For the past four years we have been told by our government that we must give up our freedom & our privacy in order to protect our country from the "evildoers" who seek to destory "The American Way of Life"...
We have gone to war with two countries & made enemies with many others in order to keep the "terrorists" off American soil...
Well my question is, Where in the heck are the "terrorists" now? Why haven't they taken advantage of our vulnerability & attacked us when we are down? Why haven't they used the chaos & confusion while it is available & launched a full scale attack on America?
Could it be possible that the "terrorists" are not much more than figments of our governments imagination? Could it be that there is not a huge Islamic conspiracy to destroy American called the Taliban? IF the government has lied to us in so many areas how are we to trust anything they have told us?

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[edit on 16-9-2005 by Watchman77]

Many more people have said US Goverment has made up terrorist groups such
as the Al Quada and other just to have a reason to enter a country and take
important sites such as oil factories and such things. When you enter a country
without it's permission, ofcourse there will be shootings against your forces. They
are unwanted there so they have to leave, they are just defending their country.
I don't really believe in 'Terrorists' like we know them. Except Osama bin Laden
but allot shows that even that guy has US Goverment connection when it comes
to money and deals about what is going to happen in the world, everything is
still really unclear and I'm afraid certain things will never become clear to the 'regular'
people.

Originally posted by Watchman77
IF the government has lied to us in so many areas how are we to trust anything they have told us?

Trust the government? Are you completely bonkers

People shouldnt trust governments, they should beat them with sticks all the time and cross check everythiing they do. Thats why we have free media...only now the media is corrupt as well and works along the government...well with few exeptions

Never trust the ones with power, becouse power corrupts the mind

Their was a file floating round these forums a month or so ago about the Al Quada [wrong spelling I know but... meh] being created by the US government. Shame about the US government giving Osama all those weapons in Afghantstan when he was fighting the Russians...
Now back on topic...
Terrorists are real, its just some are created by governments to scare their people into a false sense of reality, then they take advantage of it. Groups like ETA do exist for example, they have a reason to fight [forgotten what it was, I'll find out soon].
And then you have the fake Al Quada that actually blows things up simply because they can in their Holy War. The US government created something that ius spiraling out of control.

Is it possible the work our government is doing has repeled terrorist attacks?

Originally posted by Dronetek
Is it possible the work our government is doing has repeled terrorist attacks?

IMHO absolutely not... I have watched documentaries & news reports both that have proven our "national security" is not very secure...
IF the terrorists were out there like they have claimed & their sole purpose is to destroy America WHY haven't they attacked us during this time of chaos & confusion? It would be so easy in so many ways, it just stands to reason IF all the "terror" our government has been warning us about was real the terrorists would have done something by now.

Originally posted by Watchman77
For the past four years we have been told by our government that we must give up our freedom & our privacy in order to protect our country from the "evildoers" who seek to destory "The American Way of Life"...

Where is this quote from the government? The only people that I have heard saying that kind of stuff is people on these forums. I never heard the administration say "we must give up our freedoms & our privacy in order to protect our country..".

I HAVE heard people on here and other forums claiming that is what the government is doing or is planning on doing.....thats all.

I think you are confusing people that are letting their paranoia take over and posting rumors on the Internet and what is actually happening in the real world.

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The government doesn't say we have to give up our freedoms---they just go ahead and pass laws that take our freedoms away and call it "security." Even the firecest deffender of obsecne laws such as the Patriot Act can't claim that it does not have the power to restirct our freedoms and civil liberties, they can only claim that iit is only "used for good," or somesuch.
---Ryan

Can anybody honestly who actually lives in the US post something they have had taken away from them? I hear this crap on ATS all the time and nobody can provide me with a freedom you "lost". I've been living my same normal life for the last 5 years and can't find one thing I am or have to do differently than I did in the past. The only people who are affected by these laws being passed are the ones who deserve to be. I know many many people and can honestly say never heard one person say " I just lost the right to ......" or "I can't do this because of that stupid terrorist act that just passed".

I can't use curbside checkin at airports, because someone who shares my name (though not, fortunately, my birthdate) is on some TSA watch list. I have to go to the counter and run my license through a magnetic cardreader, which almost made me miss my last flight...

I guess somewhere there is a retired 70yo IRA member with my name running around...

