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O' Rhesus Negative Blood/ First Humans


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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 05:43 PM by LordBucket


Oh. Here we go:

www.physorg.com...

The red cells of people who lack all Rh antigens, an extremely rare condition, are misshapen and easily ruptured. It is believed that the Rh protein helps to maintain the flexible, flattened shape of red blood cells.

So...that protein sounds like a good thing to have. Bad news for RH- people. You could be a bad mutation.


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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 06:10 PM by redize


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If you want to say that RH- is a result of human-alien hybridization or genetic manipulation, ok...but it's certainly not neccesary to explain things

I never said it was my belief that O' Rhesus Negative are a hybrid/ genetic creation of alien races (although it could very well be possible!, nobody knows), I merely started my search with regards to my condition and happened to stumble upon that reptillian connection/ancient astronaut site and posted it as I though it was pretty interesting.


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Again...assuming that the RH- type genuinely didn't exist prior to 1940, as opposed to it having simply gone unnoticed...my question is why exactly did the entire population have a blood protein that apparantly doesn't do anything useful? Evolutionary leftover? Like a tailbone?

What entire population? Have I missed something? Isn't it estimated to be around 15% of earths population that has rh-?


Thanks for the link, it was a good read. Very informative.

p.s: Bad mutation??? Not bad.......SPECIAL!!!
What if it's not the rh- that is the mutation though? Maybe it's possible that everybody was once rh- and that through the generations it mutated into the other blood groups? No?



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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 06:59 PM by LordBucket


>I never said it was my belief that O' Rhesus Negative
>are a hybrid/ genetic creation of alien races

No...but I've read theories about it, and I just sort of assumed that anyone on a discussion board like this would at least consider the possibility. And I'm not saying that it's not the case. I'm just saying it's not the only plausible explanation.

>Isn't it estimated to be around 15% of earths population that has rh-?

...the site I looked at said 7%...but...

>What entire population? Have I missed something?

Well, I'm making some assumptions, but regardless of what the exact percentage is now...prior to 1940 there were ZERO recorded cases of RH- blood, even though blood typing had been occurring for forty years. So...I see a few possibilities:

1) Prior to WWII RH- blood did not exist. It was somehow introduced during the war.

2) It did exist prior to the war, but in only a very small percentage of the population. Small enough that it was simply "never noticed" during forty yers of blood typing.

3) RH- has always been around, and in the general population, but was never noticed because the science of blood typing hadn't progressed to a level of refinement sufficient to look for all relevant factors.

4) It was not present in the majority of the worlds population, but there was some particular racial sub-group somewhere in the world that had remained isolated until fairly recent history, and presumably didn't start interbreeding with people in the more technological parts of the world until again, fairly recently.

Two seems implausible to me. Three sounds totally reasonable...but...well...it never occurred to me until just now, so I wasn't considering it earlier in the thread. Four seems reasonable at first glance, but I was under the impression that RH- people are generally european blonde/red haired people. Not exactly a group living in isolation.

That leaves 1, which makes it sound like a recent mutation or alteration, and 3...which I'll have to look into some more.

>it was a good read. Very informative.

Thank you.

>Bad mutation??? Not bad.......SPECIAL!!!



>Maybe it's possible that everybody was once rh- and that
>through the generations it mutated into the other blood groups?

Umm...ok, yes. That seems totally reasonable...but... (and anyone please correct me if I'm horribly, totally wrong about all of this) let's try to clarify a little:

RH+ and RH- are not "blood groups."

A, B, AB and O are.

What the RH factor means, simply, is whether or not someone produces a certain protein. "Positive" meaning yes they do, "negative" meaning no they don't.

So, someone who has type O blood, may then produce, or fail to produce that protein, giving them either O+ or O- blood accordingly.

A+, A-, B+, B- Etc.

So...yes...I think it's totally reasonable to speculate that "originally" our genes had not "learned" how to produce that protein, and thus, everyone was originally RH-.

That would make RH- blood not a new thing at all, but rather an evolutionary leftover that simply hasn't quite managed to get filtered into extinction. That could be.

Actually that makes a lot of sense. That only leaves the question of why it was never noticed until 1940, which again, might break down to technological limitations, or simply that nobody was looking for that protein. Somebody with RH- blood will still identify as A, B, AB or O, because they are.

Think of it this way: If you look at me and conclude that I am white....does that tell you anything about what color my eyes are? No. You'd have to check that too.

Again, I'll have to look into it some more.


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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 08:06 PM by redize



Originally posted by LordBucket

3) RH- has always been around, and in the general population, but was never noticed because the science of blood typing hadn't progressed to a level of refinement sufficient to look for all relevant factors.

Three sounds totally reasonable...but...well...it never occurred to me until just now, so I wasn't considering it earlier in the thread.


