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reply posted on 17-9-2005 @ 01:19 AM by smallpeeps
I've read all your posts, reallivespook including that weird 911 memorial one that got trashcanned. Are you sane? That was some nutty stuff.

Here's your claim, so far as I can tell:

A congressman, in congress since the mid-1970's or so (and who had devised the creation of al qaeda in order to succeed in the largest covert op in history --the American support of the mujas in the afghan-soviet war), got into trouble. He then orchestrated a fire at los alamos and stole hard drives that contained software which, when run on "suitcase nukes" would unlock boobytraps on said nukes. This enabled the congressman in question to blackmail the world because he had purchased forty of these very same suitcase nukes (off the black market from scientists defecting around the time David Hasslehoff was singing on the Berlin Wall), which were boobytrapped by the designers, but which when combined with the unlock-software (stolen, in your theory by the congressman), became viable.

Is this the hard drive theft event you were referring to?

partners.nytimes.com...


June 13, 2000

Data on Weapons Reported Missing From Los Alamos
By JAMES RISEN

WASHINGTON, June 12
-- Investigators at Los Alamos National Laboratory have discovered that computer hard drives containing nuclear weapons data and other highly sensitive material stored in a vault at the laboratory have disappeared, government officials said today.

The hard drives were stored inside a vault in locked containers in the X Division of the national laboratory, where nuclear weapons are designed. They were reported missing on May 31 by officials who were inspecting the facilities after the forest fire in the Los Alamos, N.M., area, Energy Department officials said. While the containers were still in the vault, the hard drives were gone.

The hard drives contained what officials described as data used by the government's Nuclear Emergency Search Team, or NEST, a unit that responds to nuclear accidents and nuclear-related threats from terrorists. The data on the hard drives includes all the information on American nuclear weapons that the team needs to render the nuclear devices safe in emergencies, officials said.

Among the missing material was intelligence information concerning the Russian nuclear weapons program, law enforcement officials said.

[...]

They said disruptions at the laboratory caused by last month's forest fire had impeded their investigation.

Edward Curran, the director of the Energy Department's office of counterintelligence, said in a statement today that "at this point there is no evidence that suggests espionage is involved in this incident."

Mr. Habiger, the director of the Energy Department's office of security and emergency operations, added that "our inquiry has been conducted during a period in which employees are still recovering from the effects of a major emergency disaster, the fire."

Here is an article about that fire, which you say hid the covert operation to steal the hard drives containing the software which then unlocked the booby traps on the 40 suitcase nukes.

www.fseee.org...//www.fseee.org/forestmag/specialreports.shtml


APRIL 5, 2001—Breaking an eleven-month silence, the former superintendent of New Mexico’s Bandelier National Monument said the prescribed burn that got out of control and destroyed more than 200 homes in Los Alamos, New Mexico, last year was not the result of poor judgment and errors by National Park Service personnel.

[...]

In his first detailed public statements since the fire, Weaver said that he and the Bandelier crew that planned and carried out the blaze had been unfairly scapegoated for the disaster. He said that neither he nor his people were warned ahead of time to not light the fire, as has been widely reported. He also said that other federal agencies bore a measure of responsibility. He cited the Santa Fe National Forest, which took nine hours to provide backup in the critical early stages of the fire. He also pointed to the National Weather Service, which did not provide a timely forecast of the high winds that hit the Los Alamos area at noon on Sunday, May 7, and transformed the fire into a raging inferno.

Weaver also criticized a government investigation that blamed the catastrophe on poor planning, preparation and execution by the park service. Weaver said the investigation—conducted in a matter of days while the Cerro Grande fire was still burning—was overly hasty and did not adequately explore what went wrong. He said the investigative report that was produced—and released to the media by former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt at a jam-packed press conference in Santa Fe—was distorted by the political need for Babbitt to take responsibility for the disaster.

Again, this fire concealed the theft of these hard drives, right? The hard drives that turned on 40 nukes. One must assume there are at least 10 loyalists with each nuke, to monitor it and to detonate when needed. That would mean 400 people involved in the core group of [congressman's] loyal followers, right? 400 knives at his throat, so to speak, all of whom could blackmail him and detonate or at least bust him on TV? How does he maintain control of these people?

This thread will be moved back to ATS quickly if you can provide more details. I think your sanity is questionable, from the 911 site you linked to, but I'm intrigued.


[EDIT]

...You also advised folks to read "Charlie Wilson's War". Here's an interesting site I found:

www.lbjlib.utexas.edu...


An Evening With Charlie Wilson and George Crile

Note: There are a limited number of seats that may be available to those who are not members of the Friends of the LBJ Library. Admission is $10. If seats are still available, tickets will go on sale at 5:50 p.m. in the lobby of the LBJ Auditorium. For more information, or if you would like to become a member of the Friends of the LBJ Library, call Larry Reed at (512) 478-7829, ext. 296.

When: 6 p.m., Tuesday, October 7, 2003
Where: LBJ Auditorium, 2313 Red River St.

