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Originally posted by Byrd
have you not been reading about the health issues that are cropping up?
Here are CDC's Interim Immunization Recommendations for Emergency Responders: Hurricane Katrina
1. Tetanus and diphtheria toxoid (receipt of primary series, and Td booster within 10 years)
2. Hepatitis B vaccine series for persons who will be performing direct patient care or otherwise expected to have contact with bodily fluids
There is no indication for the following vaccines given the anticipated conditions in the region:
* Hepatitis A vaccine (low probability of exposure, even under these conditions, in U.S.) No transmission from contaminated water has been identified in the U.S. since the 1980's. Hepatitis A outbreaks have not occurred following other hurricanes or floods in other parts of the country, including the devastating hurricanes in Florida last year, and the midwestern floods of the late 1990's. The Gulf Region has had few hepatitis A cases in recent years, with less than 10 in the past 3 months reported from the New Orleans area. Thus, even though the water and sewage systems are damaged or out of operation in many areas along the Gulf Coast, the risk of a hepatitis A epidemic is extremely low. Vaccine will take at least one to two weeks to provide substantial immunity.
* Typhoid vaccine (low probability of exposure, even under these conditions, in U.S.),
* Cholera vaccine (low probability of exposure, even under these conditions, in U.S., plus no licensed cholera vaccine available in the U.S.), or
* meningococcal vaccine (no expectation of increased risk of meningococcal disease among emergency responders).
* rabies vaccine series (the full series is required for protection). Persons who are exposed to potentially rabid animals should be evaluated and receive standard post-exposure prophylaxis, as clinically appropriate.
Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by edsinger
...but you have your answers for the most part.
[edit on 11-9-2005 by edsinger]
Actually, no I don't ed. Sorry, I really don't. I have bureaucratic reasons that confirm a lot of the things, but I don't have answers to some of the more important things.
Like do they get to come and go from the camp? That was not answered.
Why the military presence? Not addressed.
I have a set of questions posted in this thread that still need to be answered. Until then, NO, all of my concerns have not been addressed.
Originally posted by Relentless
WCIP - you can't be serious. One or two posters scared off a gov't official? I would think somoeone in his position would be well versed to address at least Val's legitimate questions, even under the "tough crowd" at ATS.
Originally posted by Relentless
I for one cannot blame some of the less mature posters (oh, maybe that includes me) for a sudden silence.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
It did not take me long to learn that Falls creek has its own member well ensconced within the compound, which means that the Southern Baptist Church by attrition, must be in bed with FEMA to make this a detention centre.
September 4, 2005- Executive leadership from the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma met with government officials on Sunday to coordinate the logistics for welcoming an estimated 3,000 hurricane disaster survivors to the campus of Falls Creek Baptist Conference Center near Davis, Oklahoma. Survivors of Hurricane Katrina are expected to arrive at Falls Creek throughout the day on Monday…
Sam Porter, disaster relief coordinator for Oklahoma Baptist Disaster Relief, flew to Oklahoma from the Hurricane stricken area in time to be at the Sunday meeting. Porter will lead Baptist relief efforts at Falls Creek…. www.bgco.org...[57F338A6-2B68-47B7-9AD0-3583FE4931D5]&sc=-1&ni=518&fr=news
I doubt this piece was intended to expose the SBC as complicit in detaining Americans in the manner portrayed, or said member of the SBC would not be opening herself up by association to such despicable acts, yet said member was anxious to report a conspiracy without first having done any research;
A church camp in southern Oklahoma was expecting as many as 3,000 evacuees from the storm-battered Gulf Coast region, but none had arrived there by early Tuesday…
Falls Creek will be the second evacuation center in the state for victims of Hurricane Katrina. About 1,500 evacuees arrived late Saturday and early Sunday at Camp Gruber, a National Guard training camp in northeastern Oklahoma 18 miles southeast of Muskogee.
More than 100 of them left after contacting family or friends. www.kotv.com...
Or bothered to contact fellow Southern Baptists rushing to volunteer
09/06/2005 8:24:53 AM PDT
I don't know what is going on. The Baptist General Convention here in OK put out a call for volunteers to come to Falls Creek to help prepare it for evacuees and we all showed up. Heh! I mean it seemed like we all showed up to help! I'm talking bumper-to-bumper Baptists. My church drove 4 hours to get there. Thousands of Baptists showed up and when we all got there, apparently FEMA asked the BGC to restrict it to 500 volunteers. They literally turned away thousands of volunteers.
Last I heard the evacuees were held up in Texas.
… Apparently, Falls Creek (where I went yesterday) is all ready...beds made up with fresh linens, the kitchen is stocked and volunteers are lined up to deliver meals to the cabins.
Still no evacuees.
The rumor is that no one is willing to leave the Astrodome to come here. It's just a rumor, but it sure is strange. They were supposed to arrive yesterday
For a detention centre meant to hold American citizens in some conspiratorial manner, I note that ordinary citizens were allowed past the gates and that some unnamed volunteer was quoted as though his/her understanding of events was gospel.
Wednesday, September 07, 2005
This weekend, around 15,000 volunteers poured into Falls Creek, but now the evacuation site has been put on hold and fewer than 100 volunteers remain.
Tuesday, these cribs were ready for toddlers, a stuffed animal placed in each one. But today, they?re empty, the sheets and toys are bagged up and the cribs are abandoned.
Since Sunday, hundreds of volunteers have been making beds, preparing food and sorting thousands of donations, but now there is a chance the estimated 3,000 evacuees will not come.
no thought that fellow Southern Baptists would have their reputations impugned by one of its own, such that they as volunteers are being made complicit in the forcible detainment of fellow Americans.
Originally posted by Mirlin11
2.) Some seem more than willing to just accept whatever good ole Ed responds with because he seems like a likeable guy and a government employee. I find the ease with which some people do this to be alittle disturbing.
As i can see from some of the other posts, Ed is not a new member. He told us who he was and was not being overt about it at all.
Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
Ed joined this site on Sunday, Sept. 11, 2005
Originally posted by loam
I have to admit, your research raises some interesting points.
When are you testing the Mississippi angle?
Originally posted by Mirlin11
While doing a search on Ed, I found something interesting:
"Saturday, August 27, 2005
[CrisisAlert] Hurricane Katrina
President Bush has declared LA a state of emergency
Ed Kostiuk, EMT-W
sent from my Blackberry Wireless Handheld"
I cannot verify the validity of this info but This appears to be a text message or e-mail sent from Ed's Blackberry Wireless Handheld. The link I found this at is here- Sent from Ed's Wireless Blackberry
If Ed did in fact send this text message or e-mail as it appears and LA was declared a state of emergency by Bush on 8/27/05, why did it take four days for FEMA to act in the wake of the disaster? Why did it take another week before they deployed the 1,200 trailers set aside at Fort Gillam for this kind of emergency. Clearly, the President himself AND Ed new there was a state of emergency in LA before "Black Monday".
[edit on 12-9-2005 by Mirlin11]