Intelligent Design: WHY Hurricane Katrina MUST be An Act of God?, page 3

BaastetNoir- delighted madame

My personnal belief is that AIDS is a lb product for "social clean-up", but thats just me... and even if thats true, so called scientists still chose to do it ...

AIDS may be a man made virus and I have similar theories myself so no arguments there.

Ah... how do you know soemone else would have not screwed up?
and the "serpent" represent the entity of Satan ...not a "talking" snake....at least thast how I see it ...

Interpretation is a Dangerous thing. For instance a number of Assassins found inspiration to shoot people in The Catcher in the Rye and Russia built Communism on the back of the writings Karl Marx. People see what they want to see and in a document as vague and fantastical as the BIBLE the whole thing is open to the most wacky interpretations under the sun.

If the book is fictional then by all means interpret it any way you like.

But if you're claiming the book as fact then every word printed is fact and not open to any debate.

can't expect to have sex with everyone that crosses your mind, not knowing who or what on Earth they have been doing before, or share needles with 100 people without destroying your own body... Is it God's fault that people bury themsleves with this kind of lack of resposibility ? no.

Is it wrong to have sex with everyone that crosses your mind?
If you're single then and use protection then you can have sex with Platoons and ballet schools if you so wish, it's nobody's business but your own.
Do you think life is simply a prelude to heavenly reward Baastetnoir?
If that's the case your missing out on a whole lot fun and experience.

God created the Universe, but he didnt say " now Go Be dumb, stupid and careless and than blame it on me"... there must be a reason why the Bible recomends marital sex ONLY -- and I'm not beeing a puritane here, i did my share of "hangin'out ", but i was smart enough to be carefull... and i thank God for giving me a brain to think. I take responsibility for the Things that happen to be ...bad or Good...I do blame God... I may thank God for the help, but i wont blame him for my mistakes. We were given free -will and that comes with a WORLD of Responsibility.

You thank him for his help but don't blame him for his mistakes.
Interesting.
Next time you're angry at someone try blaming Allah and next time something goes right thank Buddah, Shiva or Odin...who knows they may give you the same result.

Let me put a senario forward.

A Protestant and a Catholic are in a cage. There is no escape from this cage and they will both eventually die but the Catholic has read the Bible and interpreted that in order to gain reward in Heaven he must kill the Protestant and the Protestant has read the Bible and interpreted that in order to gain reward in Heaven he must kill the Catholic.

My question to you is, which one of those people will go to heaven?

The sad thing about all this is that the poor children are born with this deadky desease because their parents were senseless... and than as always are those who get hit without doing anything wrong, like ER doctors, Wives that get it from adulterous husbands and vice-versa...and so on and on... whos fault is it ? God ? no... its the adulterous fault... its the drug addicts fault who contaminated him/herself and than ends up comtaminating a doctor

People take drugs for all kinds of reasons. They may be bought up the 11th of twelve kids in a Brazilian Shanty town, Their parents might have been burnt alive in front of them when they were six or their dreams of being a professional footballer were shattered when they lost their legs in a car crash.

Each story has to be judged seperately and you can't demonise someone simply because they are "On drugs"

As for the disease spreading Factor. Africa was changed by the Missionaries and the Pope still decress that contraception is against Gods Law.
So in a time of Global pain, death and misery God has decreed via his representative on earth that his poorest and most in need creations continue to die and pass on disease to their offspring all for the sake of a sheath of rubber.

That tells you what i think about God in a nutshell because even if he does exist, he obviously has no flucking clue what he's doing.

quote: So let me get this right. People are born with birth defects to teach the "Normal" people a lesson on how to love the contents of a person not the packaging.

I said thats MY view of the subject ...i didnt say "SO says the Lord"... and if you think eally deep about it... maybe you'll see its not so "rubished" after all...

Seriously ... ( assuming you are heterosexual, i really dont need to know the answer...lol...it's just and example) ... would you rather have a relationship with ...i dont know .... errr....a Victoria's Secret Angel or a woman who was born without the lower half of her body and with some facial deformities

That's a twisted idea that people born with disabilities to make us learn compassion. People are born with disabilities for 1001 reasons and i suggest you revise your opinion before you meet a parent or friend of a disabled person.

Of course the choice I'd go for the Victoria's Secret Angel everytime (and have Monica Belluci on the weekends) but thats because full bodied women turn me on , some people get turned on by Paraplegics, Midgets and even...gasp...children?

Would you say that someone who finds paraplegics attractive is on the same moral level as a peodophile?

I sincerely hope not.

fair enough... how did the Christian Belief affected your life, if you don't mind me asking?

I was brought up Methodist, attended Sunday school every week for 8 years , gave cans to Grandmas at harvest festivals and won the National Bible reading Competiton 3 years running.

I've never had a bad experience with the church and many things I learnt there have held me in good stead but I realised very early on that there was something fishy about the whole christianity business so I read , researched and came to the unstartling conclusion that much of what I'd been taught wasn't really Kosher.

