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Intelligent Design: WHY Hurricane Katrina MUST be An Act of God?

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posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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Some fundamentalist “Christians” believe that god is interfering with life quite regularly (or at least when it comes to evolution). They came up with a philosophy called “creative-design” and now “intelligent-design” to argue that evolution is too random to explain the development of complex organisms. Therefore they argue that evolution is at least in part dependant on divine intervention.
In another post “Is Intelligent Design an Insult to Gods Intelligence?” I explained that an engineer who can design a plane without a pilot is better than one who can’t. Yet the passengers may feel safer on a plan with a pilot than the one without. I merely argued that fundamentalist Christians are like the passengers on the plane: That they are scared of a universe designed by a superior God who doesn’t need to act as its pilot as opposed to a universe designed by a more limited god who therefore has to (or at least needs to) act as its pilot.
Well today I just ask: If God is constantly inferring with evolution why isn’t he interfering with something like the whether?
If you believe in “intelligent design” then by definition you must accept that Hurricane Katrina was ether allowed to happen by a God who intervenes in life, or caused by a God who intervenes in life.
Therefore surely it is worth asking “what God’s action (or lack of action) during this event might have been for?”
Even if you’re like me and don’t believe in divine intervention on a regular basis you can still ask whether there was a divine purpose.
Not least because even if the only divine intervention that was ever needed in this universe was the creation of the universe itself (or whatever created that) then everything that has happened since then is still part of a chain reaction started God (including the weather).

Therefore all believers should ask themselves: “if there was a divine purpose in hurricane Katrina?” This unless of course you believe in “intelligent design” in which case (as said) there should be no question (or least prove me wrong).

God may have given us choice but the past and future are still written. Otherwise how could you travel backwards in time by breaking the speed of light? Or move forwards in time (even if it is less than a fraction of a second) just by moving?
This was scientifically proven in 1975 by Professor Carol Allie of the University of Maryland see links.

Good links, quickly mentions experiment
fs6.depauw.edu:50080...

Ok link.
www.geocities.com...

Talks of experiment
www.geocities.com...

Talks of experiment
www.plc.vic.edu.au...

Talks of experiment and gives you loads of scientific detail
praveenpr.topcities.com...

A more mainstream in depth explanation. Mentions experiment half way down
www.iit.edu...

If just moving causes you to travel forwards in time then the past and future are already written. Therefore God could have caused the New Orleans Hurricane by programming it in at the start of the universe (my belief) or causing it to happen round about now (“intelligent design” kind of belief).
So if God is, or was perhaps responsible for New Orleans; Americans and perhaps mankind as a whole should ask ourselves what Gods purpose for this event might have been? Otherwise we risk being ignorant of it, and therefore ignorant of God in relation to ourselves. Once more; maybe failure to ask questions like these will also make it necessary for something like this to repeat itself again.

Maybe the next Hitler or Stalin where living in New Orleans; but God didn’t kill them when they where last around. And in any case surely there are more effective ways a God could programme a universe (or certainly cause the laws of the universe) to change-or kill such people.
In which case I ask you what was god’s purpose for hurricane Katrina? I guess there’s no right or wrong answer, but surely believers and non believers alike should still ask ourselves these questions. I think it was for Iraq, but maybe also global warming. Please get started because otherwise this post will get buried!!!

(If you’re an atheist and that’s all you’ve got to say then I'm sure most people on here are aware that atheists exist).


[edit on 090705 by Liberal1984]




posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 06:32 PM
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I dunno, I think it's just nature. The world is full of different air pressures, wind speeds and water temperatures and sometimes these all come together and form hurricanes. This is hurricane season and it has been hurricane season every year at this time for as long as we have documented such events. I'm not saying that you don't raise good points here, but there hurricanes simply happen



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 06:43 PM
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If just moving causes you to travel forwards in time then the past and future are already written


WTF? So if I don't move then time will not pass? Thats just stupid. You own free will determines what is going to happen in the future. Flapping your arms about will not make you travel forward in time any more than standing as still as a rock. You are "travelling" forward in "time" regardless.

