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NEWS: Chinese Beauty Products Made From the Skins of Chinese Executed Prisoners

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posted on Sep, 14 2005 @ 11:27 PM
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A Chinese cosmetic company uses skin harvested from Chinese executed prisoners to make collagen for lip and wrinkle treatment beauty products. Some of those products have already been exported to the UK. Briton doctors and politicians say that appart from the ethical concerns from such a practice, there is also the risk of infections when using such products.
 



www.guardian.co.uk
Agents for the firm have told would-be customers it is developing collagen for lip and wrinkle treatments from skin taken from prisoners after they have been shot. The agents say some of the company's products have been exported to the UK, and that the use of skin from condemned convicts is "traditional" and nothing to "make such a big fuss about".
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When formally approached by the Guardian, the agent denied the company was using skin harvested from executed prisoners. However, he had already admitted it was doing precisely this during a number of conversations with a researcher posing as a Hong Kong businessman. The Press Complaints Commission's code of practice permits subterfuge if there is no other means of investigating a matter of public interest.

The agent told the researcher: "A lot of the research is still carried out in the traditional manner using skin from the executed prisoner and aborted foetus." This material, he said, was being bought from "bio tech" companies based in the northern province of Heilongjiang, and was being developed elsewhere in China.

He suggested that the use of skin and other tissues harvested from executed prisoners was not uncommon. "In China it is considered very normal and I was very shocked that western countries can make such a big fuss about this," he said. Speaking from his office in northern China, he added: "The government has put some pressure on all the medical facilities to keep this type of work in low profile."



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


MPs on the Commons select health committee will examine the issue and will question ministers about the need for immediate new controls, states the article.

The article also states that the DoH agreed to the inquiry's recommendation but they are waiting for the European commision to come up with proposals for laws regulating cosmetic products, but that it will take several years before this legislation takes effect.

I am not even sure how many Britons are even aware of this, but imo this is really sick.




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posted on Sep, 14 2005 @ 11:48 PM
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Strange how I was just thinking about Soylent Green. I know this isn’t eating them but still… If they are willing to do this, just think of what else they might do, or may even already be doing.



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Lethys
Strange how I was just thinking about Soylent Green. I know this isn’t eating them but still… If they are willing to do this, just think of what else they might do, or may even already be doing.


Well, if you keep reading the article I linked you will find that they do other things too with the body parts of executed prisoners, which as I have reported in the past include pro-democratic Chinese, and even some religious Chinese that the Chinese government decides are a threat to the state.

You can find this statement from a former Chinese military physician, Wang Guoqi. These practices are approved and done with the consent and blessings from the Chinese government, which controls everything.


In June 2001, Wang Guoqi, a Chinese former military physician, told US congressmen he had worked at execution grounds helping surgeons to harvest the organs of more than 100 executed prisoners, without prior consent. The surgeons used converted vans parked near the execution grounds to begin dissecting the bodies, he told the house international relations committee's human rights panel.


Excerpted from above link.



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posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 12:20 AM
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Here is another link, and excerpt with more information about this inhuman practice.


At the hearing Members and Witnesses also discussed the merits of House Resolution 2030, a bill proposed by Rep. Ros-Lithnen to ban the issuance of visas to Chinese physicians who wish to enter the United States for purposes of training in transplantation of organs or tissues.

Unique and compelling testimony by Dr. Wang Guoqi relayed the story of his experience with harvesting skin , kidneys, corneas and other tissues from over 100 executed prisoners. Mr. Wang also told of one instance of a botched execution in which surgeons removed kidneys from a prisoner who was still alive after the execution shot him. ¡°This event has tortured my conscience to no end,¡± said Dr. Wang.

Dr. Thomas Diflo, Director of Renal Transplantation at the New York University Medical Center testified regarding his treatment of half a dozen Chinese-Americans who sought follow-up care in his offices after receiving transplants in China from organs harvested from executed prisoners. Dr. Diflo first went public with his story in an article in New York¡¯s Village Voice in May 2001. ¡°This obviously represents a significant breach of medical ethics for these doctors, in that the primary tenet of our profession, to do no harm, is violated on a continuous and ongoing basis,¡± said Dr. Diflo in regards to Chinese doctors who participate in the harvesting of organs from executed prisoners. ¡°The rumors and allegations about the use of prisoners¡¯ organs in China are unequivocally true,¡± said Diflo.


