimentional, exist without time and space, and other similar possibilities. We can't even get out of our solar system, we're like rats in a bucket at this point!

But I agree, IF we ever become a threat to any self-serving race of beings (like ourselves), they'll always choose to preserve their existance over ours, simply due to their natures.



We place weapons in space, we can blow up our planet with nukes and that will affect at least our milky way and maybe even further into the universe they would suffer effects of it...
Then they MUST destroy us, it is their obligation to their people to keep them safe and take action if the experiment goes wrong and gets outta hand...


Well maybe, or maybe not! Consider that many people on earth feel absolutely NO obligation towards their own people, very often this includes governments as well. They certainly ACT all nice and friendly but won't hesitate to kill and step over corpses to get to the top - sacrifice their fellow humans for their own greedy and selfish purposes. So keeping people "safe" is something governments give lots of lip service to, but historically, didn't mind slaughtering people left and right when they had the urge.




and right now, it is really getting out of hand, i dont know if we are an experiment, but what i do know is that we impose danger to other planets and thats prolly why they come to Earth.

Well if they have the technology to come to earth, I think it is improbable that we pose a danger to them no matter what we do. But also, consider possibility of other realities, other universes, dimentions, etc. We're still just babies, very foolish, mechanical, ignorant, materialistic, presumptuous, arrogant... babies.



But the question is then that if we are an experiment, and we evolved into creatures with intelligence and feelings etc etc, would their government or whatever leads them, give them permission to destroy the experiment or would they try to help us live in peace and stop being a threat to others?


We don't need help living in peace though! We just aren't interested! Actually, the majority of people are interested, but they are so easily manipulated by their governments, their religious leaders, corporate interests, etc.. that they end up thinking they have no choice but to go kill a bunch of other people, that it's somehow necessary. I think that help is nice, but in the end, all it takes is to STOP being gullible, naive, easily manipulated, egocentric, arrogant, materialistic, etc. In other words, self-serving - though service to self takes different "flavors" if you will. Some become conscious manipulating masters, governments, tyrants, etc. Others become gullible slaves who simply take the "easy way out" and just believe their leaders hoping they won't be lied to or lead into wars for greedy interests of the rich and powerful. That wishful thinking is also a self-serving feature of the "common folk" that gets them into crap, always has throughout history.



Also note the UFO activity raised through the roof since we invented Nuke's


What if we're a cosmic reality show? Nukes must've increased our ratings, which in turn increased the funds given to the show, which increased the complexity of the set, the number of camera crews, etc! Ah it all makes sense now!

[edit on 6-3-2006 by lilblam]





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