Time is human construct anyway. Without humans around to measure time, would time exist? Who would know if it did or didn't?

Sorry to go all zen on you there....



posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 05:10 AM
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well the hurricane is just like the tsunami. obviously god built this planet as a raging piece of rock surrounding molten lava, with extreme cold temperatures and extreme hot temperatures in different parts of the world. if god did make earth then why make it with tectonic plates...surely there's no need if you're able to design it so perfectly, thus this means tectonis plates are an imperfection, as is the molten rock because there is no need for it in a designed earth. the reason why the tectonic plates and molten rock are there are through cosmic evolution, and from this we can pretty much tell how earth was created (*note: not by god).

so if there is a volcano eruption, earthquake's causing tsunamis, weather pressures and vast oceans causing hurricanes, then yes they are all god's fault. an imperfect world for an imperfect species.


Urn

posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by stumason



If just moving causes you to travel forwards in time then the past and future are already written


WTF? So if I don't move then time will not pass? Thats just stupid. You own free will determines what is going to happen in the future. Flapping your arms about will not make you travel forward in time any more than standing as still as a rock. You are "travelling" forward in "time" regardless


i think liberal1984 is reffering to time dialation (the faster an object travels in relation to somthing else, the less time passes for the object)...just wanted to clear that up...(i hope thats what you were driving at liberal)



posted on Oct, 11 2005 @ 02:16 PM
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It seems that whenever anything devestating on a large scale happens there are people saying that it was an act of god, it seems like a convienient way to ignore the damage that WE have done to our earth and our ozone layer. You add that damage to the fact that were in a polar tilt it shouldn't suprise anyone that the weather and the earths geology are throwing us a few disasters. IMO this was an act of ignorance to our enviroment , not an act of god.



posted on Oct, 11 2005 @ 05:15 PM
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If God truely wanted to destroy people with weather, or other anomalies, then I don't think He would have given us the ability to predict the weather. That kinda sucks when you have a master plan for 2005 to kill of the next Hitler, and he can move to Texas until the storm passes because a weatherman told him to.

So that argument doesn't make sense.

God designed the Earth perfectly. He made it so that there are flucuating temperate zones, climate, and seasons. It gave Him a more interesting species to work with. Some can adapt to the cold, some to the heat, and some like to move around. He made the Earth from tectonic plates because, as we all know about the geology of the Earth, we are a ball of molten lava. If that lava needs an outlet, it finds the weak spot to unleash it's pressure (generally between the plates). What would happen if there was no fault or outlet? The magma would create it's own weak spot. What if that is in a highly populated area? We know now not to build our cities on fault lines (near, not on) or on top of a mountain because of the unpredictability. What chaos if we didn't know!

Humans came to measure time simply because we were intelligent enough to know that we needed a way to plot our crops. Man needs to eat. Hmm...there seems to be a cycle. From carving on a rock, Man mapped time.

Did God have a purpose for Katrina? Most likely not. He is like a kid with a top. Give it a spin, and see how long it can go until it stops.



posted on Oct, 11 2005 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by stumason

WTF? So if I don't move then time will not pass?


That's not what was said, what was said is that time goes by faster when we are moving...



Thats just stupid. You own free will determines what is going to happen in the future.


Right, but the choices that were made through your free will are already known.


Flapping your arms about will not make you travel forward in time any more than standing as still as a rock.


Actually, speaking strictly scientifically it will...



You are "travelling" forward in "time" regardless.


Indeed but the speed at which you travel through it can vary.



Without humans around to measure time, would time exist?


Yes.


Who would know if it did or didn't?


Other sentient beings.



[edit on 11/10/2005 by AkashicWanderer]



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 02:46 AM
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That's not what was said, what was said is that time goes by faster when we are moving...


