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posted on Sep, 9 2003 @ 11:42 AM
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I just found this one..seems to contradict?

www.kingcountyjournal.com...




posted on Sep, 9 2003 @ 11:45 AM
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I think that last one is just disinformation...



posted on Sep, 9 2003 @ 11:58 AM
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posted on Sep, 9 2003 @ 07:03 PM
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I also noticed this article on CNN today. I was interested in it since I am currently reading Nick Cook's book "The Hunt For Zero Point....." www.amazon.com...=pd_sxp_f/102-9455184-0652125?v=glance&s=books


It is a fascinating read so far, although I do not care too much for Nick's writing style. He tends to go on and on and many of his run-on sentences are over a paragraph in length. Other than that it is a good read.



posted on Sep, 9 2003 @ 10:52 PM
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You apparently havent dont a great deal of research on the subject then, have you?


Obviously you haven't either or you would have actually added something to the discussion. I suppose some people must take digs at others to cover their own ego. Oh well.

Never the less, you are correct. And there really is no point to research it further since it wouldn't do me or anyone else a bit of good. If I did find the secret (which is doubtful) I would either be co-opted or dead, my choice. So I'm happy to skim the intellectual ocean and leave the rest for when it's actually useful.


"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar..."



posted on Sep, 10 2003 @ 08:13 AM
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Plodnetkov's results have been explained also in terms of bouyance. His experimental procedures were faulty. They have been refuted in scientific literature. If anyone's interested I'll look up the exact papers again..



posted on Sep, 10 2003 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by phroydnslp

You apparently havent dont a great deal of research on the subject then, have you?


Obviously you haven't either or you would have actually added something to the discussion. I suppose some people must take digs at others to cover their own ego. Oh well.

Never the less, you are correct. And there really is no point to research it further since it wouldn't do me or anyone else a bit of good. If I did find the secret (which is doubtful) I would either be co-opted or dead, my choice. So I'm happy to skim the intellectual ocean and leave the rest for when it's actually useful.


"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar..."


*ahem*

Read this thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You were saying?



posted on Sep, 10 2003 @ 09:02 AM
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So what was the reason for saying that? I thought this was an open forum for open minded individuals. Was I wrong? If your intent was to pick a word fight, I'm not here for that. Not that I couldn't do battle but I see it as pointless and a waste.



posted on Sep, 10 2003 @ 10:12 AM
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If you had bothered to read the thread I posted, it goes back to a thread I put together in May, with a very large amount of concise information, regarding exactly how this technology came about and functions.

But, oh well, it doesnt work, right? Just because you dont think so, and didnt bother to post any refuting evidence?



posted on Sep, 10 2003 @ 06:12 PM
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I've just spent an hour reading that thread. There's some very interesting reading there, thanks!

(but the videos of a toy ufo on string are a bit suspicious
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posted on Sep, 11 2003 @ 10:06 AM
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i saw this show on sci-fi channel a few months ago,
and this guy i cant remember his name worked at groom lake
and he claimed to see alien craft in the hanger and saw its test flight...he was an engineer and he explained how it`s propulsion worked!
somthing to nature of:
in the bottom center of the disc are 3 main magnetic engines of some sort, and their aimed at an element not known to man,
"element 153" i beleive it was!
this element alone rewrites everything we have come to beleive supposedly, he campared it to our nuclear power(wich is an unstable element) he claimed this unknown element "occurres" later than plutonium and is like nuclear power but it IS stable...153 occurres again at like 200somthing ???
but then he said, "two of the engines are pointed down (for lift) and the third is for thrust" and this method of flying used against a magnetic field like the earth "makes an effect of rolling down a hill....INFINATELY"
also some area`s of earths crust are denser than others making distortion of the earths gravity, intern low/slow flight for these crafts are extremely unstable



posted on Sep, 12 2003 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by dragonrider
If you had bothered to read the thread I posted, it goes back to a thread I put together in May, with a very large amount of concise information, regarding exactly how this technology came about and functions.

But, oh well, it doesnt work, right? Just because you dont think so, and didnt bother to post any refuting evidence?



Ok, I'm just not following you. I didn't refute your evidence. I'm also not saying it doesn't work. How bout this, hats off to some darn good clear evidence. Mine was just a tidbit story that's probably bogus anyway. Either way I can't see it mattering that much since neither of us can prove or disprove any evidence. Maybe you can send it to futurehorizons.net... and they could work on it. If they get shut down without a word you know your stuff works.



posted on Sep, 12 2003 @ 01:06 AM
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Qlone,

That man who allegedly worked at S-4 inside Area 51 was likely named Robert "Bob" Lazar. He claimed to have earned a doctorate in physics and also claimed to have worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory. Yet, no records of his professional existence could ever be found-- only records from when he attended a university as an undergraduate (if I recall correctly, may have been the doctorate itself). My guess is that Lazar is a witting or unwitting programming subject. His stories amaze the intellectuals while also communicating with our enemies subversively.

However, I could be wrong.

In terms of the anti-gravity propulsion, I do not have a doctorate in physics
However in terms of keeping secrets about the technology, I'm sure that the government has plenty of esoteric propulsion systems. Think about this.

Slightly before F-117A's were publically shown for the first time, there were floods of UFO reports of strange almost silent black triangular craft. And then you have this quite bizarre looking plane unveiled.