The way i see it to beleive that none of the Bible is true is naive but to beleive all of it is true is god damn ridiculous.

nope. But even if he was ...remember Jesus was the Son of God, and God is Omnipresent, so Jesus could be too.

Mt.2:14

"When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt."

Whilst Luke say's:

Lk.2:39
"And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth."

Two different versions of the same event in the same bible.

There are many such errors and to sugegst that he was in both places at the same time....well...

Yes it is wierd, but it was also Prophecized... When Jesus came the Jewish people were expecting a Messiah that would release them from the romans and free them, but Jesus mission was different and thats why so many rejected him.

I might be wrong and haven't got the time to check but wasn't the Messiah supposed to free the Jewish race from the yoke of their oppressors?

answer me this if you can ... Would you give up your land, your country, your home, job, everything you have in life to let the Jewish nation move in to your place ? No.... you wouldnt... So why on Earth should the Jewish nation give up their Land for anyone else ?
You can't really be a nomad people for thousands of years, and than suddenly DEMAND a piece of land from soemone else, and expect them to give it to you ...

Well..because technically it's not Jewish land. The Romans once occupied most of europe so does that mean that 200 years later Italy can claim that France is rightfuly theirs?

The Jewish State was created after WW2, the Palestinians were moved out to the Gaza strip and Jerusalem reclaimed.

And you are dead right. You can't be a Nomad people for thousands of years then suddenly DEMAND a piece of land from someone else.

Which is exactly what the Jews did.

As for the rest, I'm not an atheist.

I neither deny the existance of God or celebrate it. I beleive in peoples ability to help themselves and others not the Doctrine of a corrupt religion whose history is based on death, suffering, theft, lies, corruption and genocide.

Maybe Jesus did exist but his life and history has been warped and distorted to such a degree that the real truth about the man may be lost to us forever.

Then again maybe It's all a fabrication, a tool of social control to keep the peasents quiet and sedated by promsing them reward in the afterlife.

Nobody knows for sure and all we can do is keep on searching.

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Originally posted by StJude
BaastetNoir- delighted madame[/quote

Hello again

But if you're claiming the book as fact then every word printed is fact and not open to any debate.

I can not disprove it ... the Bible manetions many odd things... but just becasue they are odd to me, doenst mean they couldn't have happened to other people.

Is it wrong to have sex with everyone that crosses your mind?
If you're single then and use protection then you can have sex with Platoons and ballet schools if you so wish, it's nobody's business but your own.
Do you think life is simply a prelude to heavenly reward Baastetnoir?
If that's the case your missing out on a whole lot fun and experience.

I think my post may have come out as a litle to prude... waht i meant was simply, that if you or anyone else decide to go out and take as many sexual risk as they want, they can't or at least shouldn't turn around and blame God for the un-wanted results...wheater they are deseases or un-wanted pregancies... God does not pulls our pants down... or up for that metter.

As to Heaven... hmmm... Heaven is a nice thought ... wheather i'll ever get there or not... who knows.
and i don't make life a qust for Hollyness and Worthiness of Heaven... but i do wonder ...if Heaven really exhists and is that amazing, is having "fun" (whatever fun may mean to everyone who reads this ) on Earth really worth loosing your "ticket" ?

On the other end....what if Heaven does not exhsit... and than after I die, I'll just sit there in my coffin, mumbling and growning about all the fun i could have have and didn't...

I guess thats one of those things that are different to everyone...a question of faith and choice.

Next time you're angry at someone try blaming Allah and next time something goes right thank Buddah, Shiva or Odin...who knows they may give you the same result.

When i'm mad at someone i make that person know it, i dont blame God for something I or someone else has donne wrong...,We all have free-will, and that comes with tons of resposibility.

Has to thanking any other diety... no need for that...i dont change winnings teams. As for Buddah, he was a man... in fact I dont think he would be too happy about how he is worshipped... but i could be wrong.

quote]Let me put a senario forward.

A Protestant and a Catholic are in a cage. There is no escape from this cage and they will both eventually die but the Catholic has read the Bible and interpreted that in order to gain reward in Heaven he must kill the Protestant and the Protestant has read the Bible and interpreted that in order to gain reward in Heaven he must kill the Catholic.

My question to you is, which one of those people will go to heaven?

I can't say... i would have to read what they read and see if what it said.
They could be both wrong in their interpretation. I personally would not follow anyone who told me I have to kill others. But like i said, I would have to read what they read to come to an answer.

People take drugs for all kinds of reasons. They may be bought up the 11th of twelve kids in a Brazilian Shanty town, Their parents might have been burnt alive in front of them when they were six or their dreams of being a professional footballer were shattered when they lost their legs in a car crash.

