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Any Bush Supporters among the British?

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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 09:25 PM
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First of all, this is probably my first post on this board since i'm usually not very interested in politics.

But I'd like to know the opinion of most brits on Bush, I know the vast majority hate his guts, but are there any of you out there that think he is doing a decent job?

Personally i'm with the majority of the brits on this one, I don't like Dubya




posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 01:40 AM
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Well, as you asked, I think he's a moron. His govt seems to be being run for the benefit of a few rich cronies and large corporations while your constitutional rights are being gradually eroded.

This man being the leader of the most powerful country in the world just seems like some kind of joke the rest of us haven't got yet. Hopefully he won't ---- things up too badly for you in the few years he has left.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 08:45 AM
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A man with the intellect of Bush wouldn't have even got elected to parliament in the UK. He would have been torn apart in debate, his financial interests would have been cruelly exposed and his intelligence,or lack of it, would have been laid bare for all to see.

How do I feel ?

I feel sorry for Americans but hey! you elected him so I guess you deserve him.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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John bull 1- I didn't vote for him, not that it made any difference. Sadly I think the ballot box is under the control of Diebold. I know we're screwed, but I don't think the American people, as a whole, deserve him. We are going to have to get off our lazy ___ and figure out away to get rid of him, and make major changes in our government. Not looking for pity-just understanding. I am glad when the rest of the world speaks up though. Maybe some of the sheep will realize the shepherd is a rabid wolf.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 11:11 AM
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My inlaws voted for them last 2004 to my great distaste, the ONLY thing that I liked that he did is not renew the Assault Weapons Ban in the US so I can buy more features on my rifles legally now, but that's not really that great, i'd rather see socialized health care...



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
I feel sorry for Americans but hey! you elected him so I guess you deserve him.


Just as I feel sorry for you British that disdain your current PM, Mr. Blair, and yet you elected him back into office so I guess you deserve him, as well? What a pity.






seekerof

[edit on 19-9-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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There are some pro-Bush British ATS members, I think MickeyDee is one.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
A man with the intellect of Bush wouldn't have even got elected to parliament in the UK. He would have been torn apart in debate, his financial interests would have been cruelly exposed and his intelligence,or lack of it, would have been laid bare for all to see.

How do I feel ?

I feel sorry for Americans but hey! you elected him so I guess you deserve him.


In the passed I would have agreed with you, but now the real 'Hard hitters such as Tony Benn have left Office, died or been pushed out of the party.

Blair would get a knew one ripped to him by a half-decent MP but they've all gone...



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by John bull 1
I feel sorry for Americans but hey! you elected him so I guess you deserve him.


Just as I feel sorry for you British that disdain your current PM, Mr. Blair, and yet you elected him back into office so I guess you deserve him, as well? What a pity.



Big difference Seeker.


Blair only got elected with around 20% of the available vote.

80% either didn't vote or voted against him.

So don't think Blair had a ringing endorsement from the electorate in the UK. It is only the vageries of our electoral system that gave him power.

Those who disdain Blair are actually in a considerable majority we're not a small group of loonies on the fringe.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 03:44 PM
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me? bush supporter?

well, if i supported corruption, imperialism,lies and poor leadership..

then yes!



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
Blair only got elected with around 20% of the available vote.

80% either didn't vote or voted against him.

So don't think Blair had a ringing endorsement from the electorate in the UK.


- To tell you the truth I think this is a silly game, regularly played out by supporters of the losing side (Diebold being the deeply worrying exception in this particular mix).

You can play that game with the USA too.

Approx 50% of those elligible to vote (which is nothing like half of the actual US population over 18; so many, rightly or wrongly, have no 'right' to vote) don't vote.

Bush scrapped in by just over 50% of those that did vote.


It is only the vageries of our electoral system that gave him power.


- You will find this works with many post 1970 UK election wins too.

It isn't the "vageries" of the electoral system, in this case it was entirely down to people not being ars*d enough to go out and vote.

This is not always a sign of anything like great public displeasure, although a low turnout is indeed a worry, given that the world and his wife knew Labour would walk the last election very comfortably.

In view of a reasonably wide general level of contentment in the UK (let's not let the countryside alliance and their tory chums pretend the public mood was anything remotely like 1997, hmmm?), it is not necessarily a sign of anything negative.

It is true that 'the people not coming out to vote' is a 'message' too, however interpreting that message needn't always be taken as a negative.


Those who disdain Blair are actually in a considerable majority we're not a small group of loonies on the fringe.


- No.
You can't do that.
Just because the people didn't actively vote for Labour you cannot 'claim' their allegiance or label the result and the people like that.

Afterall you could play that game with all the parties and their leaders, they got even less 'active support' and by this arguement have even greater numbers of the public against them.

It is a non-logical nonsense.

As for me being a dub-ya supporter?
You must be joking.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 11:40 PM
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(Borrowing some of Kim Jong-Il rhetoric here)

Your illiterate European socialist propaganda against our Dear Leader is no more than barking at the moon!

[edit on 9/20/2005 by djohnsto77]



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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We were asked the question djohnsto77. that is all.

Who is propagandising?



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 11:35 AM
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Bush is a strategicly shaved chimp forced into a suit and taught not to fling his poo at the walls.

Perfect leader for a superpower really...



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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delete, i can't be bothered to answer back



[edit on 20-9-2005 by infinite]



posted on Sep, 21 2005 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Bush is a strategicly shaved chimp forced into a suit and taught not to fling his poo at the walls.

Perfect leader for a superpower really...


Funny you say that, there was a documentary on the national geographic channel I was watching about chimps and they seem to be very much into violence. They enjoy picking on other male chimps in their own territory and beating the crap out of them. They also enjoy creating fights. First thing I thought of when I saw that and stat of 98.5% of our dna matches theirs, was bush.



posted on Sep, 21 2005 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
the ONLY thing that I liked that he did is not renew the Assault Weapons Ban in the US so I can buy more features on my rifles legally now, but that's not really that great, i'd rather see socialized health care...


To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson..' It is the duty of every American to overthrow tyrrany when he is confronts it'. Thanks to Bush, now every American has the means of doing that just that.

I was, at one time, being swayed by the anti gun lobby. However, I once again realize that by having a free and well armed populace, the people have the ultimate say in things political. The people are the ultimate "checks and balances" of the American political system.



posted on Sep, 21 2005 @ 11:49 PM
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I truly believe in the idea that militia's can take over the state if the government becomes corrupt.

This is probably not possible in Europe since very few people own weapons and can only be used in closed ranged or hunting grounds.

The latter is usually only for the wealthy.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 10:58 PM
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As a yank and a independent as far as I'm concerned anyone with ties to any political party will never get my vote. As far as Bush being a tyrant I haven't seen it he's just better at getting away with what he wants. Patriot act doesn't worry me I'm not checking out any library books on how to assassinate people or blow up buildings. He hasn't made a heavy push against abortion. And as mentioned before he didn't renew the assault weapons ban. As far as socialized healthcare their are alot more people against that than their are for it. And as far as stealing elections it's been happening since 1960 at least. Not saying I agree with it or even like it but as long as there are democrats, republicans or anyone who wants to win enough (plenty of people) with enough money (again)
it will happen.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 08:11 AM
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When the policial 'class' of a country 'owns' the media in the manner the current US administration does and spends as much as the USA currently does on it's military and has a military the size of that the USA does I find the notion that an armed citizenry (asault weapons or not) is ever seriously going to any kind of 'force' to stand up to and defeat a Gov gone corrupt laughable.

Sorry but I just do; I think this arguement had it's day long long ago.

[edit on 23-9-2005 by sminkeypinkey]




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