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Iranian President: "we will share nuclear tech with other Arab nations..."

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posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by nukunuku

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

What would of you suggested, maybe we should of rolled over like dogs and Ate sushi to save 200k of the enemys bomb making citizens?

crazy crazy stuff.


yeah sure man, im sure you got that one right...

...history wise as well.

out


Numbercruncher,

Nukunuku will never see things your way.

What he doesn't realize is that his history is so bad that he forgot or maybe never even learned that Japan was only days away from unleashing biological weapons on the West coast of the US when we dropped the bomb.

What he also probaly doesn't realize is that the nuclear bombing saved Japanese lives as well. If Hirohito didn't surrender, the Japanese would have fought until the last man, woman and child when we invaded Japanese islands. By dropping those bombs, we saved millions of lives on both sides.

He must not really care about lives. Just his rhetoric. Which is why he really doesn't care about whether or not Iran has nukes. He doesn't care about the hatred spewing out of Iran. He doesn't care that the US built nuclear weapons in the first place and his country had to steal it to acquire the technology. He probably doesn't care if anyone else has the technology since his country failed miserably at working with it causing one contamination after another especially after their Northern fleet was decommissioned. Gremikha Naval Base, the Nerpa Shipyard and Andreeva Bay ring a bell? How about Chernobyl? Do I need to remind you of the Gadzhiyevo Naval Base incident? I wonder why we would want to control who has access to it. Becuase if they screw it up it affects EVERYBODY! How's your memory now eh, comrade?

[edit on 5-12-2005 by xman_in_blackx]




posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:10 PM
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rawstory.com... ationalize_story_about_1205.html

An article in the Jerusalem Post trumpeted by the conservative Drudge Report grossly sensationalizes the comments of Mohamed El-Baradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
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According to the Independent, Baradei said he wasn't sure if the Iranians were building a nuclear weapon:

Did he believe the Iranians were building a nuclear weapon? "The jury's out," he said. "It's difficult to read their intention. We're still going through the programme to make sure it's all for peaceful purposes.

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and the rest of your story xman is jibberish, more like an excuse to drop a bomb. I do however know that Japan wasnt willing to surrender. Im just saying that human beings NEED to find other solutions than dropping an A-bomb, not judging the decision. Like there would be a point to that now


Now if you can use that braincell for something more than personal attack, you might see that things tend to strangely repeat themselves.

hmmmmm....

[edit on 5-12-2005 by nukunuku]



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
What he also probaly doesn't realize is that the nuclear bombing saved Japanese lives as well. If Hirohito didn't surrender, the Japanese would have fought until the last man, woman and child when we invaded Japanese islands. By dropping those bombs, we saved millions of lives on both sides.

How I find Interesting that EVERYTIME the United States drops a Bomb and kills 50.000 People in a Minute that is called "SAVING LIVES". Everytime that US goes to a Foreign Country and Trears it Apart, that is called "LIBERATING". Everytime that US Carped Bombs a Village in the middle of Jungle and kills thousands of Innocent People, that is called COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

Really,
GOD BLESS AMERICA!




posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by nukunuku

and the rest of your story xman is jibberish, more like an excuse to drop a bomb. I do however know that Japan wasnt willing to surrender. Im just saying that human beings NEED to find other solutions than dropping an A-bomb, not judging the decision. Like there would be a point to that now


Now if you can use that braincell for something more than personal attack, you might see that things tend to strangely repeat themselves.

hmmmmm....
[edit on 5-12-2005 by nukunuku]


Jibberish?
1. Are you saying the the CCCP never aqcuired nuclear technology through spying?
2. Are you saying the the CCCP never contaminated shipyards when nuclear vessels were decommissioned?
3. Are you saying that the CCCP never dumped reactor coolant into the ocean?
4. Are you saying that Chernolbyl didn't have a meltdown?

I apologize if you feel the attack is personal. I completely agree that things tend to repeat themselves, but I think there are situations where pacifism would only result in martyrdom. I am sure there were plenty of pacifists in Nanking.

