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posted on Sep, 17 2005 @ 11:19 PM
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there was flooding and damage to the Michoud facility, also the NASA/old military facility and a part used by Entergy for Waterford III spent fuel storage. Michoud is located in the central area of NO. This facility also has a civilian contracted area to create the weapons we use in iraq with depleted uranium in them.

The Michoud facility has a long history of contaminated soil based on records I've found, beyond soil, some of the buildings there were damaged in the way of Katrina with both wind damage and flood damage. I highly doubt we're going to get a real honest answer about the conditions there but I'm still reading into it beyond what NASA has to say.

As for flooding at the Waterford III site, from the information above you can see there was a fire across the way at the Norco Shell Refinary. Based on the fact that all satellite images do not allow current access to these areas including the flood water map, and because Norco Shell also took in excess spent fuel from the Waterford III plant....I see both possible water and air contamination in just these two cases. I've also found a few things that should have been available online but were clearly not available anymore. I've taken screen shots of this including screen shots of a lot of important pictures/maps/etc. A lot of the information I've gathered comes from articles/news prior to Hurricane Katrina and then there is no mention in any recent news articles as you would imagine.

I have a lot of information about the Bush Admin and their dealings with Entergy Corp. which includes illegal activities.

I've also found SIEMENS ENERGY & AUTOMATION INC. in the way of Katrina's path was also a place for uranium storage.

I have to gather all of this together and continue researching, I'm looking for a place to post it all in order with links provide for all information gathered. I literally have hundreds of articles/links, photos, and screen shots here to go back and start finding them right this moment I'd rather just get it all up online somewhere. Do you know of a place I can host this, such as a good political type related blogspace with a lot of readers or webhosting? I'd rather just do a blog somewhere because I don't want to get into designing a website right now but I am able to do that if necessary.

From everything I've read and seen thus far there does in fact seem to be a lot of information the public is not being made aware of since Katrina's landfall which is absolutely necessary to the health of those in the areas if not across the US.

I've spent days and days on this now, I know a lot of this isn't making sense to some but once I get it up somewhere in a nice orderly fashion it will be very clear. I'm still looking into a few more facts about specific companies and locations, I figure by 1 or 2 more days I will be completely finished.


Please just keep in mind that I'm not going to find a news article from Entergy corp. saying "hey check out our damage" but I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are lying and covering up for themselves and by tomorrow or the following day I believe I will be finished with this. Please also note that Entergy Corp. is already an interest of Judicial Watch Org. in Washington DC





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posted on Sep, 17 2005 @ 11:48 PM
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I agree...

It's alot of informatoin to digest but unless the mods or Admins order the flow of info to slow down, I'm going to keep reading what you bring us, XGovGirl.



posted on Sep, 17 2005 @ 11:50 PM
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Mirlin,

I think the capacity to get concrete proof is probably going to take awhile. It's amazing how fast stuff can be taken off a computer. Not long ago, a patient's CT scan was misread in our hospital. The therapy for the misdiagnosis was started in the ED and the patient transfered to our unit. I was the nurse assigned. 40 minutes after arrival, the patient was in a life threatening situation, had to be coded and transfered to ICU. The specialist who had assumed his care had read the CT and noted the misdiagnosis. He was not aware the treatment had been started until the patient went abruptly into the consequences. By the time we went to check the computer report, about 30 - 45 minutes after the code, it could not be accessed.

The circumstantial and other supporting evidence gives what I see as a major refocus on what happened, what didn't happen, what's happening now and the ultimate WHY?

And I have to wonder how far down the line this part of the scenario was/is known? Was Nagin kept out of the loop? Was it just assumed to be too big a mess to prepare for? Are they also not sure if there was or was not nuclear contamination and to what extent?

Lotsa questions, answers pending.



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by XGovGirl
there was flooding and damage to the Michoud facility, also the NASA/old military facility and a part used by Entergy for Waterford III spent fuel storage.


Please provide more definite proof that spent fuel rods from Waterford were stored at Michoud.





Norco Shell also took in excess spent fuel from the Waterford III plant....


Please provide more definite proof that spent fuel rods from Waterford were stored at Norco Shell.

On your the post on the last page with the list from tox maps

the following two sites are also listed

115. COCA-COLA USA

117. DIXIE BREWING CO. INC.

Were they also storing spent fuel from Waterford?




Now if Entergy has had an ongoing spent fuel storage issue, why not think it's offsite.


Because it would have been illegal and impossible to move the fuel without someone figuring out that it was illegal.



