the precursor to HAARP at montauk, page 2

thanks for posting those screenshots derek. Now I found the GART array. I still can't get over how far it is away from the rest of the base. It's about 1.7 miles as the crow flies across the major road there not to mention it appears to be rate next to a residential area as you mentioned.


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[edit on 22-9-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

Bored at work today so I've been scanning around the east end.... get this... i've found at least what appears to be 2 other arrays. I could be wrong but from staring at the pictures I see similarities in the "poles".

The first picture is the FAA site I mentioned. Anyone who lives on the Island can go down Speonk Riverhead Road and about a 1/4 mile past Suffolk Community College you will notice a fence with a tiny red sign that says "Private Property FAA"

This array is very close by to Gabreski Airport (Home of the 106th Air Rescue Wing) and a former Air Force Base. Notice the shadows.. I count at least 8 of these "poles" not to mention what is either a doppler radar or something else. I'm not 100% familiar with radar stations.

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Now this second array station (if it is) I just stumbled upon while scanning the Pine Barren region. This one is due north of Gabreski Airport i'd say maybe 5 or so miles east of the one above. It is right in the middle of nowhere. (40deg 52'54.21" N 72deg 38'14.99" W). There are two black cars parked at the building. Again notice the shadows of the "poles" along with a radio (i think) tower just south east of the building. Also, looking at it in Google Earth you can see points north east, east, south east and due south there are orange/white antennas.


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My only speculation of what these are could be some form of old navigation stations for aircraft or TRACON. I'm not sure. But they are all situated very near to airports, all have these "poles" and are all in the middle of nowhere, with the exception of the one closest to Montauk Point which is now in the middle of a residential area. Tho it could have been secluded years ago.. long islands construction rate is rediculous.

Let me know what you all think.

Derek

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Derek, Your post and the pic of the 2nd array made me think of something I read a few days ago about HAARP being on Long Island after seeing this thread. You can see it here:

www.theglobal2012.com...

This is the part that I remembered and thought was most interesting after reading your post and seeing the pic



" Certain of the photos on the Navy's "official" HAARP website betray the fact that the photos were doctored--a structure visible in the photos proves that (at least one of) HAARP's transmitter site(s) is no longer in Alaska if it ever was but is in fact on Long Island, in the Westhampton pine barrens quite close to Brookhaven Labs--the nearby structure seen in the web page photo is part of Brookhaven! The photos were altered by adding mountains in the background, to keep going the lie that the HAARP is being operated in Alaska. Unconfirmed accounts state that HAARP has as many as 36 sites in operation at this time.

Preston Nichols, author and well-known investigator of covert operations, reported that he knows where this antenna site in the pine barrens is. There is totally independent confirmation from another source that there is an antenna farm in the Westhampton pine barrens which is protected 24/7 by Delta Force type personnel with automatic weapons. This fellow was hiking in the area and came upon the heavily fenced and posted site without having encountered any warning signs etc. An armed guard wearing a featureless black uniform warned him off with threats of deadly force! Needless to say my contact was one hella of a shock!"


It looks close to Brookhaven, and could be considered the Westhampton pine barrens to me. I wish the picture the author claims is altered was posted with the story

In this screenshot the placemark titled "antenna array" is the same site Derek called "2nd array" in his post.


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I know it's also close to the airport (almost closer to the airport than Brookhaven as the airport is just south of the antenna array) and could be part of the TRACON system as Derek said. I counted 20+ antennas at the site before I stopped, and was wondering if that is typical of a normal TRACON system? Are TRACON systems still in use today? Could those black cars be the Delta force like security force mentioned in the article I posted above?




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[edit on 22-9-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by warpboost
Derek, Your post and the pic of the 2nd array made me think of something I read a few days ago about HAARP being on Long Island after seeing this thread. You can see it here:

www.theglobal2012.com...

This is the part that I remembered and thought was most interesting after reading your post and seeing the pic

" Certain of the photos on the Navy's "official" HAARP website betray the fact that the photos were doctored--a structure visible in the photos proves that (at least one of) HAARP's transmitter site(s) is no longer in Alaska if it ever was but is in fact on Long Island, in the Westhampton pine barrens quite close to Brookhaven Labs--the nearby structure seen in the web page photo is part of Brookhaven! The photos were altered by adding mountains in the background, to keep going the lie that the HAARP is being operated in Alaska. Unconfirmed accounts state that HAARP has as many as 36 sites in operation at this time.