As for other ways of getting Japan to surrender, I am sure that "Please surrender. Pretty please with sugar on top" wouldn't have worked.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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Well hindsight is usually 20/20.

The truth is Japan probably would have surrendered even without the bomb.

However, we didn't know then what we know now.
Even if Truman had inklings that Japan was about to surrender anyway, did he have reliable enough information to bet millions of lives on? Probably not.

After 60 years, the decision to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki looks questionable. In the context of late summer 1945 though, it was a no brainer.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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dude !

wtf does Russia has to do with anything ????
????

I think u might think im Russian....you are wrong....ive never been to Russia, nor am i Russian



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
What he also probaly doesn't realize is that the nuclear bombing saved Japanese lives as well. If Hirohito didn't surrender, the Japanese would have fought until the last man, woman and child when we invaded Japanese islands. By dropping those bombs, we saved millions of lives on both sides.

How I find Interesting that EVERYTIME the United States drops a Bomb and kills 50.000 People in a Minute that is called "SAVING LIVES". Everytime that US goes to a Foreign Country and Trears it Apart, that is called "LIBERATING". Everytime that US Carped Bombs a Village in the middle of Jungle and kills thousands of Innocent People, that is called COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

Really,
GOD BLESS AMERICA!



I suppose you would have done a better job at it? How would you have ended the war between Japan and the US? Given them a link to "Stop the Hate" perhaps?



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by nukunuku
dude !

wtf does Russia has to do with anything ????
????

I think u might think im Russian....you are wrong....ive never been to Russia, nor am i Russian




Sorry. My bad. I made a left turn at "Amerikanskyi" when I should have gone right.

Where are you from?



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 03:56 PM
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Frankly, if the death of half the Japanese population saved the tip of one US soldiers pinky, it was worth it.

It was WAR people... The greatest war in history. You fight to win, and frankly you don't take chances that an enemy might surrender if you invade.

You hit the enemy with as much force and violance as possible in the smallest amount of time possible, to utterly decimate your enemy.That is how you fight wars, especially ones where millions of your own peoples lives are at stake.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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East-West Axis


Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
Sorry. My bad. I made a left turn at "Amerikanskyi" when I should have gone right.

Where are you from?

Ima take a wild guess and call "Bosnian!".


But ultimately, does it really matter?


Opinions are something everyone has, regardless of where they live.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 08:49 PM
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at the risk of being called stupid. i ask a question.

What business does the United States, the only country to have ever used a nuclear device, have telling other countries what weapons they may or may not possess???



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
at the risk of being called stupid. i ask a question.

What business does the United States, the only country to have ever used a nuclear device, have telling other countries what weapons they may or may not possess???


Your the toughest dude in town, your gonna let the little kids smack you around and tell you what to do. You own the town, you have kept the town in peace. You have kept violence down. You stopped the crimes, the gangs from spreading, you stopped people from chopping off heads and you made peoples lives peaceful by giving them freedom and safety.

The US is the Worlds Tough Guy. Thats Why.

I guess in your theory, its fine for any country to get nukes so we could just have a nice balloon Nuke War, throwing them around and killing billions cuz the idea "Nobody has the right to tell me, the islamofacist, or socialist totaliatrian, what to do right, get a clue bro. Get a clue.

Train



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 10:15 PM
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So this news is definately disturbing. I don't know though if Iran would actually do anything close to what you could call an attack. I have no doubt they want to, but I don't think that moron they have for a president really believes he can defeat the United States Military and it's allies. Iraq has taught us many important lessons. If we invade Iran after they attack we would most likely not stick around to rebuild. I just don't see it happening. Why would we? True there's a ton of oil, but it all is bought primarily by Russia and China. Russia would probably help in the invasion of Iran, since the only way it would happen is if Iran outright attacked a neighboring country-- thus most of our allies would jump in. This is different than Iraq because they didn't attack anyone, so we did it primarily ourselves. Anyway, what i'm getting at here is that if Russia or China wanted to ensure their oil interests they would have step in to rebuild. This would be good on the global political stage for the United States because then the rebuilding country would be fighting another insurgent war while they were there. My money would go to China picking up the bill in this one, simply because Russia already seems to have taken Insurgency 101 from the Afghani people. However, I'm still fairly sure that Iran won't do anything in the near future because it would be an unwinnable war against many allied countries. I think they're probably just rattling the world's collective cage to freak us out a little bit and give themselves some kind of clout. Can't remember the exact quote from "The Sum of All Fears" but it's something about it's better a country appearing bloodthirsty than impotent. By the way... big thumbs up for kicking NR out of ATS... guy was a definate jerk who was ignorantly jumping on the "screw america" bandwagon. Remember to laugh sometimes folks, it's about the last thing holding our species together...



