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Originally posted by NEOAMADEUS
A fairly simple question, and one which comes up alot, but no answers are forthcoming from believers that make any sense.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Originally posted by spamandham
So dragons and pacman, can I surmise from your posts that you view baptism to be necessary for salvation? If not, then what is its purpose? If the purpose is merely ceremonial, then why did Jesus do it?
Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
Yes, that is exactly what I believe. Even though Jesus had no sin, he still had to be baptised for that reason.
Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
Jesus was baptised because it is necessary to enter the kingdom of God. Baptism would have washed away his sins, if he had had any, but he didn't. Jesus was setting an example to all Christians, so that they would know that baptism was something they needed to do.
Originally posted by spamandham
So then justification is through faith + baptism?
helen670
posted on 9/22/2005 at 04:33 AM Post Number: 1701842 (post id: 1723735)
BaastetNoir
Jesus was baptized so that everyone could see he was telling the truth about who he was. Only when Jesus was baptized did the Holy SPirit came and showed himself to everyone who was present.
Thank you!
Simple and without quotes.
IX
helen
Mahree
posted on 9/24/2005 at 12:47 PM Post Number: 1707192 (post id: 1729085)
"His eternal messianic consecration was revealed during the time of his earthly life at the moment of his baptism by John, when "God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power," "that he might be revealed to Israel" as its Messiah. His works and words will manifest him as "the Holy One of God."
Originally posted by NEOAMADEUS
Hi Mahree:
Your quote about being "annointed" (i.e. Meshia'q or Messiah'd) at the baptism smacks of a heresy called "Arian Adoptionism." Did you know that?
Manifesting His kenosis, Christ cleansed His own body in water not because of His sinfulness but because He was “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29, 36; cf. Ephrem, NH 2; John Chrysostom, Bapt. 2, PG 49.366). Thus He acknowledged the importance of the Old Testament which He came to fulfil. Moreover, water itself was purified of the infection of the sins and defilements washed in it. Because of them it was called the habitat of the devil (Psalm 73:13-14; 103:26; Gregory Nazianzen, Or. 39.16.15-16: “the devil is king living in the waters”). By entering the waters of the Jordan, Christ purified and blessed this element for our baptismal purification (cf. Gregory Nazianzen, Or. 38.16; Or. 39.15; Ephrem, EH 9. refrain).