The fact they were the only ones allowed to respond to fires makes me believe there was 100% something wrong.


Why is it unusual that the gas company wants to handle gas leaks?

From the entergy site

What to do for gas fires:
Natural gas fires are best extinguished by shutting off the source of the gas at the appliance supply valve or at the main gas valve. If you put out the gas fire with an extinguisher before the gas supply is shut off, the unignited gas could accumulate and explode.


Makes sense to me.



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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You're not interested in the info. in this thread anyway so why do you continue to try to shead negativity on the idea and discredit it?Clearly from a few pages back you do not want to even think about this being a possibility.

I don't feel an obligation to you specifically because you don't seem to want to consider it anyway, but just to prove you wrong:





Please provide more definite proof that spent fuel rods from Waterford were stored at Michoud.


You're kidding right? Michoud being an old army military facility, the place that barge recovery workers from NASA use, a bomb weapon factory, that question isn't even a question.

I have a bunch of docs on this but really who even needs those, why else would Waterford III rent space there is the question you should ask yourself
BTW my father also does the barge runs for NASA, if we were on talking terms I would probably just give him a call to hear first hand but due to the amount of info available about the Michoud plant online I don't think that call is necessary.

There is plenty of info. online about Michoud, their history of ground soil contamination, this plant has been used since the 40's-50's for weapons production and you don't believe there is any prior-existing nuclear waste contamination that could have leaked into the waterways. It was flooded, so that is already a given. As for the spent fuel pools there, it is just a matter of finding out what buildings were damaged. Will this ever be available for the public? Highly doubt that, but this will all come to light down the road once they can't hide it from the public anymore, and once this happens you better be your pants that they are going to play dumb.
Saving all of these articles and documents over here will prevent them from being able to play dumb once this all comes to light and it is all said and done. Those responsible will have accountability for they knew from the beginning.

Curious why you would question Michoud? I suppose you also believe we don't use depleted uranium in our weapons in Iraq either right? Go to yahoo and type Michoud and start from there, it has a long interesting history in itself.

Do you really think NASA or any govt. official is going to point this out to the public now? It is also off from a highly populated area. Let alone does the public know every bit of information about what goes on at a military instillation will we know every bit of information about what happened to that facility during Katrina beyond yet another "don't worry everything is fine, just a little structural and flooding damage but we're a-ok here"





Please provide more definite proof that spent fuel rods from Waterford were stored at Norco Shell.



"the Norco facility has been authorized to handle small quantities of radioactive material for calibration purposes since at least the mid-1970s. Officials have emphasized throughout the history of the company that they never handled anything beyond such small quantities, which they equate to what would be found in a dentist's office. The company has been allowed as much as 660 pounds of depleted uranium, which is the spent fuel from nuclear power generation and is considered minimally radioactive.



Were they also storing spent fuel from Waterford?



I'm not finding the humor in that Coca-Cola comment especially after days of researching this. I am not stupid and I feel like you are implying that I am. Start reading up on the companies and a good way to search is by typing the company in and typing "spent fuel" in quotes, you can also type the company and type "entergy" in quotes next to it, or type in quotes "waterford", yahoo: "norco" "waterford" "spent fuel" and you can begin to see how very intertwined a bunch of these big money makers are.



Because it would have been illegal and impossible to move the fuel without someone figuring out that it was illegal.




Wrong again, it is not illegal. Just years back the Nuclear Reg. Commission started giving Premission to plants to allow for off site assemblies and storage. I'm a bit too lazy at the moment to quote this
but I believe it was back in the thread here. It isn't illegal, as long as
there are premissions made to the storage companies, such as the Norco
company above and a few other places Waterford was using.





Why is it unusual that the gas company wants to handle gas leaks?



It is unusual that they are the ONLYcompany allowed to go in there first to assess damages from the beginning. Especially when the damages alone their own plant could cause could risk the health of the entire public.

You see Entergy does absolutely no specific coverage of their Waterford III plant until days and days after Katrina. Anything they posted from the beginning (and I have this all saved) says there was "no damage", if you checked their website updates "no damage", but fortunately some of their employees slipped up in numerous places and there are plenty of news articles to talk about the more specific "damages" that they denied from the start even existed.

I don't believe this company would post up a huge notice on their website:


"We've been storing our excess Spent fuel rods because we are one of the biggest producers, the Nuclear Reg. Commission backed us and allowed for us to increase our capacity a while ago, and because of this we've been storing excess spent fuel all over highly populated areas of New Orleans.

