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Topic started on 13-9-2005 @ 04:28 PM by Dulcimer
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reply posted on 13-9-2005 @ 06:02 PM by Nventual
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Very nice, great job.
 During several space missions, NASA astronauts have reported phenomena not immediately explainable; however, in every instance NASA determined
that the observations could not be termed "abnormal" in the space environment. 
I wonder why that would be? It wouldn't be because UFOs are always in space would it?  
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reply posted on 13-9-2005 @ 10:44 PM by Dulcimer
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Hmm nobody is biting?
I must bump!
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reply posted on 13-9-2005 @ 11:55 PM by Nventual
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Surprised there hasn't been more people.
Maybe change the subject to something else?
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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 02:46 AM by nullster
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The reason why believers/faithful aren't biting is not that hard. Probably because this info flies in the face that the the US government is in full
denial. That it is refusing to discuss, disclose, or state in public any information regarding the UFO phenomenon. The notion being you can only get
that kind of info from hard working UFO conspiracy sites.
I remember a few weeks back someone posted a link that showed many UFO and Conspiracy sites were being visited by .gov and .mil web sites. Then a
government employee (military I think) with the handle Godzilla or something posted that many employees in government are really intrigued by UFO's
and conspiracy theories. On their breaks or lunch, they often visit those sites. Of course that post sank like lead stone in a deep lake. Why? Because
there is no conspiracy in that.
The government hires everyday human beings.
People prefer to see the Government is one physical entity loaded wih drones as employees that work with one dark foreboding mindset. Dulcimer
By posting all those links, you spring a leak in waterlogged boat of full Government denial. Bravo 
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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 12:53 PM by Gazrok
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Why? Because there is no conspiracy in that.
The government hires everyday human beings.
I think most of us realize that the government as an entity does not fully know about the UFO coverup (assuming it exists). The idea is more that a
small group within the government knows this, and is perpetrating the coverup. Given the compartmentalization process of sensitive info, this is a
quite realistic idea of how this would be done. Furthermore, there is documentation pointing towards how this group was formed, who the first members
were, etc. And, these members make perfect sense. Now, you can dispute the names (Majestic 12, etc.) if you like, but the group existed. Likewise,
MAJIC is identifiable as well (Military Assessment Joint Intelligence Committee). Would a paper pusher in Langley know of MAJIC (or it's current
incarnation?)...no, they wouldn't. So yes, it makes perfect sense that even those high in the government may not even have a clue as to what our
knowledge of these beings and crafts may be.....
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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 02:56 PM by nullster
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Gazrok, that is well strutured reply but with all due respect, there is allot of legend and lore when it comes to UFO's. The problem with coverups is
that anyone who has followed history long enough knows that far smaller coverup operations come to light on a regular basis within 10-20 years time.
The scale and global magnitude in engineering a cover up of UFO's for over 60 years is increasingly inconprehensible. If you belive the lore, it
involves countelss numbers of military and other government employees...All over the world.
It's been a long cold dry spell. Where is that next crash that spills aliens on the highway. This is why the movement is quick to assign Alien status
to anything presented both in picture or video. This is why the movement is faster becoming a religion. Most accounts now are similar to seeing the
Virgin Mary in a freeway underpass, piece of corn flake, or a grilled cheese sandwhich.
Please, how long is that thread about the UFO behind Bush. Its clearly a helicoptor. What about the thread of Natzis and UFO technology. Just like a
corn flake is a corn flake. Out of desire and need Religion forces peope to see things that just aren't there. It helps them to keep the faith in
times where there will be no more answers.
Allot of structured fiction as well as more questionable theories have become accepted as fact over time. One could argue the existance of Majestik
forever. This is just another keyhole into another room thats dimly lit. The faithful truly prefer a dimply lit room. They live for mystery of faith.
They will not question it.
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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 04:06 PM by Dulcimer
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There is one domain that offers quite a bit about UFO's but it seems to be down now. These are the cache views of the page.