Excerpted from.
www.laogai.org...

Here is a link to the article of New York's the Village Voice.
China’s Execution, Inc.
The People’s Republic Has Long Been Suspected of Selling Organs From Prisoners. Now One New York Doctor Knows the Rumors Are True.




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posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 12:28 AM
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THis is truly the "Evil Empire" that Reagan spoke of during his presidency :shk: So where are all the pro Chinese propaganda agents that populate other threads? Its one thing to donate your organs willingly, its another to be executed by the state then have your parts sold off to the higest bidder. No doubt this is something Dr. Mengela would have approved of



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 12:44 AM
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The prisoner is already dead.

A patient in dire need of an organ is not.

To deny a patient the right to live because you don't want to see a murderer (who, once again, is already dead) dissected is every bit as ethically dubious an action as taking the convict's organ in the first place... but only one of these two courses of action could potentially save a life.

It is my understanding that physicians are bound by oath to provide the best possible care to their patients; if I am incorrect in this presumption, then by all means please set the record straight.



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 01:00 AM
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ok, so the prisoner is dead.
WHY, is the prisoner dead? religion? politics? a "murderer"?
And also, who is profitting? is it the family of the dead prisoner?

So, is it really ok?
It's inexcusable



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by The Parallelogram
The prisoner is already dead.

A patient in dire need of an organ is not.

To deny a patient the right to live because you don't want to see a murderer (who, once again, is already dead) dissected is every bit as ethically dubious an action as taking the convict's organ in the first place... but only one of these two courses of action could potentially save a life.

It is my understanding that physicians are bound by oath to provide the best possible care to their patients; if I am incorrect in this presumption, then by all means please set the record straight.


Please re-read the article, as the main point of it is discussing the use of deceased prisoners skin for lip and wrinkle treatment BEAUTY products. The skin is not being used for people who are in dire need of it.

The other organs used would have a good chance of being contaminated, as the prisoners may or may not have had diseases. And I am sure the organs are not handled with the care you would find in a hospital. That is for sure!

[edit on 9-15-2005 by CPYKOmega]



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 01:09 AM
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In defense of Parallelogram
Organ transplants were referenced in this thread.



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by Lethys
Strange how I was just thinking about Soylent Green. I know this isn’t eating them but still… If they are willing to do this, just think of what else they might do, or may even already be doing.


Hey Lethys, you beat me to the SG reference. That is the first thing that I thought of while reading this story. You are correct. They are already on the slippery slope. It won't take much of a population shove to send them on down.



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by The Parallelogram
The prisoner is already dead.


You can read from the statements by the former Chinese military doctor that he witnessed at least one prisoner who was alive and the procedure was done to him when he was still alive....


Originally posted by The Parallelogram
A patient in dire need of an organ is not.

To deny a patient the right to live because you don't want to see a murderer (who, once again, is already dead) dissected is every bit as ethically dubious an action as taking the convict's organ in the first place... but only one of these two courses of action could potentially save a life.

It is my understanding that physicians are bound by oath to provide the best possible care to their patients; if I am incorrect in this presumption, then by all means please set the record straight.


There have been testimonies and there is also the reports from Amnesty International which state that several people are executed for lesser crimes. The reasons for execution include being pro-democratic, being a member from certain religious groups and even people who are taken off the streets, accused of crimes and executed because their blood type is the same as a rich patient that is willing to pay anything for an organ transplant.

Let's see some evidence of this practice.


Michael E. Parmly, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
Hearing Before the Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights, House International Relations
Washington, DC
June 27, 2001


Chairwoman Ros-Lehtinen and Members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear at this important hearing to address the issue of the sale of human organs in China. The removal of organs from executed prisoners without proper permission from family members along with the trafficking in these organs is a serious, deeply disturbing subject that raises a number of profoundly important human rights issues. The State Department welcomes the opportunity to update the committee on our assessment of the problem and what the Department is doing to encourage China to put an end to this abhorrent practice.