Not only that we here at Entergy Corp. just extinguished a fire that was burning from the moment Hurricane Katrina hit until September 1st. That fire was located at a place we like to hide some of our excess spent fuel rods...... oh yeah and by the way that large explosion downtown you heard was also our responsibility too. But don't worry folks...... there is NO DAMAGE, have a nice day"




Makes sense to me.



You sure?



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Ginny in CO
It's amazing how fast stuff can be taken off a computer.


Boy did you pin that right on the head! There have been a lot of questions that arose for me and some very important ones were cut off at the gate. Just some things here and there that led me in a direction that I felt was important and then wow, a page was moved. Not to get too paranoid about anything but it is just funny when you're thinking about something and look for the info. to back it up and somehow it's not there anymore






I think the most important thing that could come of this (not being able to get cold hard evidence) could be enough information to demand for outside government testing to be done. I've already contacted Judicial Watch who have had Entergy Corp. on their list for a while. I'm unsure if that is a proper outlet, but if all of these docs can be saved and backed up, the most it could really do would be to prevent a way for those who covered it to say "we didn't know" because everything would support that they did in fact know from the beginning. That would be a very harsh consequence if it comes to light.

It's hard to say "here look at this" without actually getting someone in there to test the air and water quality near these locations and with the EPA clearly in some of this, it looks as if they were cut off from specific areas and such. I see OSHA is in there as well, but if we can demand for some outside testing to be done, that might be the best bet.

After it is all said and done if it does come out as factual based on the samples, then you can prove that Bush himself was in on this, with the big guys at Entergy Corp, along with some specific FEMA employees. Anyone who rushed off to the Indian Point plant immediately after Hurricane Katrina kind of gave the whole thing away. Anyone that knows Indian Point would say that was really a strange move. I believe one man questioned about this from FEMA in one of my articles could pin him down as lying as well.




This could also prevent Entergy and Bush actually profiting off of this situation all together if it comes to light and all this speculation is correct. Like with Halliburton, Bush seems to have his own personal monetary stake in so much of the negativity that has taken place over the years. This time it would mean they were covering themselves up even at the risk of health effects to SO MANY!



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 11:28 AM
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These two links alone say so much all by themselves and give a reason for the "coverup"


Hurricane Katrina good for Bush & Entergy Corp - USNEWS


Dear. Mr. Bush & your dealings with Entergy Corp from 2000



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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Hmm some more interesting info from NOAA, river flooding information about the town of Hanhville is no longer there and moved as well.



I see a big history of old flooding to that area from the river, one past hurricane, and one flash flood, interesting to learn if this area is a commonly flooded area. This would lead me to believe it is a bad place for a nuclear power plant to begin with. No wonder they had dead pelicans near the plant.


I'm having a bit of trouble finding out specifically what areas were flooded, you have to read between the lines in a lot of the eyewitness accounts.
It seems some areas of St. Charles Parish were flooded (which had to come from the river), the TOWN (not company) of Norco received flooding which would lead you to believe the Norco plant sitting on the river would also receive flooding and even more possibly the Waterford Nuclear plant that sits across the river as well. Here are some things I've found interesting, some areas were not so bad off but other areas were flooded/damaged.


From an employee of the red cross saying Hahnville overall did alright on the flooding issue. But how far into town was she talking about.



"The couple are volunteers with the American Red Cross. They left Utah Aug. 29, and arrived in Little Rock, Ark. -- about 1,500 miles from home -- three days later. From there, they were dispatched to Hahnville in St. Charles Parish -- another 425 miles.

"There's a lot of destruction," Vicki Watts said."




"Hahnville, in southern Louisiana, is an area of bayous, blues and boudin -- the ubiquitous southern Louisiana sausage. It was spared the worst of the flooding washed ashore by Hurricane Katrina.

Evacuated New Orleans residents, however, have been pouring into town. Others have simply walked from flooded parts of St. Charles Parish. All are brought to a staging area at Eual Landry School in Hahnville.
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More about the company Norco/Shell that sits on the river in the town of Norco below.

Clearly there were damages, flooding and fire? as seen in the fire map above? That is still in consideration as to WHAT was on fire based on that fire map from August 31. That would mean a fire was most likely taking place from the time Hurricane Katrina hit until Sept. 1st. There was no fire indicated after Sept. 1st. But there was fire indicated there prior to Sept. 1st. How come we don't know what was on fire? Being so close to the Nuclear Plant I believe there should be SOMETHING in the news about what was on fire, am I wrong?