If your talking about Einstein and E=MC2, then yes, technically, you are right, however, the effect only becomes noticable when you approach incredibaly fast speeds, which you are not going to achieve in the normal course of a human lifetime.

Ergo, for the sake of argument, we shall say flapping your arms around will not make you go forward in time any more noticeably than standing still.



Right, but the choices that were made through your free will are already known


Whilst some quantum theories suggest that time travel is possible and that you would not be able to change history due to the fact that quantum physics would prevent any change to the timeline you came from, hinting at a pre-ordained chain of events, this is nothing more than one theory in many so spouting it is as fact is misleading as it is merely your opinion that the future is pre-ordianed



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
If your talking about Einstein and E=MC2, then yes, technically, you are right, however, the effect only becomes noticable when you approach incredibaly fast speeds, which you are not going to achieve in the normal course of a human lifetime.


Agreed but in this thread the miniscule amount of time travel related to standard human speeds was used as a postulate to prove that the future is indeed written.


Whilst some quantum theories suggest that time travel is possible and that you would not be able to change history due to the fact that quantum physics would prevent any change to the timeline you came from, hinting at a pre-ordained chain of events, this is nothing more than one theory in many so spouting it is as fact is misleading as it is merely your opinion that the future is pre-ordianed


I did not think it was necessary to add this disclaimer:

All text within my posts is solely my opinion, and should not be taken as the absolute truth.



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 12:11 PM
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No need to add the disclaimer as I am well aware that is your opinion. The reason for my opposition to this is also for that very fact. The poster stated as indisputable fact that the future was pre-ordained, which is not the case.

Please, don't feel that I am opposing you for oppositions sake, merely showing other sides of the coin, so to speak.

For example, my comment on the concept of time and if people weren't around to expierience it, would it exist?

You stated that other sentient beings, also implying this as irrefutable fact that such beings exist, which, no matter how you look at it it, is a leap of faith.

It is rather like the proverbial tree falling in the forest, without you being there to see if it makes a sound or not, how could you possibly know?

The same goes for time. We assign the construct of time to explain the order of the Universe, but who is to say that the Universe needs time? Without Humanity, or any other sentient creature, what is the "need" for time?

So this leads onto the pre-ordained side of things. Without someone there to "expierience" the concept of time, how could time be pre-ordained?

Leading on, to come up with the idea of time would require sentience and if time is pre-ordained, that would require the existence of "someone" outside of time who controlled all ,in essence, a "God".

So to believe in the future being set in stone requires a firm belief in such a being. Also, if the past/present/future is set in stone, why is this being not part of that?

If he is not, then time is not universal and is most definately a human construct, which leads back to why such a being would set in stone certain events in the passage of a thing called time to which he was not part of and not aware. If he is aware of the passage of time, then he must also be a part of it and therefore, if the future is set, then the future of this being is also set, which contradicts the concept of a God, unless something else set the future, in which case, what is that "something else" and how is that creature aware of time but not part of it?



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
If your talking about Einstein and E=MC2, then yes, technically, you are right, however, the effect only becomes noticable when you approach incredibaly fast speeds, which you are not going to achieve in the normal course of a human lifetime.


Actually, Special Relativity applies at ALL speed. Try a little experiment. Get 2 stop watches, start them at the same time, then place one in a car and drive around with it for a few hours on the interstate. You'll notice at the end, one will be a little off of the other one. This is due to Special Relativity. Any motion causes time dialiation effects... though not really noticable.

As for intelligent design... if you've ever heard of the Butterfly Effect (no not the movie), shows that small disturbances can cause large atmospheric changes. These changes are physical not spiritual....

Besides, if God was the mastermind behind New Orleans.... let him know that Noah showed up too damn late....



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 12:55 PM
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My thoughts;

Intelligent design made us to serve the designer. We wanted to be free. Designer waves hands in air and says "You want to do it on your own? Go ahead. You'll be back." And now the designer is not here, letting randomness and free chioce take over. Now we want to go back - at least the ones that see his handywork.