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by BigTrain

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
at the risk of being called stupid. i ask a question.

What business does the United States, the only country to have ever used a nuclear device, have telling other countries what weapons they may or may not possess???


Your the toughest dude in town, your gonna let the little kids smack you around and tell you what to do. You own the town, you have kept the town in peace. You have kept violence down. You stopped the crimes, the gangs from spreading, you stopped people from chopping off heads and you made peoples lives peaceful by giving them freedom and safety.

The US is the Worlds Tough Guy. Thats Why.

I guess in your theory, its fine for any country to get nukes so we could just have a nice balloon Nuke War, throwing them around and killing billions cuz the idea "Nobody has the right to tell me, the islamofacist, or socialist totaliatrian, what to do right, get a clue bro. Get a clue.

Train


Fine then... but dont complain when some muslim fundamentalists try to take u on and crash a few planes in to a building or 2. Just to test how tough u are.

Im not sayin its fine for any country to obtain nukes. My question was what right does the only country to have ever used nukes have in demanding the rest of the world comply with its wishes



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
East-West Axis


Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
Sorry. My bad. I made a left turn at "Amerikanskyi" when I should have gone right.

Where are you from?

Ima take a wild guess and call "Bosnian!".


But ultimately, does it really matter?


Opinions are something everyone has, regardless of where they live.




BWAHAHAHAHA



good call man


and i wholeheartingly agree



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
I suppose you would have done a better job at it? How would you have ended the war between Japan and the US? Given them a link to "Stop the Hate" perhaps?

This is Not just about Nuking Japan.

This is about War in Korea.

This is about War in Vietnam.

This is about Wars in Central America.

This is about War in Afganistan.

This is about War in Iraq.

EVERYTIME the USA comes - they are the Good Guys, fighting the Bad Guys.

During Cold War, the Commies were the Bad Guys.

Today the Terrorists and some regimes of the Cold War Past (like N.Korea) are the Bad Guys.

How come that the Soviet Union was NOT Liberating Afganistan when they invaded them?

How come that the rebels that fought Soviet Occupation were called Freedom Fighters?

Well, the USA has also INVADED a country in the Middle East and there ARE people fighting this Occupation, no matter how you turn it.

But, yet again, the United States must Remain GOOD, so the SAME people that fought the Soviets in Afganistan and were called FREEDOM FIGHTERS, are called Terrorists today.

Go figure...



[edit on 6/12/05 by Souljah]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
This is about War in Korea.

This is about War in Vietnam.

This is about Wars in Central America.

This is about War in Afganistan.

[edit on 6/12/05 by Souljah]


I can see how you care for people so much. You would have all of Korea go through what North Korea has gone through like famine and poverty, instead of having one of the largest booming economies of Asia like South Korea.

I see you have no feeling at all for the million people who lost their lives when the US withdrew from Vietnam. Those people who counted on us for protection from the Communists. You will probably say that us US was responsible for the Khmer Rouge attrocities, too.

I see you have no feeling at all for the people of Central America and Cuba who have been lost in corruption and poverty due directly to Communism and all of its broken promises. Been to Cuba where EVERYTHING is for sale? Want dinner? We will cook for you. Want company? My wife is pretty, no? She can take care of you tonight for a price. My wife too old? How about my daughter? That is flourishing Communism for you.