If the government is willing to release this plane to the attention of the WORLD, they've just compromised national security to a degree. The US has plenty of enemies who are always willing to take a free "leg up".

To prevent this, our government must keep secrets to protect our national security. I have to admit it is a logical argument, at least to me. This does not mean I am defending the cover-ups and disinformation. Instead, the cover-ups and disinformation are fodder for our skills of thought and research.

People have been seeing these new anti-gravs for quite some time. I suspect that they are housed underground in various installations around the world. And now we see a CNN news article about anti-grav being a legitimate technology (at least as defined by Boeing).

I wonder what kinds of crazy things they are REALLY keeping secret? Makes my head spin just thinking about it LOL



posted on Sep, 13 2003 @ 03:28 PM
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Anti grav is one of the top three things which I am looking for to come out of the closed. That is after first place in my top 3: the discovery of Extraterrestials.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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I think bob lazar was partially right.

I don't think he worked directly on the "Sport Model" which is the UFO he claimed to have helped back engineer at S-4.

I think he was an agent of partial disclosure. his ideas make a lot of sense if you subscribe to the T T Brown theories and the pantheon of electrogravetitics.

Bob makes a lot of claims that don't make sense unless you look at them from a electrogravetic perspective.

For instance. he claims that gravity is part of the microwave spectrum. Electrogravetics claims that microwaves and super high voltage effect gravity, but that gravity is still gravity and largely a mystery.

He claims that the reactor inside the "sport Model" when turned on had a repulsive effect where one could bounce golf balls off of it. he goes on to say that gravity waves are then transmitted to the outside of the craft using a wave guide. gravity won't adhere to the waveguide in real life but microwaves will. could the reactor really be a mazar like device and the wave guide a microwave guide.

He says that atoms have a gravitational field that extends beyond the electron shell in sufficiently heavy atoms. Electrogravetics says that mostly atoms have a nuetral electric charge but that some will have a nucleus that will allow a positive charged field to extend beyond the electron shell.

Bob says that the "sport Model" had three gravity amplifiers and that they were connected to three gravity lenses. Electrogravetics says that one can amplify electricity and then use that juice to power gravitator like devices that basically are like gravitiy guns in the way that they can project some kind of electrogravetic field like a laser and create localized effects away from the device. could the gravity lenses be these devices instead. and , instead of using those beams to triangulate to focus on a place in space to stretch the space to the ship, the electrogravetic guns focus on a location in space creating a gravity well in which to fall into.

Alot of what bob says makes sense from an electrogravetic perspective. he could have misunderstood how the ship worked or was misinformed and never directly worked on the ship. or he knows exactly how it works and is changing the recipe a little to not totally give away the crafts secrets but is tacitly pointing towards a electrogravetic answer.

also I doubt element 115 has anything to do with anything on the vessel since I don't believe the reactor is an antimatter reactor but some sort of maser like device. the waveguide is a dead giveaway.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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It is standard disinformation to release a source (maybe Lazar) with misleading statements with just enough new facts to intrigue. The options are to either create and elaborate cover or no cover at all. It has been common in the last 20 years to create sources with no cover because it has become too easy to debunk even a fake legend (cover).

"S4" is only one of many installations with hangars with elevator floors and multiple lower levels. Do I have photos or links, no, sorry, I don't (ignore me if you choose), but I can tell you that even as a habu pilot with an extremely high level clearance, I have been in many hangars where I was required to be escorted in and out of the hangar with access ONLY to my aircraft. Interestingly enough, even "Broken Arrow" (a nuclear accident) did not allow access to the hangar.........

Just observations.......

edit for spelling

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posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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Habu,

you and I are on the same page with this topic I believe. although I have never been a pilot especially not the venerable Habu. which is a kick ass nickname. habu deadly viper found in japan right?

"remember that when you hear those sonic booms that are rattling your house that that is the sound of freedom" (paraphrased)




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posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by heelstone

Originally posted by TheBandit795
They should disclose and unveil the Tr-3b in order to solve NASA's dilemma.


Heh. NASA is so very much just a cover story for what is really going on in aerospace technology. I bet everybody who "works" there hates having to put up with the facade of primitive rocketry with miniscule advancements. Whenever the guts are spilled on the TR-3B and all the other technology available, NASA will probably cease to exist and just be absorbed into whatever ultra-tech space group is really running the show.


Was it Mr. Northrop him self who said, in reference to all the sci-fi movies such as star wars, etc. "We've been there, done that." There is also Gary McKinnons Claims one should not so easily dismiss.

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posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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Hi,

I think you are paraphrasing Ben Rich of Skunkworks.

Thanks,
M



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:44 PM
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Habu,

I have always been interested in how a person gets 'selected' for a specific airframe. I can understand some of it has to do with which service you elect to enlist in but I can imagine everyone in flight school standing up and saying, I want to pilot the blackbird.

Does the pilot select or are you selected? Is there a washout program? Do you end up flying a P3 if you don't make the cut? Is nearly everything done via simulators now? Does a personality profile influence as much as or more than your technical skill?

Seeing that your bird was 'offically' decommed about 20 years ago, what do you fly next? Or is it mandatory retirement?

Thanks in advance for any insight into the process you can give.

M

OP, if you think this derails your thread please tell me so I can use u2u instead.



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