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reply posted on 23-9-2005 @ 10:25 AM by torbjon
I’m sure there is a better place for this post, (ATS is Huge) but here I am so there you have it.

My question/concern regarding our government and ufos goes something like this:

In the early 1950’s something violated our air space over Washington D.C. Prior to that and after that other unidentified things violated our air space all over the country. Our governments response to this was to state something along the lines of “You know what? These unidentified things pose no threat to us whatsoever, we’re not gonna worry about it, it’s no big deal.”

Whoa.

It’s the Cold War. The Evil Communist Empire is gonna get us. Here is a PERFECT opportunity to shout “The Reds Are Coming! The Reds Are Coming! We Need To Spend More Money On Defense!! They Have Flying Saucers!!! We Need More Money!” etc. etc.

But they don’t. They don’t say “Hey, we are testing super secret stuff to make the world safe for democracy, that’s your tax dollars at work, have a nice day.” They don’t say “The Reds Are Coming! We Need More Money!” They don’t say, “We don’t know what it is but we’re doing everything that we can to find out.” They just say “we’ve determined that it’s not a threat, don’t worry about it”

I don’t know about you, but whenever someone tells me not to worry about it, I usually start to worry about it.

Old documents are starting surface now… some people say they are all fakes, others say it’s just part of some grand disinformation scheme, a few people believe them to be genuine. None of that matters. What matters is that there are old documents starting to surface now. Why? During the search for old documents it was discovered that the communication logs from the “Roswell Incident” were illegally destroyed. Obviously, some time during our governments history some elements within our government had no problems whatsoever with breaking the law. Either through negligence or intentionally, the law was broken. Oops, me bad, sorry. *shrugs* Why weren’t any of these other documents similarly “lost”? What purpose does it serve to allow them out of the archives? Who profits and how?


reply posted on 11-2-2006 @ 06:27 PM by Rasputin13
Dulcimer-

Thanks for taking the time and effort to make a thread like this. It is members like yourself that make ATS so great, and a regular daily stop on my surfing schedule! You've got one of my "Way Above's" this month!

Now, I took the summary below from the first link provided by Dulcimer in his first post that started this thread. After you read it, I'll pose my question(s).



High-altitude testing of the U-2 soon led to an unexpected side effect--a tremendous increase in reports of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). In the mid1950s, most commercial airliners flew at altitudes between 10,000 and 20,000 feet and military aircraft like the B-47s operated at altitudes below 40,000 feet. Consequently, once U-2s started flying at altitudes above 60,000 feet, air- traffic controllers began receiving increasing numbers of UFO reports.

Such reports were most prevalent in the early evening hours from pilots of airliners flying from east to west. When the sun dropped below the horizon of an airliner flying at 20,000 feet, the plane was in darkness. But, if a U-2 was airborne in the vicinity of the airliner at the same time, its horizon from an altitude of 60,000 feet was considerably more distant, and, being so high in the sky, its silver wings would catch and reflect the rays of the sun and appear to the airliner pilot, 40,000 feet below, to be fiery objects. Even during daylight hours, the silver bodies of the high- flying U-2s could catch the sun and cause reflections or glints that could be seen at lower altitudes and even on the ground. At this time, no one believed manned flight was possible above 60,000 feet, so no one expected to see an object so high in the sky.


Taken from www.history.navy.mil...


Now I can understand how some pilots would have been able to notice the U2 when out on flights. What I don't understand is why the military would decide to paint a covert spy plane, the existence of which they are trying to keep secret at home and abroad, a shiny silver color that could easily reflect sun or possibly even moonlight and be seen by those below. I also understand that the plane may not have been painted at all, and that this was just the natural color of the material which the plane was constructed of.

But even if it was the natural color, why wouldn't they paint over it with a dull color to prevent reflection of light? Is the weight of the U2 so important and so calculated that the extra weight of paint layers would have negatively effected its performance? If not, why didn't they do their best to visually camoflauge the plane? For starters, you would think the military would want to eliminate every possible element of the U2 that could lead to its visual detection by American pilots. And what could be even more important is eliminating countries like the Soviet Union from having visual confirmation that America is currently spying on them, thus giving them the opportunity to play for the cameras. Of course, in the beginning the Soviets didn't have the technology to shoot down a U2. But even just allowing the Soviets the chance to see that we were there couldn't possibly be a good thing.

Sorry for rambling on once again! And I apologize if this is more of a question for the "Aircraft Projects" forum than "Aliens & UFO's." Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer this one!

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reply posted on 16-7-2006 @ 04:04 PM by joshai2334
www.cufos.org...

Part III is quite revealing. Parts of the Summary Conclusion:

QUOTE--

The attitude of the U.S. is seen as "most strange" since the 1947 wave and the Roswell event. Since that time, a policy of increasing secrecy seems to have been applied, which might be explained by the protection at all cost of military technological superiority to be acquired from the study of UFOs.

Next, the report tackles the question "What measures must we take now?" [snip]

Nationally, COMETA urges the strengthening of SEPRA, and recommends the creation of a committee at the highest level of government, entrusted with the development of hypotheses, strategy, and preparation of cooperative agreements with European and other foreign countries. A further step would be that European states and the European Union undertake diplomatic action with the Unites States within the framework of political and strategic alliances.

A key question of the report is "What situations must we be prepared for?" [snip]

COMETA devotes special attention to "aeronautical implications," with detailed recommendations aimed at various personnel, such as air staffs, controllers, weathermen and engineers. It also makes recommendations at the scientific and technical levels, aimed at developing research with potential benefits for defense and industry. The report further explores the political and religious implications of UFOs, using as a model the perspective of our own exploration of space: How would we do it, how would we handle contacts with less advanced civilizations?

[snip]

In its conclusion, COMETA claims that the physical reality of UFOs, under control of intelligent beings, is "quasi-certain." Only one hypothesis takes into account the available data: the hypothesis of extraterrestrial visitors. This hypothesis is of course unproven, but has far-reaching consequences. The goals of these alleged visitors remain unknown but must be the subject of speculations and prospective scenarios.

In its final recommendations, COMETA stresses again the need to: [snip]



This study was done in 1999, seven years ago; and what I notice is that nobody is picking up on it--especially in the media. Salla and Boylan don't refer to it, and they're supposed to be the heavies in the exopolitics field. I haven't read enough of Greer to know to what extent he is familiar with this report.
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