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
No need to add the disclaimer as I am well aware that is your opinion. The reason for my opposition to this is also for that very fact. The poster stated as indisputable fact that the future was pre-ordained, which is not the case.


Again I think it is assumed that whatever anyone posts is solely their opinion, and not the absolute truth.


Please, don't feel that I am opposing you for oppositions sake, merely showing other sides of the coin, so to speak.


Fair enough, it's always good to look at both sides.


You stated that other sentient beings, also implying this as irrefutable fact that such beings exist, which, no matter how you look at it it, is a leap of faith.


If the only variable changed is the existance of humans, than the animals that live on earth would still be here. It is only logical to assume that some animals have at least a basic concept of time, and are sentient beings.



The same goes for time. We assign the construct of time to explain the order of the Universe, but who is to say that the Universe needs time? Without Humanity, or any other sentient creature, what is the "need" for time?


The evolving of galaxies, and celestial bodies. You are right, the notion of time was created by humans.


So this leads onto the pre-ordained side of things. Without someone there to "expierience" the concept of time, how could time be pre-ordained?


The movement of galaxies and other celestial bodies could already be predetermined.


Leading on, to come up with the idea of time would require sentience and if time is pre-ordained, that would require the existence of "someone" outside of time who controlled all ,in essence, a "God".


Agreed



So to believe in the future being set in stone requires a firm belief in such a being. Also, if the past/present/future is set in stone, why is this being not part of that?


This being created time, and is not bound by it.


If he is not, then time is not universal and is most definately a human construct, which leads back to why such a being would set in stone certain events in the passage of a thing called time to which he was not part of and not aware.


Time is not universal, it only applies to this third dimension. This however does not make time solely a human construct, as there could be other sentient beings aware of it.



If he is aware of the passage of time, then he must also be a part of it and therefore, if the future is set, then the future of this being is also set, which contradicts the concept of a God, unless something else set the future, in which case, what is that "something else" and how is that creature aware of time but not part of it?


God transcends the physical, and is also present in all other dimensions (4th, 5th, 6th, etc...) which are not bound by time. It is not as if this concept of God exists only in this universe.



posted on Oct, 20 2005 @ 04:15 AM
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I always liked the idea that if you didn’t experience something then it wouldn’t exist. Trouble is the whole world must have started with the creation of human race, possibly your own birth.
So reality is that if you don't exists, then stuff doesn’t exist for you. Reality is also that it doesn’t stop it existing for anything else that does.

"Stumason" you seemed to think that if moving makes you travel into the future then not moving would make time stand still. Therefore you seemed to think the idea of travelling through time by moving was wrong.
Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. By not moving time travels little faster than if you did. Time still travels if you don't move. But the closure you get to the speed of light the slower time gets. At the speed of light time goes to a standstill (beyond) and you backwards (nobody has worked out how to brake the speed of light yet).
All these things are well understood established bits of astrophysics. Steven Hawkings "History of Time" is quite good beginner’s book.

"Alternative" you said you thought it was just the weather. Fairer enough but if (as is under the philosophy of Intelligent Design) God interferes with life on a regular basis then he certainly allowed Katrina to happen.
Furthermore if everything is a chain reaction was from the start of the universe then what the weather do now was written into to it then. And if God created the universe then it’s his doing.
Trouble is for what purpose? Is Katrina just an inevitable sacrifice to allow the laws which govern the weather to operate, is it more than that?

By the way I don’t believe in “intelligent design” which is one of the reasons I linked it Katrina, the other reason is that its own arguments mean it should be.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 12:54 PM
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Hurricane Katrina - not God's judgement!