But why would Norco not mention anything about fire in any news article I can find. Did the Norco factory have a fire somewhere, and if so where the East or West facility, and why is it not being addressed at all in the news are some questions at hand. Possibly it wasn't even the Norco factory, but this is a "what if" question. Based on the fire maps it seems it could have only been the Norco East or West facility.


The only thing from the fire map above looks to be the Norco East or West facility, but what was on fire is the question.


Also keep in mind how close the Waterford III plant sits from the company Norco/Shell in the town of Norco, LA. Just across the river. You can look at the information about surrounding towns near the river and assume if there was flooding in those areas, there must have also been flooding to Waterford III plant as well which sits upon the same river that was overflowing.



Just some more interesting info.



"Valero Energy Corp. said its St. Charles refinery in Norco, La., which has capacity of 260,000 barrels a day, might not be restarted for another two weeks, but other big refiners in the region have yet to report the impact on their own facilities."




"Marathon said over the weekend that its Garyville, La., refinery west of New Orleans should be fully operational early this week. Valero said it's still hoping to restart this week its St. Charles refinery about 15 miles from New Orleans."






"08.31.2005, 07:04 AM Access to the Motiva Norco refinery and Shell Norco chemical facilities in Louisiana and the Shell Mobile chemical plant in Alabama remains limited. These facilities are still shut while Shell checks for damages." www.forbes.com...





Who would really questioning nuclear contamination when the whole country is focused on oil production. It is a good question really. Being that Entergy is the company that produces all the spent fuel, uranium in the area, it just leads me to believe that some questions need to be answered. If you look, they don't address anything concerning those
areas of interest. They seem to draw attention away from it all together.




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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 12:48 PM
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XGovGirl, you have provided more than enough information for more questions to be answered on this subject. One thing bugs me about the contamination issues in NO. It's this:




Dallas Meeting Plans
N.O. Rebuilding -
Without Poor Blacks
By Wayne Madsen
9-11-5


Dallas meeting plans reconstruction of New Orleans without poor African Americans. According to well-informed New Orleans sources, New Orleans' wealthiest families, including those who are direct descendants of the French who settled New Orleans (not the Acadians [Cajuns] who were poor refugees from British tyranny in Nova Scotia) are meeting in Dallas today with Bush administration officials, New Orleans city officials, wealthy Texas oilmen, and bankers to plan for the reconstruction of New Orleans. These wealthy New Orleans residents live in the gated community of Audobon Place, a section of the city near the Garden District replete with personal helipads that still has running water and sewage and was only slightly affected by hurricane Katrina. It is now reportedly being patrolled by private Israeli security forces. Yesterday's Wall Street Journal ran a piece with more details on this story.

The Dallas meeting focused on rebuilding and re-zoning New Orleans without the "criminal element," a code word for the city's poor African American community.

These New Orleans residents have been scattered across the United States and are now under the control of FEMA. There is an understanding by the wealthy New Orleans elite that the poor will never be able to return. The Journal reported that the person who chaired the Dallas meeting was Jimmy Riess, one of the wealthy New Orleans elite who also served as Mayor Ray Nagin's Chairman of the Regional Transit Authority, which is in charge of the city's buses, trolleys, and trains. New Orleans sources report that public transportation was purposely not used to evacuate the poor New Orleans residents as a means to depopulate the poorer and more flood-prone sections of the city.


If there is radiation exposure, they'd certainly want that information contained and sanitized, ASAP. If it is not, they still have plans to move ahead with rebuilding NO and changing it's demographics. Nagin is moving 180,000 of NO's most affluent residents back in this week, according to a News Conference last week. That doesn't bode well if containment of powerplant facilities were flooded OR containment was breached in some way.


Oh, and being an IT professional, I know full well how easy it is to remove and destroy data from computers, so I was already paranoid about that and asked for more data from you for that reason, not to challenge your research or info. I support your efforts and am digesting all this data as quickly as my limited human storage capacity allows...



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 01:25 PM
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edit i had to re-read that

grr ignore this i dont know about only the rich moving back in so what i just wrote here goes against this


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To address why they would move people back in if there were a risk and to
completely wipe out the idea that they would care at all. Take a look at the history of the people in New Orleans and their ongoing protest about their homes being built around contamination and toxins.

The fact that the govt. never gave a damn from the start, leads me to the idea that they wouldn't care about moving the residents back in there as fast as possible now.