Preston Nichols, author and well-known investigator of covert operations, reported that he knows where this antenna site in the pine barrens is. There is totally independent confirmation from another source that there is an antenna farm in the Westhampton pine barrens which is protected 24/7 by Delta Force type personnel with automatic weapons. This fellow was hiking in the area and came upon the heavily fenced and posted site without having encountered any warning signs etc. An armed guard wearing a featureless black uniform warned him off with threats of deadly force! Needless to say my contact was one hella of a shock!"


It looks close to Brookhaven, and could be considered the Westhampton pine barrens to me. I wish the picture the author claims is altered was posted with the story

In this screenshot the placemark titled "antenna array" is the same site Derek called "2nd array" in his post.


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I know it's also close to the airport (almost closer to the airport than Brookhaven as the airport is just south of the antenna array) and could be part of the TRACON system as Derek said. I counted 20+ antennas at the site before I stopped, and was wondering if that is typical of a normal TRACON system? Are TRACON systems still in use today? Could those black cars be the Delta force like security force mentioned in the article I posted above?




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not to be a fun-buster, but the haarp actually is located in alaska, i have located it in google earth before. Im not saying that there isint a haarp site, or something like it on long island, just that the actual bonafide haarp is in alaska.

I would have to say it most likely could be. It is ironic that the only sites of similarity to "site 2" that i can find are located in the Pine Barrens, near Gabreski... of which i've heard of "things" going on for a while now.

The only things I find strange are.. site 2 does not look like the "posted" haarp array below (Gankon, AK)

www.haarp.alaska.edu...

But... HAARP has been around since the 50s. So has Gabreski and Hero and the likes. Back then Long Island was mostly farm land.

The only other interesting thing I could find about the mystery FAA site is that it could be a Phased Radar Array site.

In respect to the communications with the Atlantic Fleet. It is very possible as the Navy has been after ELF communications for decades now. However, I would imagine something of that much strategic importance would be much more "secure" no? Most Sub communications come out of COMSUBLANT in Norfolk VA and VLF stations in Annapolis. There are two doccumented ELF stations in the US (not HAARP.. ELF)

>The ELF communications system consists of two high power shore transmitter stations controlled by a submarine BCA. The two ELF transmitter facilities are located at Clam Lake, Wisconsin and Republic, Michigan.



Derek


[edit on 23-9-2005 by DerekJR321]

That's wierd the navy ELF stations are in the great lakes area, but since it's radio waves I guess it doesnt make a big difference?



Derek earlier you said you ruled out site 2 as being a VOR or TRACON site, and I was curious why you came to that conclusion?

You also mentioned that all the "other" sites similair to site 2 you can find are ironically in the pine barrens near Grabeski. Could you by any chance post the images or the lat/longs of these? Also you mentioned there are all kinds of stories about Grabeski and I was hoping you could share a few?


I was reading this which I think is the same article as the last link I posted? :www.konformist.com...

they say that montauk project is under the control of the Navy these days which might offer some insight, but I also thought you might find this of interest which is from the above link:

"There is an old bunker southeast of the base proper outside the "restricted area" which is relatively close to the lighthouse and right on the Atlantic cliffs, with a paved circular area directly south of and in front of it which was (at one time) an artillery emplacement. (This was the location where Siemens-subsidiary Cardion Corporation tested a very high tech particle beam radar system for at least five months in 1994 - all clearly visible from the lighthouse)."

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Derek,

Your VOR explanation makes sense as there shouldnt be an array of antennas for navigation, but I'm not expert. If you get a chance sometime could you post the pic of the VOR site in Calverton?

That FAA site you found is interesting. So you think it's a phased array radar station huh? Do you have any idea what would that be used for? Isn't phased array radar used in weather prediction?


This is a picture of the paved circular area that I believe was the referenced in the article area where the advanced radar was tested in my last post.



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and here is what I think is the same paved circular area, and it looks like there are 2 of them. I happen to notice that there is a antenna rate next to those paved circles which might have something to do with the radar testing? I wonder what the heck that white x looking thing is???

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I found 2 bunkers just to the west of the SAGE radar tower and the main part of the base. I think these are the artillary bunkers show here.

What I thought was interesting about this image is the 2 dark objectsthat are on top of them. I can't tell if they are just trees or what, but them seem almost symetrical? I thought I saw another bunker somewhere, but now I can't find it.