Each story has to be judged seperately and you can't demonise someone simply because they are "On drugs"

I dont think I was demonizing anyone or at least if I did I wasn't trying to do so, i simply said taking drugs as its consequences (believ me ...i know t first hand)... and there are people in this world with absolutly sad and horrible life stories that did not turn to drugs or crime. I took drugs for "fun" and had a perfectly normal childhood with a caring mom and a cranky dad...lol

As for the disease spreading Factor. Africa was changed by the Missionaries and the Pope still decress that contraception is against Gods Law.

St Jude... believe me...you dont want me to start on both the Catholic and Protestant Churches and the Vatican and their dispicable, disgusting antics for "Gospel spreading"... that could start an ATS vicious revolution....
But also... i seriously doubt that before the Catholics got to Africa they were using any kind of contraception... how else do you think there were so many people to be ignorantly sold as slaves?

Also, unfortunetly nowadays, in Africa, it is a common folk belief that if a man with HIV as sex with a virgin he will be healed... and it seems to be a folk belief not even the doctors can't get ridd of.

So in a time of Global pain, death and misery God has decreed via his representative on earth that his poorest and most in need creations continue to die and pass on disease to their offspring all for the sake of a sheath of rubber.

But who said the Catholic Church or protestant by that metter represents God ? Thats what they say... that don't mean its true. If they represented God they would have donne something about the Holocaust... and I dont mean receiveing the gold taken out of Jewsih and Polish families...including the one from teeth fillings.

That tells you what i think about God in a nutshell because even if he does exist, he obviously has no flucking clue what he's doing.

So you're a prent... you raise your kid the best you can... teach him as much as you ...give him everything you could ever give, told him whats wrong or right... and than he turns around and murders someone while he was having fun... Is that your fault ?

That's a twisted idea that people born with disabilities to make us learn compassion. People are born with disabilities for 1001 reasons and i suggest you revise your opinion before you meet a parent or friend of a disabled person.

I only knew 2 people that had disabled children , both with Dawn Syndrom... and it was actually becasue of what they said that this idea came to me.

Would you say that someone who finds paraplegics attractive is on the same moral level as a peodophile?

Of course not.,... what exactly did i Type that made think that ???

A child has nothing to do with waht I was trying to say... A child is a child ... wheter its a disabled one or not .

How did you get from disabled children to paralegicas and pedophiles ?

fair enough... how did the Christian Belief affected your life, if you don't mind me asking?

The way i see it to beleive that none of the Bible is true is naive but to beleive all of it is true is god damn ridiculous.

Well... its because some poepl pick and choose what to bleiev in from the Bibel or not that the Once Saved Always Save "snake oil" came up... no where in the Bible does it say Once Saved Always Saved... but peopel picked and choose...and thats one of the "delights" that came out.

nope. But even if he was ...remember Jesus was the Son of God, and God is Omnipresent, so Jesus could be too.

Mt.2:14

"When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt."

Whilst Luke say's:

Lk.2:39
"And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth."

Two different versions of the same event in the same bible.

There are many such errors and to sugegst that he was in both places at the same time....well...

well...taking that they had to walk pretty far distances... i would think that waht seems to be at the same time to us ( because we do have plains and can get anywhere in the world in the same day), may very well have a couple of months in between...?

I might be wrong and haven't got the time to check but wasn't the Messiah supposed to free the Jewish race from the yoke of their oppressors?

Didnt they get different rules in between ?

Well..because technically it's not Jewish land. The Romans once occupied most of europe so does that mean that 200 years later Italy can claim that France is rightfuly theirs?

It is and was Jewish land... thats why when the Romans got there they kicked out the Jews not the Palestinians. It is the Jews who have been constantly kicked out of their land for thoussand s of years... and its ahppenng again... but hey .., like i said before ...its an excuse to kill Jews ... just like Hitler use the " economy" and "race purifying" excuses to kill Jews.

Listen to the news of today... Have you noticed that both Iran and Palestin claim that there will only be Peace when there are no more Jews ? Doesnt that show you theres something fishy ?

The Jewish State was created after WW2, the Palestinians were moved out to the Gaza strip and Jerusalem reclaimed.

That was also Prophecized, that Israel would be rebuilt as a Nation.

And you are dead right. You can't be a Nomad people for thousands of years then suddenly DEMAND a piece of land from someone else.

Which is exactly what the Jews did.

If the Jews stole the land from Palestinians, how come Rome invaed Israle and not Palestine... ?

Maybe Jesus did exist but his life and history has been warped and distorted to such a degree that the real truth about the man may be lost to us forever.

How would you know if you didnt live with Jesus...?

Then again maybe It's all a fabrication, a tool of social control to keep the peasents quiet and sedated by promsing them reward in the afterlife.

Well that didnt work to good did it ? I dont see this world "sedaded" in order to achiev afterlife rewards... if anything some blow themselves up in order to get those rewards. thats far from beeing sedated.

Nobody knows for sure and all we can do is keep on searchin.

Agreed.

So i guess after all this it is right for me to assume that you don't believe Hurricane Katrina was an Act of God ?