In fact, it would work in their favor, you know those big guys who would much rather they moved back into the waste area since they did so well in it for so long anyway.

Keep the contamination quaranteened to the people that lived around it in the first place, that's what I think. Total disregard for human lives when so much money is at stake.



Checkout this company conveniently located in St. Charles Parish,
what a joke:

Bio Tech Emergency Crime Scene Cleanup Service St. Charles Parish



And cool look others seem to be bringing up the issue now as well, look here:

www.metafilter.com...



Check this out


CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina victims." ...
www.cnn.com...

HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.




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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 01:33 PM
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about that merlin, if only a few big guys know (bush, entergy, and the fema guys who headed to indian point nuclear plant right after hurricane katrina....that would mean this is being covered up to everyone including the rich. st charles parish started moving back in. who tested the water, air and soil there??? not the EPA at least not yet)


What I think is while this was all unfolding, Entergy Corp. heads probably spoke with Bush if there was any damage (being they are so buddy buddy)
and that sparked Bush, some FEMA heads and Entergy Corp. to rush up to the Indian Point plant because of its geographic features being so close to the features of the Waterford III plant. There was a hurricane heading up north, Ophilia and this might spark some interest to prevent whatever damage that occured with Hurricane Katrina to not occur with Hurricane Ophilia. Call me crazy but I think its just a few top guys that know what happened with Entergy.

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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 01:55 PM
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This guy "Kirk Whitworth" of the Homeland Security Department .....being one of the "big guys" involved because I fail to believe they were just following their "routine inspections" rushing off to Indian Point plant.


All of a sudden interest by them after hurricane Katrina to rush up there when the govt didn't care about Indian Point before Katrina. Why the interest in the nuclear power plants at all if there wasn't something to be worried about with Waterford III?



"A call to FEMA's press office in Washington, D.C., was not immediately returned."

"The plane with the Katrina banner was shadowed by a helicopter as it flew back and forth over the river, avoiding a restricted area. Riverkeeper spokeswoman Sara Walker said the organization did not know whose chopper it was, but when the airplane pilot landed at Brookhaven Airport in Suffolk County "he was questioned by a sheriff about who he was working for," she said.
"

"Westchester County, which has unsuccessfully demanded more financial help for the expenses incurred in devising emergency plans, isn't expecting much from the Homeland Security review, said Susan Tolchin, chief adviser to County Executive Andrew Spano. "


"After what's happened with Hurricane Katrina and FEMA, and how unhelpful they've been in the past, no, we don't expect them to be providing much help to us," she said.

www.newsday.com...




FEMA & Entergy Corp. more ties

www.thejournalnews.com.../20050913/UPDATE/509130389

www.thejournalnews.com.../20050915/UPDATE/509150426



Riverkeeper: FEMA should step aside on Indian Point emergency plans

"JONES POINT — The environmental group Riverkeeper blasted the Federal Emergency Management Agency yesterday as an organization more interested in protecting big business than the public it is supposed to serve. www.thejournalnews.com.../20050914/NEWS02/509140324/1017
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FEMA, Nuclear Reg. Commission, Entergy, Bush, all working for each other so why suspect a coverup....hmmm


Remember with this article that Entergy promised the media right before Katrina hit that they had their alarm/siren system in place before the storm and there was nothing to worry about.

So why are they checking the Indian Point alarm/siren system now? Clearly their Waterford III system failed during Hurricane Katrina. What good would the alarm system do to notify of a threat when they didn't even get in there for days.


Entergy says it will move faster to replace siren system
www.thejournalnews.com.../20050915/UPDATE/509150426



The ties between Entergy Corp. and our Govt are getting deeper by the minute. Just Homeland Security concidence or something much much bigger?



with that said! Today is my birthday and I PROMISED myself no radioactive research today LOL....although I was researching until 3am this morning and then took a cat nap somehow I have still been on this issue since I woke up this morning. Now is the time for me to keep that promise to myself and step away for a while. I'll probably be back later this evening
Hopefully others see a lot of this as just strange overall as well and I'm not the only crazy in the house here
lol.... Have a nice day...

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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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Mirlin,

Ethnic cleansing, American style? Note it's not enough that they will lose so much of their housing, let's not even use the city buses to keep them from drowning. Even my Atheist soul wants to say "Lord, have mercy".

Having slept and contemplated a bit. I have a scenario and a suggestion.