Cache Links
Major General Harold E. Watson: INTELLIGENCE PIONEER, AIR FORCE WARRIOR
www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil...:*.mil+UFO&hl=en" target="_blank" class="postlink">Link
A Brief History of Air Force Scientific and Technical Intelligence
www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil...:*.mil+UFO&hl=en" target="_blank" class="postlink">
Link
Unidentified Flying Objects Research Guide
-This one contains a wealth of links and reading materials
Link
U-2s, UFOs, and Operation Blue Book
Link
Information Sheet: Philadelphia Experiment
Link
"Exorcizing the Devil's Triangle"
Link
Navy gets involved in space (1944-1956)
Link
UFO FACT SHEET
Link
More Links
www.wsmr.army.mil...
I includedt this one because its quite funny
No, we don't have any information on crashed alien space craft, here or at Roswell, N.M. Nor do we have any leads on alien bodies in storage anywhere
on the planet. In fact, no one in this office has seen any documents nor talked to any credible witness concerning aliens or UFOs. We have, however,
read the Air Force's report "The Roswell Report: Case Closed" and find it very convincing. Most people we talk to who make fun of the Air Force
explanations have not taken the time to read it.
www.afnews.af.mil...
www.af.mil...
www.af.mil...
50 years after Roswell
Cache Link
REPORT OF AIR FORCE RESEARCH REGARDING THE "ROSWELL INCIDENT"
This one is quite in depth
Link
Report on Project Mogul
Cache Link
Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)
This is a MASSIVE list of related reading.
www.loc.gov...
341.15 RECORDS OF PROJECT BLUE BOOK 1947-69
Link
Sorry about my poor organization skills. 
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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 07:31 PM by Hal9000
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Wow Dulcimer, you've been busy.
This is an excellent collection. Maybe you could request that it be made a sticky.
I see a few that look interesting. Have you read all these? Which ones would you say are the best?
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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 10:37 PM by Dulcimer
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If I had to choose a few must reads it would be from these:
www.foia.cia.gov...
foia.fbi.gov...
Each contains a massive wealth or documents available to read. I have nowhere near read all of them.
Some are in .pdf format, others are available as scanned images on screen.
The second link contains 1600 pages in pdf form. 
Its well known, but yet many have not read through it yet.
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reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 10:57 PM by Esoteric Teacher
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things are seldom what they seem. To take at face value, may be an act of complacent reasoning. When a member of the general public reads something,
it may be interpritted as a consistant rhetoric that supports denial.
However, when someone else at a higher pay grade reads it, they know enough to decipher what has been written between the lines.
Would it be possible to encode and decode within the sight of the entire world, a world niave of what they are looking at.
Just a thought. But it would simplify messages between people who could not meet, talk on the phone, email, or were seperated by great distances.
To be able to encode and decode language in a published format would serve as both a distractor, and the truth.
Just a thought.
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reply posted on 15-9-2005 @ 07:44 AM by Gazrok
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The scale and global magnitude in engineering a cover up of UFO's for over 60 years is increasingly inconprehensible.
If it was truly successful, this forum wouldn't exist.
It's extremely easy to keep a secret when a ridicule factor is attached to it. And they get help from people who unwittingly add to that ridicule
factor (such as the Meiers and Adamskis of the world). As ridiculous as such claims are, and as rampant as misidentifications go (such as you
mentioned), it still doesn't dispute that even if there is ONE good solid case pointing to an ET craft, then we've STILL got the phenomenon, despite
the red herrings. And there are such cases. Cases that defy any other rational explanation. Cases like LA in the forties, Washington DC in '52, or
Roswell, etc. The terrestrial explanations given are chock full of holes and flawed logic, and serious investigations show that they simply don't
work.
Just because some coverups eventually get uncovered, doesn't mean all of them do. There are many that are still well under wraps. Going out of the
loop for a bit, the JFK assassination is a prime example. The official explanation is that Oswald, acting alone, shot the president. If this is
truly the case, then one would have to believe that not only is Oswald the fastest shot in the world with a bolt-action rifle, but that he is also
capable of somehow breaking the laws of physics and shooting it faster than it is capable of. Likewise, the official explanations of many UFO cases
also falter, pointing to a coverup of some other explanation.
