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reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 09:01 PM by RANT
Originally posted by edsinger
I do not know how familiar you are with these boards but there are a bunch that hate America no matter what it does even some citizens. Some that believe that Bush actually caused 911, they see conspiracies in everything sometimes to the point of laughter on my part. I have been here a little over a year and have seen it time and time again.

Here is one example,

Originally posted by WyrdeOneor was he simply engaged in a drive by propagandizing on behalf of the subterranean FEMA overlords? Only time will tell.


FEMA overloards?


Wyrde was obviously being witty. Unlike when you say an organized conspiracy of metaphysical demons, scientists, college professors and marxists are coming to take your guns, ban the bible and turn you gay. You mean it with all your heart and would burn freedom to the ground before letting people with differing opinions have any themselves. I give you that much. Not a snarky bone in your head.

I am definitely one of the minority in here, so far to the right that I get hammered a lot.


No that's everywhere Ed. But the other Ed has been welcomed repeatedly so that goes without saying, and playing this enormous and diverse international community off as irrelevant or one-sided or a bunch of non-critical thinkers that merely "hate America" is unequivocally a horrible misrepresentation of the facts and contrary to the seemingly insurmountable pure heart and soul of abovetopsecret.com members worldwide.


reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 10:23 PM by Nygdan
Originally posted by edsinger
The Bush haters by FAR outnumber those who like him, they have even been blaming him for the response to Katrina.

Gosh, imagine that, he appointed these people to run fema, and didn't get invovled as the cheif executive, and people hold him somewhat responsible. Hurm. How strange. ALso notice that in your view on this, the only peopel that are critical of the president are bush-haters. Surely one can generally support the president and still criticize him on particular issues. Hell, surely one can completely disagree with the president and still not hate him. Lots of people, in fact, seem to do just this. You are classing them all as these 'bush bashers', who surely exist, but its blind to say that all criticism comes from knee jerk bush bashing. Brown was a complete screw up, and apparently lots of directors in fema, appointed by bush, were also, and they just happened to be supporters of him.

Its called political patronage, bush isn't immune from going along with it. He appointed them, he's the cheif executive, and they are failures and hacks. He screwed up, and the screw up rests on him. Its not his fault that the peopel of Louisiania and New Orleans in particular were silly enough to let the levees that protected their city from the gulf of mexico's waters, which they were under be substandard, and its not bushes fault that the peopel of new orleans sat in their homes when their own mayor ordered an evacuation, and its not even bushes fault that fema wasn't there on day one after the hurricane. But if you delegate your authority and responsibility to someone, and they screw up, its your fault.
You bet! Fruitloops, you can bank on it

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reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 10:47 PM by SkepticOverlord
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reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 11:00 PM by SomewhereinBetween
I read the ‘detainment’ thread by Valhall earlier to page one before I closed it, now I read this, and skim through to page two and have no doubt that a conspiracy to be spawn one need only create a one-sided point of view.

It did not take me long to learn that Falls creek has its own member well ensconced within the compound, which means that the Southern Baptist Church by attrition, must be in bed with FEMA to make this a detention centre.
September 4, 2005- Executive leadership from the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma met with government officials on Sunday to coordinate the logistics for welcoming an estimated 3,000 hurricane disaster survivors to the campus of Falls Creek Baptist Conference Center near Davis, Oklahoma. Survivors of Hurricane Katrina are expected to arrive at Falls Creek throughout the day on Monday…

Sam Porter, disaster relief coordinator for Oklahoma Baptist Disaster Relief, flew to Oklahoma from the Hurricane stricken area in time to be at the Sunday meeting. Porter will lead Baptist relief efforts at Falls Creek….
www.bgco.org...{57F338A6-2B68-47B7-9AD0-3583FE4931D5}&sc=-1&ni=518&fr=news

I doubt this piece was intended to expose the SBC as complicit in detaining Americans in the manner portrayed, or said member of the SBC would not be opening herself up by association to such despicable acts, yet said member was anxious to report a conspiracy without first having done any research;
A church camp in southern Oklahoma was expecting as many as 3,000 evacuees from the storm-battered Gulf Coast region, but none had arrived there by early Tuesday…

Falls Creek will be the second evacuation center in the state for victims of Hurricane Katrina. About 1,500 evacuees arrived late Saturday and early Sunday at Camp Gruber, a National Guard training camp in northeastern Oklahoma 18 miles southeast of Muskogee.

More than 100 of them left after contacting family or friends. www.kotv.com...

Or bothered to contact fellow Southern Baptists rushing to volunteer
09/06/2005 8:24:53 AM PDT
I don't know what is going on. The Baptist General Convention here in OK put out a call for volunteers to come to Falls Creek to help prepare it for evacuees and we all showed up. Heh! I mean it seemed like we all showed up to help! I'm talking bumper-to-bumper Baptists. My church drove 4 hours to get there. Thousands of Baptists showed up and when we all got there, apparently FEMA asked the BGC to restrict it to 500 volunteers. They literally turned away thousands of volunteers.

Last I heard the evacuees were held up in Texas.
… Apparently, Falls Creek (where I went yesterday) is all ready...beds made up with fresh linens, the kitchen is stocked and volunteers are lined up to deliver meals to the cabins.

Still no evacuees.

The rumor is that no one is willing to leave the Astrodome to come here. It's just a rumor, but it sure is strange. They were supposed to arrive yesterday

www.freerepublic.com...

For a detention centre meant to hold American citizens in some conspiratorial manner, I note that ordinary citizens were allowed past the gates and that some unnamed volunteer was quoted as though his/her understanding of events was gospel.

Mere hours after said post on the internet, one might conclude that said post shot to someone’s top priority list in order to manage the impending damage as a result of same;
Wednesday, September 07, 2005
This weekend, around 15,000 volunteers poured into Falls Creek, but now the evacuation site has been put on hold and fewer than 100 volunteers remain.

Tuesday, these cribs were ready for toddlers, a stuffed animal placed in each one. But today, they?re empty, the sheets and toys are bagged up and the cribs are abandoned.

Since Sunday, hundreds of volunteers have been making beds, preparing food and sorting thousands of donations, but now there is a chance the estimated 3,000 evacuees will not come.

Well, there’s a lot of reasons for that and we don’t know all of those reasons,? said Sam Porter, Oklahoma Baptist Disaster Relief Director. ?Some evacuees are at the Astrodome and they are still hoping against hope to go back home and maybe go back to their jobs, but truthfully, many of their homes and jobs are not there.? www.kten.com...


There was no thought of lessee/lessor obligations such as liability and property insurance, no thought that the presence of the ambulance and various policing is and should be a requirement when a makeshift town is made; no thought that policing should be a necessity, and no thought that in order to install the latter two in a place where no facilities are already established, vehicular presence would be expected on the roads at that since no housing for same is present at this youth camp; no thought that fellow Southern Baptists would have their reputations impugned by one of its own, such that they as volunteers are being made complicit in the forcible detainment of fellow Americans.

And worse, Ed, a government employee, decides to compound the alarmist report by dignifying same with a response.


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