The Scoop: It’s been called the “other war” the United States fought in Afghanistan, the one waged by proxy against the Soviet Union in the 1980s…a war that was never even on the radar for most Americans.

60 Minutes producer and author George Crile tells the unlikely tale of a Texas congressman who uses his political wiles to arm tribes of Afghan holy warriors…which ultimately led to the fall of the Soviet Union…in the best-seller Charlie Wilson’s War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History.

Crile and the subject of the book, former Texas congressman Charlie Wilson, will speak to the Friends of the LBJ Library on October 7, 2003.
According to the book’s publisher, The Atlantic Monthly Press, “George Crile tells how Charlie Wilson, a maverick congressman from east Texas, conspired with a rogue CIA operative to launch the biggest, meanest, and most successful covert operation in the Agency's history. At a time when Ronald Reagan faced a total cutoff of funding for the Contra war, Wilson, who sat on the all-powerful House Appropriations Committee, managed to procure hundreds of millions of dollars to support the mujadiheen.”


The Houston Post writes, “In Charlie Wilson’s War, Crile reveals in extraordinary detail the over-the-top, under-the-table machinations of Wilson, one of Capitol Hill’s ablest political bulldozers, as he spearheaded what eventually became known as the Soviets’ Vietnam.”

In July 2003, Tom Hanks’ company, Playtone, bought the rights to Charlie Wilson’s War and Hanks plans to play the lead role.

Mr. Wilson and Mr. Crile will be signing copies of Charlie Wilson's War from 5:15 to 5:45 p.m. in the lobby of the LBJ Auditorium

So if what you are saying is true, this congressman is blackmailing Tom Hanks into playing him in a movie?

Wow. Truth is stranger than fiction.

[edit on 17-9-2005 by smallpeeps]


reply posted on 20-9-2005 @ 07:15 AM by fritz
Okay, okay. I know what you're all saying or what some of you are thinking.

I too lambasted Reallivespook on an earlier thread and I for one, now deeply regret being disrespectful to him.

It takes a lot of guts to come on a website like this 'to spill the beans' as it were. And yes! There are those in power in various governments around the world who welcome and encourage terrorism - the UK and the USA are equally as guilty as any other country.

How can we, the great ATS public, slag off this 'real live spook' and yet not give him [or her] the benefit of the doubt and allow him [or her] to express his [or her] view, however distorted it would appear to us.

We should get off his [or her] back and hear what is on offer. However, a note of caution. Would 'they' not try and succeed in 'silencing' our very own 'Deep Throat'?

Perhaps Real Live Spook is genuine, perhaps not. But my point is, we should hear what he [or she] has to say and, as I have said before in another thread, 'the truth is out there' but we do tend to need a little guidance in where we look.

"I have a serious problem. I am actively seeking the truth and have several irons in the fire, so to speak. What I have managed to uncover, is so startling, so unbelievable, that I simply cannot get my head round it.

I have checked and rechecked my sources and have received a verbal threat (which a good friend of mine [SB] is looking into) to warn me off.

I cannot begin to describe the utter feeling of hopelessness which has come over me because, I've tried to alert some friends to what is happening but they just laugh at me, shake their heads and walk away or tell me I'm mad!

I desperately need to be able to talk to somebody about what I have discovered during my 30 odd years in the military.

I am seeking legal advice, to ensure that if anything happens to me, then certain sealed documents will be sent to all the world press [UPI] for immediate publication. What I have discovered, will bring down the allied governments, of that I have no doubt. Can anybody on ATS help me? This is my last chance for any semblence of sanity.

Please help me, I am in fear for my life!"

Well that's what I'd be thinking, if I was Reallivespook. Over to you mate!


reply posted on 20-9-2005 @ 09:10 AM by dr_strangecraft
Look, Fritz; the reason I come to this site is precisely that I AM looking for revelations that cannot be found at the public library.

But at the same time, I expect them to be worth listening to.

Spook has definite believeability issues.

Let's contrast his situation with my own on another thread. I present myself as a freemason, and post in the (anti)-anti-masonic threads. But how do other masons, or anyone else, know that I'm a bonafide mason? Because of the way I present my information. I don't browbeat people who question me, I provide information.

Now, since a lot of people at ATS distrust masons, let me give a less politicised example.

I lot of people at this site make some pretty incredible accusations against the police. I happened to have worked in law enforcement for a lot of the 1990's, and so I post as someone with experience in THAT field, also.

So how do folks know, based on my anonymous posts, whether to believe me? They make up their own minds, based on the content of my posts. The other officers recognize the reality of the things I describe, and the vocabulary I use, and recognize me as a (limited) source of information about law enforcement issues.

See, Spook doesn't do any of that. He doesn't come on here and say "I worked at so and so agency; I had this kind of clearance, and I saw these things. Here are some non-conspiracy websites that will back up the dates and official facts on the topic I'm making allegations about"

But Spook doesn't do that. Instead of handing out information, he's handing out the hate-o-rade on anyone that has the temerity to question whether he has anything meaningful to say.

And THAT'S why I don't think he's anything but a webposer.
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