First let me say...WOW.
That cetainly made me shut my face. That was a great post. It was well thought out, very informative and respectful of the possibilties/theories brought up in this topic. Bravo.

I absolutely agree with your third suggestion. Wasn't it around the period of the end of the war that scientists had just started studying dna, genes and blood structures anyway?

Also, I realise that somebody with rh- blood will still identify as A, B, AB or O, sorry if I missed that out and made myself look foolish.



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reply posted on 20-1-2007 @ 07:48 PM by Nygdan


From the anonymous comments section:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Is it possible for 2 people, both A+ type blood, to produce O+ children?


+/- is Rhesus factor, so a + parents can produce + offspring, yes.

The ABO factors are determined genetically. There are five basic things to remember.
A gene for Blood Type will determine your blood type.
Genes are inherited, that is, passed from parent to offspring.
Every gene has multiple 'versions'.
Every human has a double set of genes, think of it as having two 'slots' that can be filled by any of the versions of the genes that are out there.
The offspring thus needs two genes to fill their slots, and they will randomly receive either one of their parents two genes.

With human blood, there are three 'versions' of the blood type gene, there is A, B, and O. These are the versions of the genes. You will receive one of these versions from either of your parents, thus you could have both slots filled with "version A". In that case, you are also called Blood Type A. Or both can be filled with "version B", in which case you are Blood Type B. Or both can be filled with version O, in which case you are Blood Type O. You can also, incidentally, get a 'version A' from one parent, and a 'version B' from another parent, and then you are Blood Type AB.


FURTHER, the O version of the gene is a sort of 'neutral' version. So, if you receive "version A" from one parent, and then "version O" from the other parent, you will end up as Blood Type A.

Thus, anyone that is Blood Type A, could potentially be either carrying two "version A" genes, OR a "version A" and a "version O".

Therefore a two Blood Type A parents can have a Blood Type O child

Notice the following.

IF two parents, who are both Blood Type A, have a kid, and that kid is Blood Type O, THEN each parent must have had a "version A", and a "version O" of the gene.

So you actually not only know your blood type, but you now have just figured out your genotype, you 'types of genes'.

You can check out this useful set of pages, which has a much shorter explanation in the way of a simple table:
www.biology.arizona.edu...

Hope that helps.



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reply posted on 20-1-2007 @ 08:50 PM by Jimmy1880


I am O neg I have that stitched on my breast, My commanders sometimes say that I am a liability because of this. I very rarly catch a cold, In fact I dont remember when I was last ill, apart from physical ailments like shrapnel in the face and an APC running over my foot



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reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:49 PM by diPurgatorio


Like uh WHAT? ABO is the name of the blood group. Rhesus is another. There's twenty or more in all. They only bother telling you which you have of those two groups at the blood bank; they don't go into full detail about whether you have the other ones... There's tests you can take yourself to find out if you're say, Lewis or Kell positive or negative. But the other ones I'm guessing you'd have to get a really nice hematologist to help you with.

Ummm. To anyone buying the WW2 secret scientist mumbojumbo, both my grandfathers were born long before that war. Shortly before World War 1 in fact. No they didn't live anywhere near Germany. And yes they were tested AFTER the 1940's for their blood types. NO they didn't suck some kind of weird air into their systems that changed their DNA to stop producing those proteins in their blood during the war. One of my grandfathers was in the war, yes, but the other lived his entire life in Western Canada.

Scientists research things and make their discoveries available to the public. And they only test on willing and/or paying subjects.

Still, if no one ever asked anything we'd probably devolve into vegetables or something. And it WOULD be cool if rhesus negative was from world war 2. It would.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO my question is: what did rhesus negative adapt for? Environments high in nitrogen? Coastal regions? Why is it so common in Wales, Basque country, and Scotland? Why did Diego negative develop just as people crossed the Pacific into the Americas?

Finland is described as the nation of a thousand lakes. They're protected by a mountain range from the harsh arctic cold that most of their neighbours have to endure. And they have some of the weirdest blood around, as well as typically pale skin, fair hair, and blue eyes. I've been there. Helsinki was beautiful and it rained the whole time I was there. Finns also invented the sauna, which the Japanese are big fans of now. Japan. Coastal. Diego negative. I sense a pattern. I hope these scientists sense it too. I'm now going to take a long hot steamy bath.



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reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 02:02 PM by jtma508


What is not commonly known is that the Rh+ designation is the result of 3 underlying proteins referred to as c,d,and e. In addition, beyond the oft-mentioned ABO Rh+/- there are a variety of other 'minor' blood types. These rarely come up as an issue unless a patient has been sensitized (and subsequently developed an antibody) as a result of a blood transfusion or (less likely) a pregnancy.



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reply posted on 20-3-2008 @ 07:18 PM by rubyespigares


it is absolutley not true that there were people with rh- blood before 1940. proof, my grandmother had rh- blood and she was born in 1913.



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