I've heard a lot of people claiming that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgement upon America or at least upon New Orleans. The truth is, that's nothing but a lie made up by self-righteous people who think their sins are somehow better than the people of New Orleans. The people who made up this lie also do not understand the Covenant of Peace that God established through the finished work of Jesus Christ. People have put more faith and confidence in a rainbow that God gave Noah, than they do the blood of Jesus! Jesus Christ appeased the wrath of God completely. God isn't angry at us anymore. The truth is, there were Christians who died in New Orleans and other cities affected by the hurricanes. Would God destroy the righteous with the wicked?? He wouldn't have even committed such an act under the Old Covenant! Let's stop blaming God!

I felt compelled to share these 2 sermons with everyone that I could.
Please click these links to listen to the best sermons I've heard so far concerning Hurricane Katrina:

impactministries.propagation.net...

www.fambible.org...


Please read these Scriptures:
Isaiah 54:9
Luke 2:14
Luke 9:56
John 10:10
2 Corinthians 5:19
1 John 2:2


If this hurricane truly was the "judgement and wrath of God", then what are we doing helping the victims? Are you telling me that God designed this hurricane so that these people would suffer, yet we're supposed to be helping them escape from their suffering? If God's the one who destroyed their homes in "judgement", then shouldn't we leave these people homeless?
Do you see how stupid this concept is? I'm convinced that the professing Christians, who hold God responsible for this tragedy, truly believe in their hearts that they are more righteous, loving and compassionate than God is. That's why they blame God for calamity and then offer to help the victims. It makes no logical or biblical sense.

These hurricanes were NOT God's judgement!
They were also not His will. Just because something happens doesn't mean that it was God's will. The Bible is very clear that many of the things that happen in this earth are not His will.

I pray and believe that more people will come to the knowledge of the Truth concerning these recent tragedies. God is not the one responsible.

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If someone reading this has lost relatives or friends during one of these recent disasters, please do not believe the words of judgement that so many religious people are passing upon them. God did not destroy your loved ones. God did not "allow" these hurricanes for some redemptive purpose.

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Thanks for your time.


Changing the way the world sees God....

Justin Stout



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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Some people call god,allAH or JehovAH,but one thing i noticed is if you spell the names of the hurricanes which caused the most damage,,alil differently you would get katrinAH WilmAH and RitAH...DID YOU NOTICE THE AH'S ..MAYBE THIS WAS A CLUE FROM GOD?...



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by THE_LYON_KING
Some people call god,allAH or JehovAH,but one thing i noticed is if you spell the names of the hurricanes which caused the most damage,,alil differently you would get katrinAH WilmAH and RitAH...DID YOU NOTICE THE AH'S ..MAYBE THIS WAS A CLUE FROM GOD?...


There are many problems with that theory.. but one of them is that weathermen named these tropical storms, not God.


The main thing that God is "trying to tell us" during these hurricanes is that He is not responsible for them, but that He is the God of all comfort and more than willing to help us during tragedy.

How can people turn to God for consolation if we tell them that God is the one who wiped out their houses and killed their babies with a hurricane? People need to stop blaming God for the fallen state of this world. God is not the one responsible for sin and evil.

God is not guilty!



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 11:23 PM
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Katrina was an act of God for sure so to speak:
journals.aol.com...
America is a nation that is under God's judgement. Its practically like Sodom and Gomorah...


But I also believe inweather manipulation and this storm was definitely man made.
And yes, its possible for it to be a man made storm and for it to be the wrath of God at the same time:

journals.aol.com...