As you know, reports of Chinese authorities removing organs from executed prisoners in China, without the consent of the prisoners or their families, are not new. The Hong Kong and London press carried the numerous reports as early as the mid-1980s, when the introduction of the drug Cyclosoporine-A made transplants a newly viable option for patients.

Our concern about such practices is also not new. We repeatedly raised this issue with high-level Chinese officials throughout the 1990s, pressing for changes in Chinese policy and practice, and urging changes in China’s legal and medical systems to ensure the protection of individual rights and the guarantee of due process. We have also covered the issue of organ harvesting in our annual human rights report on China to put the spotlight of international attention on this issue.
We consider organ harvesting from executed prisoners, without permission from family members, to be an egregious human rights abuse that violates not only international human rights law, but also international medical ethical standards.

Unfortunately, despite our efforts, as well as those of human rights activists like Harry Wu, human rights organizations, and concerned medical professionals, the practice of harvesting organs from executed prisoners continues in China. The lack of transparency in the Chinese criminal justice system, the secrecy that surrounds prison executions, and the removal of organs make actual documentation of the practice impossible. However, the anecdotal and circumstantial evidence regarding the practice of removing organs from executed prisoners for sale to foreigners and wealthy Chinese is substantial, credible, and growing. It cannot be ignored. Credible sources include public statements by patients who have had transplants in China, doctors who have provided post-transplant care to these patients in the United States and elsewhere, and testimony by Chinese doctors and former officials who claim to have witnessed or taken part in such practices or to have seen incriminating evidence.

In the past, according to available evidence, the majority of patients receiving transplants in China came from other parts of Asia, including Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, and Thailand. A leading kidney specialist in Malaysia has estimated that over 1000 Malaysians alone have had kidney transplants in China. More recently, deeply troubling reports of Americans receiving transplants in China have been made public. American doctors, including Dr. Thomas Diflo, who will be testifying in a later panel, have reported seeing transplant patients from China in need of follow-up care. These patients have stated that they were informed by hospital personnel in China that the organs that they received came from executed prisoners.

The Department of State is also aware of reports that it cannot independently confirm, of other, even more egregious practices, such as removing organs from still-living prisoners, and scheduling executions to accommodate the need for particular organs. In addition, there are compelling first-hand reports that doctors, in violation of medical ethics codes, have performed medical procedures to prepare condemned prisoners for execution and organ removal. As former Assistant Secretary John Shattuck testified before this committee in 1998, our concern about the abhorrent practice of removing organs from executed prisoners without consent is compounded by our concerns about the lack of due process. According to Amnesty International there were 1,263 confirmed executions in 1999; according to another report 800 prisoners were executed in May 2001 alone as the government conducted another "strike hard" campaign against crime. A high court nominally reviews all death sentences, but as our Country Report on Human Rights Practices points out, and as a recent New York Times article graphically described, the time between arrest and execution is often days or even hours. Some prisoners are taken directly from the courtroom to the execution grounds. Appeals of sentences consistently result in confirmation of sentence.


Excerpted from.
www.state.gov...


Let's see some more information on this issue.


1984 Rule in China Concerning Organ Donation:
In 1984, China enforced the “Rules Concerning the Utilization of Corpses or Organs for the Corpses of Executed Prisoners.”2 The rule provided “that corpses or organs of executed prisoners could be harvested if no one claimed the body, if the executed prisoner volunteered to have his corpse so used, or if the family consented.”3 China has zero tolerance for crime. The death penalty is obviously legal in China, but what constitutes a crime punishable by death? Amnesty International researcher, Arlette Leduguie, claims that, “criminals are executed for minimal offenses.”4 “In the past years, individuals have been executed for demeanors that would barely justify a custodial sentence elsewhere, pig stealing, or theft, for instance.”5 Amnesty International asserts that the Chinese government is performing executions to expand the organ trade from executed prisoners. According to witnesses in China, criminals are regularly examined to select matches for waiting patients.6 “One prisoner, during his seven year jail term, told how he saw numerous prisoners being medically prepared for organ removal. On the night before the execution, the prison staff would take blood samples.”7

