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Why so many renderings showing the nails going through Jesus' hands and not his wrists?

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posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 09:37 AM
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I was watching a show on one of those 'educational' cable channels about the Shroud of Turin and was wondering why there have been so many artist renderings of the crucifiction showing nails going through Jesus' hands and not his wrists. If we knew exactly how he was crucified then why have so many portrayed it inaccurately? Could it be a religious conspiracy of some sort?

Peace


[edit on 13-9-2005 by Dr Love]




posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 09:54 AM
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The same reason most of what we're taught about The Christ and the Bible is fairystories and Hollywood rather than what the Hebrew and Greek actually says, so peoples faith can be torn down along with the lies they base it on. For instance when folk die they go to sleep not heaven. The Kingdom of God comes down from Heaven and untill then the dead sleep.



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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They probably just made a mistake, hands and wrists, the translation could easily be mixed up. They also draw him as white in europe, asian in asia, and black in africa, despite the fact that he was Jewish and would have looked middle eastern. I'd be very suprised if it was a conspiracy, for a start what difference does it make whether the nail goes through his hand or wrist?



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 10:00 AM
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??
could be misinterpeting scripture,

drawing conclusions,
or folklore,
maybe the wealthy people that commissioned the artists
had to have their fantasies flattered...they believed that
the hands & feet were pierced by 3 spikes...if the artist
imaged something different or controversial, well, the
painter/artist/sculpture would become a starving artist!

perhaps the image; nails thru a hand had more impact
as 99% of the serfs & peasants could relate to the meme
'hand-to-mouth' existance as they provided for themselves
by the toil of the hand & the sweat of the brow (crown of thorns?)

it's all very Symbolic & highly Stylistic,
to evoke emotion in people

-2 cents-



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
If we knew exactly how he was crucified then why have so many portrayed it inaccurately?

We don't know how people were crucified. There are some good ideas, but its not known for certain. I'd think that thats how a person is suspended from a cross, having never seen such a thing happen, and thats probably why most people represent it as such. The bible doesn't describe it in accurate detail.



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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Why so many renderings showing the nails going through Jesus' hands and not his wrists?


Why aren't there any showing the nails going through his eyeballs? In my religion, it is believed that his head was nailed to the cross through the eyeballs....very painful!....but helped to suspend the weight by use of the skull!



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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analysis of acheological evidance of a Roman Crucifixion

Romans used tapered square spikes about five and a half inches long and about a third of an inch across the top. The spikes were driven through the wrist at the heel of the hand. At the time the wrist was actaully concidered to be part of the hand, so the need distiction is meaingless. Romans knew the exact place to drive the spike so that it pressure on the median nerve. This would excruciating pain to run up and down the condemned's arms while at the same time causing the thumb to be drawn inward until it press against the palm. The fingers eventually are cramped inward toward the palm.

The condemned were nailed with their arms at a ninety degree angel but as they hung on the cross their body would eventually sag to about a sixty five degree angle. The weight of the body hanging in this position would cause the pectoral muscles to become paralyzed and the person would be able to breath in but not exhale.

Prior to death more often than not a person would flail his body about which would aggravated the guards. So, in order to prevent this they would nail the person's feet to the stipe. In doing this they discovered that the condemned would use the spike driven through their feet as a kind of step and force his body upward so that his arms would reach in angle that would allow him to breath again and thus prolong the time before death. Sometimes it could take days for a person to die when there feet were nailed to the stipe.

In nailing the feet to the stipe the knees were bent one foot was placed flat on the stipe and the other foot was placed on top of it. A spike was the driven through the second metatarsal space of the feet. Injuring the peroneal nerve and branches of the medial and lateral plantar nerves. Also causing the membrane of highly innervated connective tissue with numerous blood vessels surrounding the bones of the feet would be stripped creating very intense pain.

The Romans had become such experts at crucifixion that they were able to predict within about four hours the time of a person's death by the angle they used in bending the knees.