God is soveriegn and that these things that evil people do are part of God's judgement (Rev 17:17). In the end the Illuminati will also be judged (Dan 7).



posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 12:20 AM
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a Biblical response to Hurricane Katrina

written 9/24/2005



Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina we see that the gospel of Jesus Christ and the cross is still offensive to many people. The Bible says, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief cornerstone, elect, precious; and he who believes in him shall not be ashamed. To you, therefore who believes, he is precious. But to them who are disobedient, the stone that the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, to them who stumble at the word, being disobedient. [1 Peter 2:6-8; Romans 9:33]


So, how is it that we clearly see the offense of the gospel in the aftermath of Katrina? By the mouths of several so-called Christian spokespeople, who are preaching that God had executed judgment on New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast for their wickedness (a la Sodom and Gomorrah). The offense is clearly seen from the righteous and unveiled side of the cross where we are rejoicing in God's mercy through Jesus--and not His judgment as some others are. The reason being is that these people are vicariously executing their own sense of justice (or what they would do if they were God) totally without even considering the message of the gospel and the meaning of the cross.


Even worse, they have degraded the suffering that Jesus endured--and have trampled upon the Son of God as it is written in Hebrews 10:29, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified, a unholy thing and has done [it] despite the Spirit of grace.


Brothers and sisters in Christ, and those that do know yet know Him, I beg you by the mercies of God that you understand this simple truth. God has judged the world and found it and everyone in it guilty. Because of His great love for us, God, instead of executing His full wrath upon all mankind, sent His Son Jesus into the world to suffer rejection, torture, and to die upon a cursed cross, and suffer the penalty of judgment, which we deserved, which was separation from God, and to take the sin of the entire world upon His body, being made a curse for us, so that we would have a way to be reconciled to God, the gift of eternal life by placing our complete trust in what Jesus did. And after His resurrection, Jesus ascended into Heaven to forever sit at the right hand of the God, living ever to make intercession for us, being the mediator of the new covenant established and confirmed by His precious blood. Brothers and sisters, knowing this, was the suffering and shed blood of the Son of God not enough to stay God's execution of judgment?


Did it only serve to appease the angry God of the Old Testament for 2,000 years? Apparently, in the minds of some in the religious world, it wasn't. By saying that God is executing judgment with a hurricane, they are saying that the precious blood of our Lord and Savior, the sinless Lamb of God, the only human being ever to live without sin, who willingly laid down His life for us, was not enough to satisfy God's wrath. And herein is the offense of the cross because the sacrifice of Jesus was more than enough to completely destroy sin and wipe out all
transgressions that were against us through the law, nailing it to His cross [Colossians 2:14].


What the gospel teaches is that the whole world is guilty before God; and therefore we are all on a level playing field. Consequently "saintly" folks like Mother Teresa, Pope John Paul, Billy Graham, and even the apostles are no more worthy (or less worthy) to receive forgiveness than the likes of Adolf Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, or the BTK killer, or any raping, murdering, child molester who has ever been born.


Again, this truth is what offends religious people who think their works make them worthy and a "good choice" for God's redemption, while they look down their noses upon people who otherwise are not walking with the same piety. The apostle Paul sharply scolded those religious people who judge others while they themselves commit the same offenses. Romans 2:1 says,
Therefore you are inexcusable, O man whosoever you are who judges. For wherein you judge another, you condemn yourself because you that judges another, you do the same things. Let me remind you of what is written in James 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


Consequently, you religious people who think the city of New Orleans received judgment for its transgressions, you are even more guilty because not only are you guilty and deserving of punishment, but you, thinking you are escaping the judgment of God while boasting in your own goodness and position, you will actually have a worse fate than they because as the Bible says,
But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them who commit such things. And you think this O (religious) man, who judges them who do such things, and you do the same that you shall escape the judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of his
(God's) goodness and forebearanace and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? [Romans 2:2-4]


In truth, anyone who thinks God has judged any country, place, or people since the death and resurrection of Christ is despising the goodness of God. Religious people just cannot bring themselves to the understanding that the worst vile person on this earth is just as worthy as they are of having relationship with God, being blessed, and healed, and prospered and totally forgiven. Although no one would actually admit this, but their words, when they make such claims about Hurricane Katrina, 911, and the Pacific Tsunami being God's judgment, betray what is in their hearts. They are offended.