Now it's not like losing the protections of the First Amendment or something, but it is certainly an annoyance.

Originally posted by Dronetek
Is it possible the work our government is doing has repeled terrorist attacks?

I find that a bit hard to believe, given the situation with the Mexican border. Illegals are just waltzing on in here.

Originally posted by Watchman77
For the past four years we have been told by our government that we must give up our freedom & our privacy in order to protect our country from the "evildoers" who seek to destory "The American Way of Life"...
We have gone to war with two countries & made enemies with many others in order to keep the "terrorists" off American soil...
Well my question is, Where in the heck are the "terrorists" now? Why haven't they taken advantage of our vulnerability & attacked us when we are down? Why haven't they used the chaos & confusion while it is available & launched a full scale attack on America?
Could it be possible that the "terrorists" are not much more than figments of our governments imagination? Could it be that there is not a huge Islamic conspiracy to destroy American called the Taliban? IF the government has lied to us in so many areas how are we to trust anything they have told us?

[edit on 16-9-2005 by Watchman77]

[edit on 16-9-2005 by Watchman77]

hmm maybe they havent attacked us because when we attacked afghanistan and iraq it worked (probably not but hey you never know)

From the first attack on the WTC in 1993 to the attack in 2001 was how many years?

They are not on your timetable.

Originally posted by rstrik
Can anybody honestly who actually lives in the US post something they have had taken away from them? I hear this crap on ATS all the time and nobody can provide me with a freedom you "lost". I've been living my same normal life for the last 5 years and can't find one thing I am or have to do differently than I did in the past. The only people who are affected by these laws being passed are the ones who deserve to be. I know many many people and can honestly say never heard one person say " I just lost the right to ......" or "I can't do this because of that stupid terrorist act that just passed".

I couldnt of said it better myself, after a while you get kinda of sick of people complaining about the war, i believe that the only people that actually have the right to complain are the soilders fighting over there because theyre the ones suffering theyre the ones that are seeing the buddies die and i hardly ever hear them complaining, yet other people complain over gas prices and other stuff thats not going to kill them.

Originally posted by rstrik
Can anybody honestly who actually lives in the US post something they have had taken away from them? I hear this crap on ATS all the time and nobody can provide me with a freedom you "lost". I've been living my same normal life for the last 5 years and can't find one thing I am or have to do differently than I did in the past. The only people who are affected by these laws being passed are the ones who deserve to be. I know many many people and can honestly say never heard one person say " I just lost the right to ......" or "I can't do this because of that stupid terrorist act that just passed".

How about flying with nail clippers? And not waiting forever to go through security to get on an airplane (used to take less than 15 minutes). I used to fly from Florida to Michigan and the whole trip was just a couple hours. Now it can take 4-6 hours, most of the business day is lost. And the Airlines won't serve food so now I have to burn another eating somewhere. More time lost.

Starting next year, you will need a passport to travel to the Caribbean. Never needed before.

Because you have not been effected, does not mean no honest people are effected.

Nothing but inconveniences and precautions, Qwas, not restricted or taken away rights. There is a difference there.

And for those that claim and assert that there are no terrorists, hello?!!?





seekerof

If you're waiting for a complete "right" to be taken away, that might take a while. Governments generally know it is best to erode your rights slowly rather than take it away all at once.

Remember, the Second Amendment states your right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Then why are there so many gun laws???

The Patriot Act does erode our rights to Due Process, Search and Seizure. Might not effect you but it is certainly effecting someone. The erosion will continue until no one is safe from government in their home. By then. it is too late to fight the loss of these rights. You need to stand up to your rights as soon as the erosion begins.

The Constitution says these Rights are God given. It is not the government's place to mess with any of them in any fashion, for any excuse.

To answer your question, they are fighting us in Iraq.

They have bombed England. Spain. They are still around.

What everyone seems to forget is that it took them 8 years after the first WTC attack to execute 911.

And that was when we did nothing to stop them for 8 years.

Their timetable is not yours.

Originally posted by Qwas

How about flying with nail clippers? And not waiting forever to go through security to get on an airplane (used to take less than 15 minutes).

You don't have any inherent right to a) fly, b) take nail clippers on board, or c) travel without security measures. No rights have been infringed here, surely?

Inconvenience? Absolutely!

Infringement on your rights? Absolutely not.