The possibility of the leak explains all the stupid delays, refusing to let people in, etc. Forgive me for wanting this to not be as bad as it could be. However, as inept as the Bush administration is, and as greedy as some of the Entergy officials are, I am wondering if THEY paniced about this and held off responding because they were trying to figure it out. ( I would think the water measurements could have been pretty conclusive but maybe not. I am also VERY fond of the idea "The difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence has its limits")

Contacting Judicial Watch was very good. Is there a knowledgable person, professor at some University, whatever. who could consider this and either give some direction for what/where to look or whether at this point it would have to start coming into the plans and the recovery efforts. To have ignored the danger before hand is unbelievable. To delay making an anouncement due to the potential panic was stupid.
To knowingly continue to put civilians in a contaminated area for recovery without any protection is criminal. To plan to rebuild and let residents back in without having this out, is delusional.

I wouldn't put most of it past BushCo. I also think it would be too big to delay an announcement this long-especially given the volunteers coming from all over the country.

This guy sounds like someone who is not willing to cover the facts - or lack there of:

Hugh Kaufman, a senior policy analyst for the Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response with 35 years of experience at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in Washington, addressed his concerns with NEWSWEEK’s Bao Ong. Excerpts:

NEWSWEEK: What do you think about the mayor of New Orleans saying he’ll reopen the city in the coming days?

Hugh Kaufman: The mayor said New Orleans will “breathe again.” Yeah, they’ll breathe bacteria, viruses and volatizing toxic chemicals. There is no environmental assessment. I mean, you can’t even make a determination of the risk factor. But more important, we don’t know what to tell the public in terms of what their risk is when they come back. The public thinks it’s safe. It’s one of the more reckless and irresponsible government decisions made in the last decade. Second only to [former EPA chief] Christie Todd Whitman after [the] World Trade towers came down [saying], “We’ve tested the air and it’s safe. So ya’ll come back.” And now [some] of the people that came back are sick as dogs.

NEWSWEEK: What do you think the government is basing its decisions on?

Hugh Kaufman: There is no environmental characterization that has been accomplished. There’s been a lot of political spin but no valid environmental assessment to determine the amount of hazardous material, bacteria and viruses that are in the air, in the muck and in the dust that the people would be exposed to 24/7 when they go back.

NEWSWEEK: Can you talk more specifically about these toxins and they risks they pose?

Hugh Kaufman: You’ve got oil and petroleum products, which have toxic constituents that have been documented to cause cancer. You have other chemicals coming from landfills and Superfund sites that haven’t been documented. You’ve documented chromium, arsenic and lead, which with some of the other toxic chemicals can cause birth defects, spontaneous abortions, illness—short term and long term—and asthma. Until a thorough assessment is completed of the three pathways—air, direct contact and ingestion of hazardous materials—until that assessment has been done, nobody can quantify how many more cancers, how many more deaths will occur down the line as a result of precipitous interaction with these hazardous and toxic materials that are ever present in that region of the country.

www.msnbc.msn.com...



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Ginny in CO
Mirlin,

Ethnic cleansing, American style? Note it's not enough that they will lose so much of their housing, let's not even use the city buses to keep them from drowning. Even my Atheist soul wants to say "Lord, have mercy".

Having slept and contemplated a bit. I have a scenario and a suggestion.

The possibility of the leak explains all the stupid delays, refusing to let people in, etc. Forgive me for wanting this to not be as bad as it could be. However, as inept as the Bush administration is, and as greedy as some of the Entergy officials are, I am wondering if THEY paniced about this and held off responding because they were trying to figure it out. ( I would think the water measurements could have been pretty conclusive but maybe not. I am also VERY fond of the idea "The difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence has its limits")

Contacting Judicial Watch was very good. Is there a knowledgable person, professor at some University, whatever. who could consider this and either give some direction for what/where to look or whether at this point it would have to start coming into the plans and the recovery efforts. To have ignored the danger before hand is unbelievable. To delay making an anouncement due to the potential panic was stupid.
To knowingly continue to put civilians in a contaminated area for recovery without any protection is criminal. To plan to rebuild and let residents back in without having this out, is delusional.

I wouldn't put most of it past BushCo. I also think it would be too big to delay an announcement this long-especially given the volunteers coming from all over the country.

This guy sounds like someone who is not willing to cover the facts - or lack there of:

Hugh Kaufman, a senior policy analyst for the Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response with 35 years of experience at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in Washington, addressed his concerns with NEWSWEEK’s Bao Ong. Excerpts:

NEWSWEEK: What do you think about the mayor of New Orleans saying he’ll reopen the city in the coming days?