John 20:24-35 Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!"
But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.


This is probably one of the worst forms of capital punishment endorsed by a govenment and only used for the worst of offenders and crimes. Jesus was innocent, but he died in the worst way possible for the time



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 06:28 AM
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It's art. Subjective art.

Take a look at the modern art in the Philly Art Museum.
Why are there so many renderings of people in the abstract?
It's art and up to the imagination of the artist.
None of them were there when Christ died.



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
one of those 'educational' cable channels about the Shroud of Turin and
was wondering why there have been so many artist renderings


Off topic from the 'art and hand vs wrist' discussion but
Lemme' guess ... the 'educated' people on TV say the
shroud is a piece of art, right?

www.shroudstory.com...



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Off topic from the 'art and hand vs wrist' discussion but
Lemme' guess ... the 'educated' people on TV say the
shroud is a piece of art, right?

www.shroudstory.com...


There are at least two methods that could have been used by a medieval artist to create the shroud. The first would be to apply a bleaching agent to a body and place the cloth over it.

The second is this.

The investigations done by the Texas team have disputed authenticity regarding the samples they used. It seems they have not identified where the samples came from, and the Vatican disputes they came from the Shroud of Turin! Pious fraud?

The vanillin technique is an order of magnitude less accurate than c14 dating. Using that technique on the samples taken, the shroud could be anywhere from 1300 to 3000 years old. However, we know the shroud survived multiple fires, which would have seriously impacted any vanillin analysis, a fact Rogers handwaves away. The vanillin tests are meaningless for this reason.

History of the Shroud

We are no closer to knowing the origin of the shroud than when investigations began decades ago. It could be a later forgery, or it could be genuinely ancient. No-one knows.



posted on Sep, 21 2005 @ 12:49 PM
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Here is a good link.



posted on Sep, 21 2005 @ 04:03 PM
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A lot of people simply copied portraits of the event, which of course were wrong. The hands would tear due to the weight of the body pulling.



posted on Sep, 21 2005 @ 09:30 PM
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This one might be even better--if you're interested enough to read it--it's pretty detailed and could be dry, without sufficient interest on the part of the reader.



posted on Oct, 4 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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One of the primary reasons for this is due to how the people at the time viewed hands. The word for hand, at the time, was used to denote what we consider the hand and forearm. Because of this, before scientific investigations were made into this, the direct translation appeared to say the spikes were driven through Christ's hands. This stuck, as it still does to this day despite what we now know. The hand with a wound in the palm is recognized the same way the crown of thorns is.



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 06:59 PM
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Hey Jehoshaphat:

You forgot to mention the anal spike which was inserted into the anal cavity and helped suspend the body like the footrest, and prolonged the agony to an average of about 70-90 hours. The point was to delay death and make people see the torture up close and personal.

The presence of the anal sedilla is why the Romans used to say, "Take your SEAT ("sedilla") upon the Cross!" as a particularly nasty insult.

The victim was also naked, which allowed for castrations and debowelment while the victim was still alive. This is rarely shown in church iconography, although Michelangelo did some fine nude crucifixion drawings in the early 1500s.

Sometimes the victim's own children were hung to death around the victim's neck on the cross.

There have been a number of crucifixions over the past 100 years, and it is clear the human body cannot stay affixed to a cross by nails through the palms.

A particularly ugly way to go, it would seem, but designed for political seditionists as a deterrent to the Roman Maiestas during the "gory" days of the Empire...



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 07:43 PM
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Could be the same reason that people picture it as an apple that Adam and Eve ate, or that there were three wisemen, or that Adam and Eve where fair haired and skinned. It's not in the bible but artists have rendered it this way. Public perception creates a new reality apart from what the truth. This happens in many cases throughout history, and not with just the Bible.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by sinta_ilfirin]

[edit on 5-10-2005 by sinta_ilfirin]



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