That is some very impressive stuff Dulcimer. Excellent work, it is much appreciated.





[edit on 31-7-2006 by T_Nexis]

hey uhmn dulcimer do you know where i can go to get those blacked out little peices of documents well not so blacked out ... i'm really hoping to get some more info well if you did maybe you would have SAID it but just asking you know

To answer the question about the U2 color scheme, a great many of the U2's ended up painted a matte black to cut reflection and minimise visibility. Trainers, however, which would fly over friendly airspace, wouldn't need this visual camoflauge.

As to the question of exopolitics...the realm of grand strategy is a hypothetical one, and I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a few 'contingancy' plans tucked away in a dusty corner of the Pentagon detailing potential political alliances between Terran governments to resist extraterrestrial attack. The inherit problem with any kind of detailed strategic plan of this nature, how ever, is the complete and total LACK OF INFORMATION any planners would have. It's impossible to plan for a contingency where your enemy is a complete unknown, and possibly fictional. There would simply be too many imaginable contingencies to plan for.

OF Course there are contingency plans! The last thing the CIA, FBI, et al want is to be caught with their pants down. So each wil have a group of ATS planners to come up with a suitable 'response' (usually several) to exercise if (not necessarily when) a given studies impact or penetration should occur.

Much of this is merely face-saving in advance. Imagine the horror on the faces of the top brass if the President or some other official comes to them and states, e.g., "OK, gentlemen, they're really here now - what do we do"? The last thing they want coming out of their mouths is, "Gee, Sir, how are we supposed to know what do - we never thought about it"! BS - you can bet your last nickel that they are definately giving it a lot of thought and applying plenty of resources to the question. They're whole reason for existence is to play 'what-if' scenarios and formulate plans to deal with any potential threat or ANY potential contingency.

Even if none of the UFO stuff up to this point is real and there really is nothing to hide (which most of us on this site already presume to be false) the agencies MUST all still study and plan for their eventual arrival. To not do so would be failing at their mission. They may not broadcast this fact, not even internally, but specialists in Remote Sensing, Advanced Weaponry, GIS, Physics, Sociology, Propulsion/Aerodynamics, and many other disciplines are absolutley gathered in the recesses of such organizations specifically to have an appropriate response for the day Mr. President comes knocking with "the News".

BTW - Nice thread/links. Thanx...

Godzilla is on ATS? niceeeeee

very very cool dulcimer, i'll probably spend many long hours reading all these awesome links you've provided!

also, as a sidenote, i used a wats vote for you just now! thanks for the plethora of knowledge waiting to seep into my cranial capacitor!

Good list. Hopefully I'll have more time to follow up on it later.

great research ;D it really nice of ya

i guess some people will just think.. damn when they see it.

come on.. everybody admit.. eacg time you log on, a littlehope sparks. and it forms this dream scenario in your mind:

some one posy and tells ya ey yall just hacked the goverment. look at this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you all considered the reality that the major governments know for the aliens, all of them, that have come through and dropped in to say "hi" to us, and they governments are not allowed to announce this fact openly?


They can't. The ramifications are too high, we are not ready for it, period. they are watching us, guiding us slowly, on their time table, to enter the "bigger galaxy" This process has been accelerating, but we are still not ready. If the governments wanted to really cover EVERYTHING up, we would hear nothing at all, read nothing, find nothing. Sites like this wouldn't exist.


But we do get trickles, we ARE allowed to speak about the subject, make movies, write books. It's all in the plan. Everything the government does in regards to "UFO's" is by the play book. Every last bit of information out there is done so, on purpose.

Just wait till the flood gates are opened.

Originally posted by HarvinTabor
Have you all considered the reality that the major governments know for the aliens, all of them, that have come through and dropped in to say "hi" to us, and they governments are not allowed to announce this fact openly?


They can't. The ramifications are too high, we are not ready for it, period. they are watching us, guiding us slowly, on their time table, to enter the "bigger galaxy" This process has been accelerating, but we are still not ready. If the governments wanted to really cover EVERYTHING up, we would hear nothing at all, read nothing, find nothing. Sites like this wouldn't exist.


But we do get trickles, we ARE allowed to speak about the subject, make movies, write books. It's all in the plan. Everything the government does in regards to "UFO's" is by the play book. Every last bit of information out there is done so, on purpose.

Just wait till the flood gates are opened.

I mostly disagree. In an ideal world, the government would prefer that we'd shut up about ufos. They haven't invented all those cover stories and went to elaborate coverups including multiple assassinations to trickle us.

If you want to consider Hollywood movies part of the acclimatization program, then yes all info has been disclosed with a fake twist: the twist that aliens are bad news and have come to fight us.

Wow ! Thank you Dulcimer for all that information. I'll read what I can we I can and hope to someday get up to speed will all of you. I'm just now starting to have time to research and this will help me so much.

Thanks,

Solarskye

Don't hold your breath. The list is one long apology for the non-existence of reverse engineering.

The stance throughout the government sites is 'yes, we study ufology seriously', but 'no, we haven't retreived any spacecraft to copy its technology'. And 'There is no coverup -- there is nothing to hide at all.'

It's called plausible deniability... for an impending cosmic false flag attack.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by Thodeph]

you should watch the movie sonic outlaws. or tribulation 99 or get the other one red and rosey,


but i think you would love sonic outlaws.

Incidentally, has anyone a link to the recently declassified French UFO docs? I mean, they declassified EVERYTHING.

cool military involvement interesting

Originally posted by Outrageo
OF Course there are contingency plans! The last thing the CIA, FBI, et al want is to be caught with their pants down. So each wil have a group of ATS planners to come up with a suitable 'response' (usually several) to exercise if (not necessarily when) a given studies impact or penetration should occur.

Much of this is merely face-saving in advance. Imagine the horror on the faces of the top brass if the President or some other official comes to them and states, e.g., "OK, gentlemen, they're really here now - what do we do"? The last thing they want coming out of their mouths is, "Gee, Sir, how are we supposed to know what do - we never thought about it"! BS - you can bet your last nickel that they are definately giving it a lot of thought and applying plenty of resources to the question. They're whole reason for existence is to play 'what-if' scenarios and formulate plans to deal with any potential threat or ANY potential contingency.

Even if none of the UFO stuff up to this point is real and there really is nothing to hide (which most of us on this site already presume to be false) the agencies MUST all still study and plan for their eventual arrival. To not do so would be failing at their mission. They may not broadcast this fact, not even internally, but specialists in Remote Sensing, Advanced Weaponry, GIS, Physics, Sociology, Propulsion/Aerodynamics, and many other disciplines are absolutley gathered in the recesses of such organizations specifically to have an appropriate response for the day Mr. President comes knocking with "the News".

BTW - Nice thread/links. Thanx...

I agree with what you have written and i have tried to tell some people on ats that all this scenarios have been taken into account and that is why this agencies exist to deal with the unexpected and unforseen situations as far as the public is concerned. The reason why congress or presidents cannot take action against the agencies, or cut thier spending because it has been unconsciously factored into the defence budgets and there is no going back.