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Topic started on 17-9-2005 @ 07:00 PM by Hellmutt
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Pakistans President Pervez Musharraf has made a remark which has caused outrage all over the world. He said: "A lot of people say if you want to go
abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped". World leaders including Paul Martin have already condemned
the remarks. Amnesty International demands a public apology.
Photo: from BBC
 Scotsman: Musharraf sparks outrage with 'callous' rape remark
17 Sep 2005
OUTRAGE mounted in Pakistan yesterday over President Pervez Musharraf's comment that many Pakistanis felt that crying rape was an easy way to make
money and move abroad. World leaders including Canadian prime minister Paul Martin have already condemned the remarks made by Mr Musharraf, who is in
the United States having addressed the UN General Assembly earlier this week.
Mr Musharraf told the Washington Post that Pakistan should not be singled out on rape issues as other countries had the same problems. "You must
understand the environment in Pakistan ... This has become a money-making concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for
Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped," the Post quoted Mr Musharraf as saying.
Amnesty International said: "This callous and insulting statement requires a public apology from President Musharraf to the women of Pakistan and
especially to victims of rape." Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Musharraf should have kept his big fat mouth shut. Now he must apologise and hope that people will forget. hah. How can they ever forget this? This
remark will now forever be associated with Musharraf.
Related Links:
Amnesty International USA: Pres. Musharraf should apologize
BBC: Musharraf: 'no need to apologise'
Arab News: Musharraf Faces Flak Over Rape Remarks
CBC News: Pakistan President's comments: cry rape and go to
Canada, are condemned
Telegraph: Rape claim
condemned
Sydney Morning Herald:
Pakistan leader's rape comments offend
The Times Of India: Musharraf denies rape remark
Musharraf: 'No need to apologise' (BBC)
[edit on 2006/4/26 by Hellmutt]
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reply posted on 17-9-2005 @ 07:35 PM by britain is best
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well people seem to forget how he got into power,so they will soon forget this.
how could a leader of a country say something like that?
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reply posted on 17-9-2005 @ 07:42 PM by masqua
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I'm sorry...but I am speechless at this leaders inane comment.
Why he would say this is beyond me...it sounds like the ravings of a madman, imo.
You'd think it was easy as pie to become a millionaire in Canada...well, I've been playing the lotteries for 20 years and I still haven't broken
even.
Perhaps he's angry because so many of his countrymen have left Pakistan to come to Canada with their families in the hope of living a sane peaceful
life.
yea...that's gotta be it...
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reply posted on 17-9-2005 @ 07:58 PM by Dallas
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I'd like to suggest to my fellow ATS Members it must have been a slight-of-tongue, however Musharraf is far too intelligent for that, so I'll
suggest he's just plain wrong.
Dallas
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 12:44 AM by Daedalus3
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Why doesn't the US/west quit at this poker game calle "pakistan" while it is ahead..
I tell you, after Vietnam and IRaq, Pakistan is the USA's next biggest foreign policy botch-up..
N-Proliferation to states like NK and Iran, blatant abuse of democracy(he was supp to step down in 04'), breeding of terrorism..the list is
endless.. 
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 12:54 AM by djohnsto77
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So if I get raped, I have to move to Canada? I don't think I want to get raped then...
Becoming a millionaire sounds good though 
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 12:57 AM by intrepid
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I've been trying to get raped for over 30 years, seems like I'll become a millionaire first. DAMN.
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 01:00 AM by jra
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Go to Canada and become a millionaire? Well heck, i'm already here. Where's my money?
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 01:34 AM by djohnsto77
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Seriously, how do people who make such stupid statements become world leaders, whether elected or not? 
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 07:40 AM by Daedalus3
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You plot a coup..
and execute it..
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 07:53 AM by SkipShipman
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The level of public discourse is at the level of an IQ of 70 and below, while the industrial-Gulag everywhere has an IQ of 190 to apply to the stupid
public. That IQ is highly specialized however in making money at all costs from that general public. It is no wonder applied knowledge has become
applied stupidity.
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 07:54 AM by iamian
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i've seen him on the news this morning, he denied saying it.
edition.cnn.com...
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 07:59 AM by Tinkleflower
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Though it's incredibly ill-advised and insensitive, it's not as if he's making a suggestion...rather, he's commenting on what other people
think (if he said it at all).
 A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped 
Is he being faulted because he actually said it, or because people are mistakenly thinking he suggested or initiated the idea itself?
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 08:04 AM by Dallas
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All do respect. Could Canada be that far away from your plight? Seems to me djohnsto77, you could not be all that sure that best things are or are not
farther away from your present perch? But I still respect you !
Dallas
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 08:13 AM by Valhall
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Though it's incredibly ill-advised and insensitive, it's not as if he's making a suggestion...rather, he's commenting on what other people
think (if he said it at all).
A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped
Is he being faulted because he actually said it, or because people are mistakenly thinking he suggested or initiated the idea itself?
[edit on 18-9-2005 by Tinkleflower]
Hi Tinkleflower,
Very good points. Why I would fault him is that street talk rumors really have no place in a speech to the rest of the world who is currently looking
at the reports of systematic rape tactics taking place in your country.
His words - even though they were not stated as his own, but as heresay repeated - are the equivalent of a defendent in a rape case saying "You
should have seen how she was dressed...she was asking for it."
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reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 11:12 AM by Dasher
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people can be so shallow sometimes! maybe we should just line the earth's crust with egg shells so we can have a visual of what society is coming
to!
if someone posited that america breeds terrorism due to the terror cells that exist here and there, one would rightfully respond by saying: "it has
been said that if you hate the western world, you should move to saudi arabia and start a terrorist organization."
ALL THE GUY DID WAS POINT OUT THAT RAPES HAPPEN IN THE WEST and that his country is not alone in it's problems. further, that some people ALLOW it
to happen to themselves... simply for their own selfish gain.
yes, it was a tough remark to hear, but is it FALSE??????
society sooner excuses rapists for their actions if they are famous than listens to a realistic statement of fact. so damn shallow and sickening!!!
flame all you'd like, i promise no response.
daved
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reply posted on 19-9-2005 @ 02:55 AM by xpert11
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Just one question.
Why do people still refer to Musharraf as president?
He is a dictator probaly another Saddam in the making.
Dose the US really want to invade Pakistan in 20 years?
What is going to take to wake people up?
A reality tv show?
:pick up tv remote flicks thou the channels.:
"When good regimes go bad only on Fox central."
:puts remote down open bag of popcorn watchs Fox.:
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reply posted on 19-9-2005 @ 04:19 AM by LordBucket
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I have a silly question.
Assuming he actually said it...what was he talking about? I assume there's some event he's referring to.
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reply posted on 19-9-2005 @ 05:03 PM by brill
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Could always be worse.....could end up in the U.S. 
brill
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reply posted on 19-9-2005 @ 05:11 PM by sardion2000
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Originally posted by LordBucket
I have a silly question.
Assuming he actually said it...what was he talking about? I assume there's some event he's referring to.
Yeah I'm kind of scratching my head too. How do those that get raped in Pakistan get a Canadian visa and a million bucks? Is the penalty for rape a
big fat fine from the raper to the rapee? I'm confused.
I actually find the comment rather amusing even though it's confusing. Perhaps someone can explain it to me in a calm rational manner?
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