Hugh Kaufman: The mayor said New Orleans will “breathe again.” Yeah, they’ll breathe bacteria, viruses and volatizing toxic chemicals. There is no environmental assessment. I mean, you can’t even make a determination of the risk factor. But more important, we don’t know what to tell the public in terms of what their risk is when they come back. The public thinks it’s safe. It’s one of the more reckless and irresponsible government decisions made in the last decade. Second only to [former EPA chief] Christie Todd Whitman after [the] World Trade towers came down [saying], “We’ve tested the air and it’s safe. So ya’ll come back.” And now [some] of the people that came back are sick as dogs.

NEWSWEEK: What do you think the government is basing its decisions on?

Hugh Kaufman: There is no environmental characterization that has been accomplished. There’s been a lot of political spin but no valid environmental assessment to determine the amount of hazardous material, bacteria and viruses that are in the air, in the muck and in the dust that the people would be exposed to 24/7 when they go back.

NEWSWEEK: Can you talk more specifically about these toxins and they risks they pose?

Hugh Kaufman: You’ve got oil and petroleum products, which have toxic constituents that have been documented to cause cancer. You have other chemicals coming from landfills and Superfund sites that haven’t been documented. You’ve documented chromium, arsenic and lead, which with some of the other toxic chemicals can cause birth defects, spontaneous abortions, illness—short term and long term—and asthma. Until a thorough assessment is completed of the three pathways—air, direct contact and ingestion of hazardous materials—until that assessment has been done, nobody can quantify how many more cancers, how many more deaths will occur down the line as a result of precipitous interaction with these hazardous and toxic materials that are ever present in that region of the country.

www.msnbc.msn.com...


I can prove from my own stand point and opinion that there was a delay in reaction. This is how I've gotten to this point. I have something to post up in one second. I just snuck back on because I wanted to share this...give me just a moment...



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 02:44 PM
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Now go have some fun and take a BREAK.

Ginny



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 02:59 PM
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I see your point Ginny. This whole thread could easily explain Val's Falls Creek experience.

Happy Birthday XGovGirl. Go have a party and eat some birthday cake. We can miss you for one day. You DO have to live, ya know.



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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If I tell people that I'm under some surveillance right now you might think I'm crazy and that is just fine.

I've had some issues over the past few weeks that took place, and there are reasons behind this but overall I've already told enough people about this just to cover my own butt and nothing more. I'm not scared or paranoid about it (I was briefly) and I've accepted it, and continued to speak OUT louder about certain things despite the idea of being under surveillance. It is for my own benefit if I speak louder and not slink away from things I've been addressing to some over the past year.

It might be a good idea to bring it up here as well, even if some discredit me or call me crazy that is fine because it is for my own protection and I believe the more people that know about me the better. Just for my own safety reasons, I really wouldn't want to just disappear and not have my information out there so once I became aware of this I've placed a lot of my information and reasoning for being, and the knowledge of my surveillance in the hands of people I know and trust. I also have a bunch of people "watching out" for me per say ....just IN CASE.

Don't think I'm some paranoid case because I'm really not, if you think so that is fine but there are reasons I would be under surveillance because I'm very vocal and I go straight for the people who do not follow rules and regulations and make it quiet clear about my knowledge of their rule breaking and how they are not above those rules.

My own case with the military was sent straight to the Secretary of the Air Force, so with that said, there are reasons for me to be under surveillance now. A few weeks prior to realizing this surveillance, I had made some direct contacts about rules not being followed to some military leaders, which brings me to this point I'm at now.

I never believed so much in "surveillance" but I guess it is more common practice then I ever imagined. I am also a nobody per say, why they give a damn about me clearly that just makes me believe they see me as a threat. I've done nothing wrong and I've already been through the ringer with them only to come out as the one who was in the right, and all information provided confirmed, I'm quiet sure they still see me as a threat.

In my honorable discharge exit from the Air Force it was made clear how "sorry" they were for the things that took place and I was offered "any job" I wanted in the Air Force and clearly it was hinted around as for me to please not to go public with my story. There were outside agencies involved and base wide briefings done about me after I was gone. I've also seen a memo about my case from the Sec. of the Air Force to the leaders of that base since then.

I've never gone public despite those who think I should have gone forward, but I have worked hard to make it clear to those involved that it is NOT acceptable and that serious changes need to be made in the future as so that it never happens to another person who walks through those doors again.