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Derek, I have been looking at the paved circular road just south of that L shaped transmitter building we talked about earlier. I have never been out there and was hoping you could tell me if Old Montauk highway is paved or dirt? reason i ask is it looks dirt in google earth, but that circle appears to be paved, and I can't figure out why they would go to the trouble to pave a circle? Do you know if you anyone can drive on Old Montauk Highway?

I was also wondering if you know anything about that small neighborhood north of camp hero? The streets show as Madison Hill Drive and then there are Jefferson and Washington Ave off of it. It appears to be part of camp hero but I can't really tell. Is it the housing for the people there? Also make sure you check out that oval track looking thing where Madison Hill Dr meets Camp heo rd. What the heck is that thing for?

I was wondering if someone knows what this rectangulr concrete structure is, and if it is above or below ground? It's just east of the SAGE tower and almost looks like it goes below ground or something?

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I had only heard little bits and pieces about Montauk and Tesla and what went on there and never thought much of it. Now that I have read about and looked at pictures and aerial images I can't really explain why but I think that nore goes on there than meets the eye. After looking at the place in detail with google earth I get the feeling that there is a fairly extensive underground facility there. I know those bunkers are there, but I think there is even more that's not as visible.

Something else I wanted to mention was the Wardenclyffe Tesla lab which AFAIK is in Shoreham, NY but I can't find an address for the site or find it in google earth. I find it interesting that Tesla himself had a lab and a giant wireless tower on Long Island not far from Montauk and Camp hero.


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Here is the picture of the VOR across from the main gates at the old Grumman facility. It is very easily seen by driving down Rt. 25.


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In response to the circular drive near the L-Shaped building.. its obvious in the picture that the circle is paved.. however i dont believe the roads leading twoards it are paved.. at least not any more. Follow that road east and you can see it is completely washed out.. right about where your two former radar sites are. If you notice where those two circles are, look north twoards the building and the rather unusual white "X" on the ground.. there is also a large radio tower there as well. Also if you follow old montauk west there is what appers to be an old guard booth to the north of the road, and you can also see at the shore what I think is part of another bunker? Might not be but it looks like a large cement slab. Also notice the two cement trucks and bulldozer right at the junction. No idea if they were there to actually pave the road As i said these pictures are at LEAST 2 years old if not more.

In respect to the FAA site... no idea why they would have a phased radar array there... I just speculate that is what it is simply because the only "domed" radars im aware of are doppler and phased array, with the exception of i think ATC uses them at some airports... but then again... this site is in the middle of no where like i said.

I want to say that rectangular concrete block that you posted a picture of is a parking lot... but then again its rather "off the path" to be one. And you can clearly see tire tracks there.. or at least what appears to be tire tracks. I've read about bunkers at Camp Hero that freight trucks used to drive into.. maybe thats it?

Derek



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Concerning the L shaped building, I agree that the square shape surrounding it appears to be a perimeter fence.

As for the array, great job on finding it. When I was in Montauk, we were guestimating where to find it based on an old area map, plus we could see the antennaes through the foliage. As for the purpose of the array, here is an email I received from someone who prefers to remain anonomous:

After looking at your pictures that people claim to be a HAARP array, I can
pretty safely say it is an CDAA (Circularly Diposed Antenna Array) array. It
is used to do HFDF (high frequency direction finding). It helps all branchs of
the millitary locate ships at sea, and to pinpoint military emergency beacons.
The Coast Guard uses the same thing for civilian beacons also.
As a former cryptoligist in the military, I assume this base did have a secret
agenda years ago, mostly cryptology. The large array looks like one we used to
have, albeit an ancient version. The antenna that was broken down was more
than likely another portion of a long array, that might go on for a mile or
two.
As far as the tubing running from the old house into the hill, that was more
than likely an access tunnel to the cryptologic operations. I've seen those at
another base too. They would post guards at the building, and at the end of
the tunnel, plus you would have to have a magnetic key card to access the
doors.
There probably was/is a facility under the hill. Thats where most of the
secret stuff happens.

This structure here may be interesting:

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It appears to be the foundation of a building which has been demolished. However it is a fact that we noticed several similar type areas where there had been buildings on top of small hills which, after further inspection, revealed themselves to have bunkers underneath them.

Is there any activity there now. Especially considering that most of the base has been opened as as a state park? Honestly, I doubt it. But there were some odd things that were hard to explain, such as the power lines running through the middle of the base. But for all I know it could be for the lighthouse. There is a little snack bar out by the lighthouse, but I dont think the power usage for that justifies what we observed in the middle of the base, in the middle of nowhere.




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