When I was a police officer and did not know the Lord, I was offended when I heard that some serial killer had been born again in prison and had given his life to Jesus Christ. It disgusted me to think that this evil and wicked person would have even been given the chance to repent because of what he had done. My words were, "If that scum bag gets to go to Heaven, then I don't want to be there." According to Scripture, I was despising the goodness of God. Wow, was I deceived!


The cross and the gospel of Jesus Christ was an offense at the time of Jesus, and still is today; and it is just as destructive because it comes from the mouths of our so-called "leaders" in the church. Jesus said this in Luke 13 in response to being told about the Galileans whose blood Roman Governor Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. Do you suppose that these Galileans were sinners above all Galileans because they suffered such things? I tell you, No, but except you repent you shall likewise perish. Or those eighteen upon whom the tower of Siloam fell and slew them, do you think they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, No, but except you repent, you shall likewise perish. Jesus is teaching us that we cannot judge someone's level of sinfulness based on what is or has happened in their lives--as if punishment and reward were distributed proportionate to a person's wickedness or goodness. If this were true, wouldn't a country like Haiti and the Sudan, or any Muslim nation have been destroyed long ago? Or wouldn't a city like Las Vegas or Hollywood have been leveled by now?


Rather, Jesus is teaching us not to judge another person, but focus on your own relationship with God or you will perish as well. Did New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast deserve the destruction it received? Not really. In fact, it deserved much more. I believe Sodom and Gomorrah paled in comparison to what goes on in many of our cities. But thanks be to God who doesn't give us what we deserve, but has given us grace, mercy, and forgiveness because of the covenant in Jesus Christ. Jesus suffered so that God would have no more floods as in the days of Noah, or destruction like Sodom and Gomorrah. His anger is stayed; His wrath appeased as it is written in Isaiah 54:8-10, In a little wrath I hid my face from you for a moment; but with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you, says the Lord your Redeemer. For this is as the waters of Noah to me. For I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth, so have I sworn that I would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you. For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed, and my kindness shall not depart from you; neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed from you, says the Lord who has mercy on you.


And in Hebrews 10:16, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord. I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them. And their sins and iniquities I will remember no more.


As long as the true gospel is preached, people will be offended by it. For you who are offended by this letter and thus by the gospel of peace, you have your reward. Because the Bible speaks to them who refuse to humble themselves, despising the gospel, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. Of how much sorer punishment do you suppose shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified, a unholy thing and has done [it] despite the Spirit of grace? [Hebrews 10:28-29]


I write these things not to intending to be harsh, but for your encouragement in the love of God in Christ Jesus. Furthermore, I am in no way suggesting that there are no consequences for sin. The Bible is clear when it says Be not deceived. God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap. For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall reap of the Spirit life everlasting. [Galatians 6:7-8] This verse speaks of personal judgments or consequences of a person's actions (good or bad) not the sin of a city, state, or region.


It is the unconditional love and goodness of God that draws us to Him, so I ask you to meditate upon His love and rejoice in the grace, mercy, and forgiveness of God extended to everyone through Jesus Christ, with all thanksgiving that God is not the author of destruction, but of life, joy, and peace.


Finally, under the New Covenant, God's method of correction with His children is through His revealed Word of God. This is supported by Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Corinthians 10:11). May the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.


Other Scriptures that support this teaching:


Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation. Even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


John 5:22-27 For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son [so] that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father who has sent him. For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given
[life] to the Son to have life in himself. And [he] has given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.


Isaiah 53:4 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement [punishment] of our peace [with God] was [placed] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.


Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, as it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs upon a tree.


2 Corinthians 5:21 For he [God] has made him [Jesus] to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Mark 15:34 And in the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eloi, Eloi, lama sa-bachtha-ni? Which is being interpreted, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?


Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.


Hebrews 9:24-28 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place every year with blood of others. For then must he [Jesus] often have suffered since the foundation of the world. But now once in the end of the world he has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of man; and unto them that look for him he shall appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.




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