I've basically put myself in my own situation and have put myself out on the line on many occasions over the past year, but I believe in honesty and I don't believe in rule breaking. I'm also all for order, structure, supporting the military and supporting America. I believe support is more then just placing a yellow bumper sticker on your car, it is about working hard for the rights of those who took the oath and protecting their freedoms within the system.

In no way am I against anything, an anarchist type, anti-govt type, etc but I am learning a lot of things that I never understood before until now. I just believe that there are some serious problems within the structure that cannot continue to not be addressed and people cannot continue to cover-up and hide things that break the rules, for the benefit of those who take the oath, those who protect us, and those honest people within the structure that often are denied some basic human rights.

I do highly believe now in cover-ups as I was a part of one myself, you could say I was the cover-up in a lot of ways. Beyond that, I used to be very naive but with experience you learn and grow I guess. I don't have any wishes to cause problems within the structure but hope to get some positive changes made for the future... that is all. In this, if I'm seen as a "threat" per say, that is just too damn bad because rules were created to be abided by and not broken by so called leaders.

If I'm wrong in the idea that I'm under surveillance that is fine, I'd rather be considered a crazy then be considered someone gone missing
I've covered my ass in every way, so those "watchers" already must have the idea now that I'm not going to back down, shutup, or be quiet. I'm continuing on just as I was before I came to this realization. I have enough proof that I am under some kind of "watch" to know that it isn't just a passing paranoid idea. I didn't become nervous until I realized this, and the nervousness went on for a few days but I'm quiet frankly over it because I wont be intimidated nor will I stop fighting for truth and justice.

The officials of the military nor the government should be above any of the rules and laws we all follow everyday.



Oh yeah and the thing I want to share is actually about the delayed reaction-time frame call to order of our military troops to the Gulf Coast. Not the surveillance thing but I figured I'd throw it in here. Hopefully this thread doesn't get removed for numerous reasons.


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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 04:31 PM
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You're not crazy, XGovGirl.

The information you've posted makes sense to me. If you are under surveillance, take precautionary measures, as you have and just be aware of what's going on around you at all times. There will always be those who's desire for wealth, greed, and power will supersede any semblence of humanity. Just don't disappear. Keep posting whatever you've got.



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 05:16 PM
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XGovGirl, I have watched this post since you started it and have been very impressed with the information that you have posted. At first the caos turned me off, but then I realized that you were overwhelmed with information. I have read your posts and I hope that you are either wrong, nuts, or just putting out disinformation. I am afraid that none of those are true. Your sincerity is just too stong. I am aware that corruption runs rampant in all levels of our government and most corporations. Hang in there girl.

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Forgot to add. Don't get too upset at Howard. He's a great asset to this board and will keep you on your toes. Just answer his questions the best you can and be prepared for more questions. He is one of the best skeptics on this site and if you can answer his questions without getting frustrated, you will increase your credibility. Cite sources when possible, and don't be ashamed to admit when you have no hard proof.

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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 05:18 PM
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Thank you I hope I'm wrong too for once. Also a big thing is that I'm still learning about nuclear power plants myself, I in no way shape or form claim any kind of expertise in this matter. Research can go a long way but it does seem like those in the area of expertise like to put out just the nice and safe info. putting the concerns of the public at ease and calling it "lack of information" for them to have concerns or worries. Not wanting people to question things.

That alone frightens me in all of this reading, in a way you could say some could get away with just about anything by using that phrase "they don't know what they are talking about everything is perfectly safe" and drawing attention away from any hazards at hand.

I think that is the overall feeling here. I remember the plant on Long Island was of huge concern for so long to so many, there were pockets where those on the outskirts of the plant came down with really rare cancers most early on in their lives. So one could think there are ways around finding blame in the plants for the issues at hand, but still there is always the question of why the heck did that happen.

With this, if we end up watching events over the next few weeks and it comes out that there was nuclear contamination...specifically around the companies that come into question and the plant itself, it would be a good question to ask if the big guys knew all along. Hopefully if enough of this info. is put together in a nice orderly fashion, if info. comes out that there is in fact contamination, we just might be able to pinpoint those who had prior knowledge of it. Entergy Corp. being number one, first ones in, assessing damage and not making it aware to the govt. officials...or did they? If so then all of those public officials could go down with Entergy corp.

I guess we will just have to watch everything closely, I'm heading out the door now to dinner but later this evening I'm going to start compiling all info/links/maps/photos/screenshots/articles/logs etc. somewhere for easy reading in chronological order & for added research. If anyone has info. to add please feel free to send it to me in the person to person messages here. Thanks!



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