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reply posted on 15-9-2005 @ 08:54 AM by Hal9000
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Would it be possible to encode and decode within the sight of the entire world, a world niave of what they are looking at.
So you're saying that "classified" (at that time) documents were written, so that 20 or 30 years later, if they were ever released to the public,
no one would know what they were talking about?
I think that theory is a little weak. At the time they were written they were "classified" so the authors did not worry about the world seeing
them.
Most of the documents aren't correspondence, but reports and information saved in a file somewhere.
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reply posted on 15-9-2005 @ 02:07 PM by Gazrok
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Regardless of opinions on the validity of the basic subject, I think Dulcimer has obviously spent a lot of time and provided some excellent info here,
regardless of one's feelings on the subject....
Dulcimer, if you'd like to add future links to the first post in this thread, please let me know, as no time expiration on my ability to edit
there...
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reply posted on 16-9-2005 @ 04:02 PM by Dulcimer
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Here is an interesting set. Ive given a short blurb for some of the links.
THE INVESTIGATION OF UFO'S
www.cia.gov...
Supersonic Saucers
www.cia.gov...
www.cia.gov...
www.cia.gov...
Special Report No. 14
www.cia.gov...
www.cia.gov...
Investigation Procedures
www.cia.gov...
Propeller Aircraft
www.cia.gov...
Jet Aircraft
www.cia.gov...
Refueling Missions
www.cia.gov...
Other Aircraft
www.cia.gov...
Earth Satellites
www.cia.gov...
Astronomical Events
www.cia.gov...
Page 13 is an interesting one, check out the data.
www.cia.gov...
Story time
www.cia.gov...
www.cia.gov...
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reply posted on 16-9-2005 @ 04:15 PM by Dulcimer
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Here is an indepth article on Captain Thomas Francis Mantell Jr.
www.military.state.ky.us...
A short article here: Civilians, Not Military Investigate UFOs
www.defense.gov...
Interview with Dick Hoch
rmo.emsl.pnl.gov...
Finally they admitted to dropping flares with parachutes when I said the stories were going to hit the newspaper. The reason they did not want
to admit it was because they could have easily set the desert on fire and they did not want people to complain. But compared to UFO stories, people
accept flares better.
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reply posted on 17-9-2005 @ 08:09 PM by Dulcimer
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Here are some links to make your government searching easier.
The official government search engine, this site consolidates 20,000 government web sites and arranges them by topic, such as Money and Taxes, Healthy
People and the U.S. in the World.
www.firstgov.gov...
www.google.com...
Searches .gov and .mil sites. When a site is inaccessible, a cache feature pulls up a backup version.
www.governmentguide.com...
Search AOL's government directory.
www.fedworld.gov...
Search U.S. Government Information Servers using the The Center for Intelligent Information Retrieval/U.S. Business Advisor govbot database. You can
also search view a list of predefined searches by category.
www.access.gpo.gov...
Search GPO full-text databases, including the Federal Register, Congressional Bills and the U.S. Code.
www.searchgov.com...
Searches .gov sites. Like Google, offers caching feature.
www.searchmil.com...
Searches .mil sites. Also offers caching feature
This should make your searching easier.
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reply posted on 17-9-2005 @ 10:07 PM by torbjon
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I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this this, but I have found Devilfinder--
images.devilfinder.com...
to be a very useful tool in doing research, specifically in locating images and/or video clips. Unlike google, the devilfinder seems to dig a little
deeper into the net and finds files, folders, pages, etc. that aren't directly accessable via normal channels/links....
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reply posted on 17-9-2005 @ 11:22 PM by Dallas
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My most highly respected ATS -- UFO/EBE Researcher. Sometimes we have to put ourselves out on the limb and say point blank what we feel after
researching this UFO area. Playing it safe is good for the pre-believers or semi-skeptics.
After that it's you and me and others who must make a decission on is it or ain't it?
Respectfully,
Dallas
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