Very nice, great job.

During several space missions, NASA astronauts have reported phenomena not immediately explainable; however, in every instance NASA determined that the observations could not be termed "abnormal" in the space environment.

I wonder why that would be? It wouldn't be because UFOs are always in space would it?

Hmm nobody is biting?

I must bump!

Surprised there hasn't been more people.
Maybe change the subject to something else?

The reason why believers/faithful aren't biting is not that hard. Probably because this info flies in the face that the the US government is in full denial. That it is refusing to discuss, disclose, or state in public any information regarding the UFO phenomenon. The notion being you can only get that kind of info from hard working UFO conspiracy sites.

I remember a few weeks back someone posted a link that showed many UFO and Conspiracy sites were being visited by .gov and .mil web sites. Then a government employee (military I think) with the handle Godzilla or something posted that many employees in government are really intrigued by UFO's and conspiracy theories. On their breaks or lunch, they often visit those sites. Of course that post sank like lead stone in a deep lake. Why? Because there is no conspiracy in that.
The government hires everyday human beings.

People prefer to see the Government is one physical entity loaded wih drones as employees that work with one dark foreboding mindset. Dulcimer By posting all those links, you spring a leak in waterlogged boat of full Government denial. Bravo

Why? Because there is no conspiracy in that.
The government hires everyday human beings.

I think most of us realize that the government as an entity does not fully know about the UFO coverup (assuming it exists). The idea is more that a small group within the government knows this, and is perpetrating the coverup. Given the compartmentalization process of sensitive info, this is a quite realistic idea of how this would be done. Furthermore, there is documentation pointing towards how this group was formed, who the first members were, etc. And, these members make perfect sense. Now, you can dispute the names (Majestic 12, etc.) if you like, but the group existed. Likewise, MAJIC is identifiable as well (Military Assessment Joint Intelligence Committee). Would a paper pusher in Langley know of MAJIC (or it's current incarnation?)...no, they wouldn't. So yes, it makes perfect sense that even those high in the government may not even have a clue as to what our knowledge of these beings and crafts may be.....

Gazrok, that is well strutured reply but with all due respect, there is allot of legend and lore when it comes to UFO's. The problem with coverups is that anyone who has followed history long enough knows that far smaller coverup operations come to light on a regular basis within 10-20 years time. The scale and global magnitude in engineering a cover up of UFO's for over 60 years is increasingly inconprehensible. If you belive the lore, it involves countelss numbers of military and other government employees...All over the world.

It's been a long cold dry spell. Where is that next crash that spills aliens on the highway. This is why the movement is quick to assign Alien status to anything presented both in picture or video. This is why the movement is faster becoming a religion. Most accounts now are similar to seeing the Virgin Mary in a freeway underpass, piece of corn flake, or a grilled cheese sandwhich.

Please, how long is that thread about the UFO behind Bush. Its clearly a helicoptor. What about the thread of Natzis and UFO technology. Just like a corn flake is a corn flake. Out of desire and need Religion forces peope to see things that just aren't there. It helps them to keep the faith in times where there will be no more answers.

Allot of structured fiction as well as more questionable theories have become accepted as fact over time. One could argue the existance of Majestik forever. This is just another keyhole into another room thats dimly lit. The faithful truly prefer a dimply lit room. They live for mystery of faith. They will not question it.

Wow Dulcimer, you've been busy.

This is an excellent collection. Maybe you could request that it be made a sticky.

I see a few that look interesting. Have you read all these? Which ones would you say are the best?

things are seldom what they seem. To take at face value, may be an act of complacent reasoning. When a member of the general public reads something, it may be interpritted as a consistant rhetoric that supports denial.

However, when someone else at a higher pay grade reads it, they know enough to decipher what has been written between the lines.

Would it be possible to encode and decode within the sight of the entire world, a world niave of what they are looking at.

Just a thought. But it would simplify messages between people who could not meet, talk on the phone, email, or were seperated by great distances.

To be able to encode and decode language in a published format would serve as both a distractor, and the truth.



Just a thought.

The scale and global magnitude in engineering a cover up of UFO's for over 60 years is increasingly inconprehensible.

If it was truly successful, this forum wouldn't exist.

It's extremely easy to keep a secret when a ridicule factor is attached to it. And they get help from people who unwittingly add to that ridicule factor (such as the Meiers and Adamskis of the world). As ridiculous as such claims are, and as rampant as misidentifications go (such as you mentioned), it still doesn't dispute that even if there is ONE good solid case pointing to an ET craft, then we've STILL got the phenomenon, despite the red herrings. And there are such cases. Cases that defy any other rational explanation. Cases like LA in the forties, Washington DC in '52, or Roswell, etc. The terrestrial explanations given are chock full of holes and flawed logic, and serious investigations show that they simply don't work.

Just because some coverups eventually get uncovered, doesn't mean all of them do. There are many that are still well under wraps. Going out of the loop for a bit, the JFK assassination is a prime example. The official explanation is that Oswald, acting alone, shot the president. If this is truly the case, then one would have to believe that not only is Oswald the fastest shot in the world with a bolt-action rifle, but that he is also capable of somehow breaking the laws of physics and shooting it faster than it is capable of. Likewise, the official explanations of many UFO cases also falter, pointing to a coverup of some other explanation.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Would it be possible to encode and decode within the sight of the entire world, a world niave of what they are looking at.

So you're saying that "classified" (at that time) documents were written, so that 20 or 30 years later, if they were ever released to the public, no one would know what they were talking about?

I think that theory is a little weak. At the time they were written they were "classified" so the authors did not worry about the world seeing them.

Most of the documents aren't correspondence, but reports and information saved in a file somewhere.

Regardless of opinions on the validity of the basic subject, I think Dulcimer has obviously spent a lot of time and provided some excellent info here, regardless of one's feelings on the subject....

Dulcimer, if you'd like to add future links to the first post in this thread, please let me know, as no time expiration on my ability to edit there...

My most highly respected ATS -- UFO/EBE Researcher. Sometimes we have to put ourselves out on the limb and say point blank what we feel after researching this UFO area. Playing it safe is good for the pre-believers or semi-skeptics.

After that it's you and me and others who must make a decission on is it or ain't it?

Respectfully,
Dallas

About "who knows what"....I DO definitely know 2 things...but please don't ask who my sources are.
1. I do know that some people at Langley AFB know about UFOs. (That is NOT the same as Langley, VA.)
2. I KNOW that at least one president in recent times KNOWS about UFOs. I don't know which one, because I didn't ASK which one.
(Unlike certain reporters, I do know what to say and when to say it. I also know when "loose lips sink ships"....and when NOT to ask questions.)
Thanks for the links. That is a LOT for agencies, some of whom "aren't interested in the topic of UFOs".