According to David E. Jefferies in his article titled, "The body as a commodity: The use of markets to cure the organ deficit," a Chinese government document explains the procedures used in the extraction of executed prisoners organs generates between 2,000 and 3,000 human organs sold per year out of an estimated 4,500 executed prisoners.8 Amnesty International reports that, “China put more than 1,200 individuals to death in 1999.”9 These figures translate into an average of over forty people per week.10 The explanation for the elevated number of executed prisoners is directly related to the current Chinese Communist Party leaders' decisions to eliminate crime in China. A South China Morning Post article claims that "The executions come after leading law enforcer Luo Gan urged police to strike hard to smash blackness and wipe out evil."11 The rising criminal activity in China is from higher unemployment rates and inflation due to economic development and reform. The Chinese government wants to extinguish crime before it becomes endemic.


Excerpted from.
www.american.edu...


Now let' see a more recent article about this issue which is still ocurring in China.


Guangzhou Hospitals Transplanting Organs From Executed Prisoners

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By Fang Yuan
Radio Free Asia

Apr 06, 2005


Where are the greatest number of successful kidney and liver transplants performed in China? The first and third hospitals affiliated with Guangzhou Zhongshan University, respectively. The first hospital affiliated with the university is one of the largest hospitals in Mainland China.
As the hospitals’ success rates for transplant operations has continually increased, so has the business of providing organs for transplantation, according to the China Information Center in the U.S. This has led to the recent construction of a liver treatment center. However, this success is tainted by an alarming reality – the hospitals have been transplanting organs from recently executed prisoners.

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The China Information Center in the U.S. quoted some hospital personnel who disclosed that taking kidneys and livers from executed prisoners for use in transplantation has always been an “open secret” within the hospital. If the hospitals depended solely on voluntary organ donations and did not obtain organs from prisoners, the number of organs available for transplant would fall far short of the demand. Although Chinese law prohibits transplanting organs from condemned prisoners, the report says that the hospitals work in tandem with the local judicial departments.

In recent years, relatives of some executed prisoners have been suing the hospitals for illegal use of their relative’s organs. In June 2001, Wang Guoqi, a doctor at the Burn Unit of the Tianjin Paramilitary Police General Brigade Hospital before moving to the U.S., testified before Congress that he had removed corneas and skin from recently executed prisoners on at least 100 occasions. He said that he had also witnessed other doctors from the hospital selecting organs from prisoner’s bodies and later selling them for profit. Afterwards, a spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry said that Dr. Wang’s testimony slandered China. Nevertheless, a series of facts has proven that some of the organs transplanted in China were indeed taken from recently executed prisoners.

Zeng Xianzi, a wealthy Hong Kong merchant and member of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, received a kidney transplant six years ago at the Guangzhou Zhongshan University’s first hospital. The kidney that he received was taken from the body of an executed prisoner — but for “sensitive political reasons,” nobody dared to make the public aware of this incident.


Excerpted from.
english.epochtimes.com...


Prisoner Organs
The Harvesting of Kidneys and Other Organs From Executed Prisoners in China Receives a Senate Airing
by CD&N Editors
Winter, 2001
For nearly 20 years, since the advent of the immunosuppressant agent cyclosporine A, there have been reports of an international network for the buying and selling of human organs, but no one has been sure as to how prevalent the practice has been. China has been the country most mentioned in this regard.

“A Bullet to the Back of the Head”

According to a news release from the Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights of the US House of Representatives’ Committee on International Relations, as many as 90% of the transplants performed in China utilize organs harvested from prisoners executed by a bullet to the back of the head. Amnesty International reports that some of these prisoners are executed for crimes no more serious than pro-democracy activism or tax evasion.


Excerpted from.
www.ikidney.com...

A report i gave not too long ago stated that even people are being tortured and executed for being from certain religious groups.

Even a figure I gave in that report, saying that 600 people are executed a year in China, is way off mark according to Amnesty International.