I see how you really care about the women of Afghanistan who were executed in Soccer Stadiums for speaking out or just doing what women do. It wasn't like we had proof that the Taliban were hiding the person responsible for 9/11 or anything. It wasn't like we gave them a chance to turn Osama over to us before we went in, either.

Your compassion for people just oozes out of you empty rhetoric. You have an agenda. No matter how many people suffer under its "submission", you will do anything or say anything to make it come to pass.

We see the truth and your lies. You are not fooling anyone. That is why so many have you on their "ignore" list.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
I can see how you care for people so much. You would have all of Korea go through what North Korea has gone through like famine and poverty, instead of having one of the largest booming economies of Asia like South Korea.

Yes, what Extreme Care the US have shown to flex their Military Muscles along with the Soviet Union over Somebody Elses Land. USA was made out of the Same Cloth as the Soviet Union. Still, a Nation is torn apart, Brothers are separated by a 38th Parallel - why? Because of Communism? It takes Two to Tango, remember?



I see you have no feeling at all for the million people who lost their lives when the US withdrew from Vietnam. Those people who counted on us for protection from the Communists. You will probably say that us US was responsible for the Khmer Rouge attrocities, too.

What about the 4 Million who Lost their Lives during the War? Remember the My Lai Massacre? And yes, if the US would not have invaded Vietnam, there would be no Khmer Rouge. Are you aware that the amount of bombs dropped on Cambodia during the war exceeded the amount dropped on Europe during World War II? I wonder how many B52 Carper bombing runs HIT their targets...



I see you have no feeling at all for the people of Central America and Cuba who have been lost in corruption and poverty due directly to Communism and all of its broken promises. Been to Cuba where EVERYTHING is for sale? Want dinner? We will cook for you. Want company? My wife is pretty, no? She can take care of you tonight for a price. My wife too old? How about my daughter? That is flourishing Communism for you.

You wanna start with Central America?
San Salvador?
Honduras?
Nicaragua?
Wanna go more to the South?
Chile?
Argentina?
Brazil?
Urugvay?
Remember the CIA Support for the military dictatorships there?

And you don't have to go to Cuba to see how Prostitution Works - you can go check out one of Americas Cities poor 'Hoods and check out whats "Selling" themselves on the streets. You can't blame Communism form Prostitution! Geeez. You are really hanging to straws here.



I see how you really care about the women of Afghanistan who were executed in Soccer Stadiums for speaking out or just doing what women do. It wasn't like we had proof that the Taliban were hiding the person responsible for 9/11 or anything. It wasn't like we gave them a chance to turn Osama over to us before we went in, either.

Yeah. Gee I wonder HOW these Taliban Rised to Power?
And I wonder what is Happening in SAUDI ARABIA, and how Women are Treated there; or how they treat people that belong to other Religions. It was never about that. If USA cares how the Women are treated, they would have to "Liberate" Congo, Rwanda, South Africa, Peru, Pakistan, Sierra Leone, Kosovo, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Nigeria, Dominican Republic, Burma, Thailand, Guatemala, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco AND Saudi Arabia. But HEY, they DON'T! Why is that? Do you even know about Problems of the Women in this Parts of the Globe? Or it does not "fit your anti-terrorists agenda"?



Your compassion for people just oozes out of you empty rhetoric. You have an agenda. No matter how many people suffer under its "submission", you will do anything or say anything to make it come to pass.

Spare me the Compassion and also spare me Your "Emprty Rhetoric".

People SUFFER so that SOME can Afford their WAY OF LIFE.

For Profits.

And the United States Has Killed At Least 8 Million People In The Last 50 Years For Capitalistic Corporation’s Profits.




We see the truth and your lies. You are not fooling anyone. That is why so many have you on their "ignore" list.

For your own good, I suggest that you do that too.
You might Live Longer.



[edit on 7/12/05 by Souljah]



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

For your own good, I suggest that you do that too.
You might Live Longer.



[edit on 7/12/05 by Souljah]


How would I live longer by putting you on my ignore list?

Is that some sort of threat?



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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now thats what i call an A+ history report




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