09.02.2005 - Amnesty International (AI): Significant rise in executions in the past few months, reported; there are concerns that a number of those executed may have been innocent

“Amnesty International has monitored a significant rise in executions as China celebrates the lunar new year. According to incomplete statistics, there were 200 executions reported in the two weeks leading up to the start of the lunar new year, 9 February.
There were at least 650 executions reported in local media in the months of December and January alone. Both months are considered to be ‘normal’, without the peaks seen around certain public holidays, although the true figure is certainly much higher, as China refuses to publish full details of all the people it executes.


Excerpted from.
news.amnesty.org...$FILE/newsrelease.pdf


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posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
In defense of Parallelogram
Organ transplants were referenced in this thread.


The main point of the thread is about the Chinese government harvesting of dead prisoners' skins for use in beauty products, but when Lethys made a statement of what else could they do if this was done, i provided more links and evidence of other....practices the Chinese government performs with the organs of dead prisoners. Do notice that prisoners are executed for being pro-democratic, for belonging to certain religious groups, tax evation, and other lesser crimes as proven by the articles given.

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posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:01 AM
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Ok now, you folks know I'm all in favor of recycling, but can't we all agree that this is carrying it just a tad too far?



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:09 AM
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Where in hell did you come up with this info Muaddib?--This is just gross. Makes me wonder if any lamp shades or other exotic things are being made.

I thought the story of the 11 kids (some in cages at night) got my emotions stirred up, but this just takes the cake. How in the world can the countries of the West ever deal with a government that would sanction this? It is totally repugnant.

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posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:19 AM
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Muaddib, yeah ok.
Do notice that I noticed that too, in my other previous post.

Anyway, unless it's explicitly on the label of ingredients:
Lanolin, beeswax, natural colors, sum yung guy.

It doesn't belong in ANY product that can be absorbed by the human body.
I'm a little afraid to bring it up, but there is the matter of prions and such.
It's plain disgusting and unhealthy.



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:22 AM
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Speechless.

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I will never understand this.

Never...



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:34 AM
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I am only defending the validity of post-mortem organ transplants from executed criminals as an ethically viable action; I never said that the Chinese officials described in that particular article were going about this in precisely the right way. China hasn't exactly got a stellar human rights track record anyway, have they?

The issue of capital punishment is an entirely different discussion; maybe it wouldn't exist in a perfect world, but that world wouldn't include serial killers or child rapists, either. The fact of the matter is that we have dead criminals on the one hand, and people in dire need of a deceased person's organs on the other, and that nothing so trite as a 'yuck factor' should dissuade us from bringing the two together.



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Astronomer68
Where in hell did you come up with this info Muaddib?--This is just gross. Makes me wonder if any lamp shades or other exotic things are being made.

I thought the story of the 11 kids (some in cages at night) got my emotions stirred up, but this just takes the cake. How in the world can the countries of the West ever deal with a government that would sanction this? It is totally repugnant.


I have presented some of this info in the past in here, and now that I work as a field engineer in the middle of nowhere and my shifts are for 12 hours or more with not much to do except looking at my monitors once in a while to check that everything is alright, i have more than enough time for making these reports.



posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by The Parallelogram
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The issue of capital punishment is an entirely different discussion; maybe it wouldn't exist in a perfect world, but that world wouldn't include serial killers or child rapists, either. The fact of the matter is that we have dead criminals on the one hand, and people in dire need of a deceased person's organs on the other, and that nothing so trite as a 'yuck factor' should dissuade us from bringing the two together.


You are not seeing the whole picture of this, many of these people are not criminals at all, they are pro-democratic, they belong to certain religious groups, or some of these people's only crime is that their blood type is the same as some rich man/woman who wants to live and pays the Chinese government for an organ implant.

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posted on Sep, 15 2005 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by The Parallelogram
I am only defending the validity of post-mortem organ transplants from executed criminals as an ethically viable action; I



Parallelogram

Aside from collagen and corneas and a few other items, can you tell me any major organ system that can be transplanted after the patient has died?

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Thats right NONE. Heart, lungs, kidneys, pancreas, liver, small bowel, lung etc etc require that the donor be alive at the time of harvesting. Brain dead yes, but the organs have to be working and perfused prior to thier being harvesting, you cannot go to the morgue and yank out what you need.

This is just one step below harvesting from living patients / prisoners / political dissidents without thier permission.


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