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NEWS: China Speaks - Criticises U.S War On Terror

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posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 05:55 AM
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On the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks in America that rocked the nation China has spoken out criticising the U.S led "War On Terror" saying the campaign faced a gloomy future. The commentary was released by Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency and also said the blame to the problem is the US invading Iraq without the strong backing and support of the United Nations along with the cooperation of the Iraqi people. The Chinese stated that "It is obvious that the war on terror can only be won by relieving peliminating the political, economic and social conditions under which terrorism and extremism breed and cooperating closely with the rest of the international community under the UN leadership,"
 



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The September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States blamed on Al-Qaeda resulted in Mr Bush launching the "war on terror".

In Afghanistan, the overthrown Taliban regime and Al-Qaeda were staging a comeback and recruiting worldwide, thus making it almost impossible to forestall every terrorist attack, Xinhua said.

Post-Saddam Iraq was witnessing an worsening security situation, a fierce power struggle among the political parties, and a difficult start to reconstruction of the country, according to Xinhua's assessment.

"After 9/11, the US government has gradually pushed ahead with a strategy characterised by unilateralism and pre-emptive strike, which has become both America's national security strategy and guidelines in the fight against terrorism," Xinhua said.

"To achieve its goal, the US administration needs to get to the root of terrorism to find the solution.



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Well said China. China has done well to speak out in an international environment that does not want to hear what it has to say, especially on this issue. Yes China has made many mistakes with their own people but I think now the point they wanted to get across has been heard.




posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 06:09 AM
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"It is obvious that the war on terror can only be won by relieving peliminating the political, economic and social conditions under which terrorism and extremism breed and cooperating closely with the rest of the international community under the UN leadership."

Very Well Said!



Way to go China!



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
"It is obvious that the war on terror can only be won by relieving peliminating the political, economic and social conditions under which terrorism and extremism breed and cooperating closely with the rest of the international community under the UN leadership."

Very Well Said!



Way to go China!


Riiight...is that why China does not have terrorist attacks?.....


But China may well use the Uzbekistan bombings to strengthen its hand in cracking down further on Muslim activists in resource-rich Xinjiang. In a report issued in January 2002, China said 200 violent incidents took place between 1990 and 2001. At a press conference this April 12, Xinjiang government Chairman Simayi Teliwardi said there had been no blasts or assassination incidents in Xinjiang in "recent years", a sign that China indeed may have the situation generally under control and that terrorist violence has declined.


Excerpted from.
www.atimes.com...

Could the execution of at least 600 people a year, that we know of and go reported...., be the way the Chinese deal with terrorists, or suspected terrorists in their own soil?....


China is using the "war on terror" to justify its longstanding repression of the rights of the Uighur community, according to a new report by Amnesty International. Many Uighurs flee to neighbouring countries, but growing numbers are being forcibly returned to China where they face torture and execution.


Excerpted from.
web.amnesty.org...


Is this why China glorified the terrorist attacks of 9/11 in the US?....


THE Chinese state-run propaganda machine is cashing in on the terror attacks in New York and Washington, producing books, films and video games glorifying the strikes as a humbling blow against an arrogant nation.

Video discs filled with lurid images along with dramatic opera music and even the theme from Jaws have flooded the nation's markets in the wake of the attacks.

Disc after disc bear the imprimatur of the Communist Party-controlled media. The most popular DVDs have been produced by the Xinhua information agency, Beijing Television and China Central Television.

Communist Party officials say President Jiang Zemin has obsessively watched and re-watched pictures of the aircraft crashing into the World Trade Centre. In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, workers at Beijing Television worked round-the-clock to produce a documentary they called Attack America.


Excerpted from.
www.portal.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2001/11/04/wchin04.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/11/04/ixhome.html


Is this why two Chinese officials mentioned in a book approved by the Chinese government that in Unconventional warfare they should use terrorists, such as Osama Bin Laden in striking such places as the WTC....and this was published two years before the attacks in the US....


Is there a connection between China and Osama bin Laden and his organization and the attacks on the US? No one can answer that question with certainty even though news stories claim that a connection exists. One fact seems certain, however: Al Qaeda leaders may have learned from the book "Unrestricted Warfare" to plan their attacks on the US. More than three years before the September 11 attacks, the two Chinese colonels predicted that an inferior adversary could defeat a more powerful country: in this case, the US.

"Whether it be intrusions of hackers, a major explosion at the World Trade Center, or a bombing attack by bin Laden, all of these greatly exceed the frequency bandwidths understood by the American military," the colonels say. "This is because they have never taken into consideration and have even refused to consider means that are contrary to tradition and to select measures of operation other than military means."


Excerpted from.
www.taipei.org...

Way to go China heh Souljah?......


[edit on 11-9-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 06:59 AM
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Ya know the hard core right wingers on here will have a field day with this...so much for the faithful, their opinions can be discounted as a given. BUT before all the hootananny and howling begins I would like to say AMEN!!! Just because China is a totalarian regime does not mean that they cannot speak the truth sometimes.

"It is obvious that the war on terror can only be won by relieving peliminating the political, economic and social conditions under which terrorism and extremism breed"

The more thoughtful among us have been saying for years that you cannot fight extremists with bullets and bombs...they expect and want that...you have to address the root causes that spawn terrorism in the first place, and no it isn't religion, that's just the code they cast their arguements in, no you need to address social unjustice, poverty and the resentments bred into a population that has been treated like pawns by the great powers. Only then can we really get a handle on global terrorism.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 07:02 AM
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Ya know the hard core right wingers on here will have a field day with this... Speaking of...I have always wanted to say it so I am going to sayit now...considering the usual size and number of Mauddib's postings...he really has way too much time on his hands.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by grover
Ya know the hard core right wingers on here will have a field day with this...so much for the faithful, their opinions can be discounted as a given.


Opinions?.... I gave hard facts grover...you are the one that gave opinions...


Originally posted by grover
BUT before all the hootananny and howling begins I would like to say AMEN!!! Just because China is a totalarian regime does not mean that they cannot speak the truth sometimes.


Right... you want to listen to totalitarian regimes who execute suspected terrorists.... I wonder what you would say if the US executed 600+ people a year because they are suspected of being terrorists, because they are pro-democratic, or because their organs need to be sold to a rich person somewhere.....

China is right huh?..... Hey, maybe you are right and we should do what the Chinese government does.....

[edit on 11-9-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by grover
Ya know the hard core right wingers on here will have a field day with this... Speaking of...I have always wanted to say it so I am going to sayit now...considering the usual size and number of Mauddib's postings...he really has way too much time on his hands.


and the people that have the most free time, are the ones always claiming this..... while they are the ones posting the most....

Say grover, you don't have any hard facts to back what you say as always?...


[edit on 11-9-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 07:18 AM
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The numbers were provided instead by the government's new clearinghouse for terrorism-related information, the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), and included statistics documenting a sharp surge in significant terrorist acts from 175 incidents that killed 625 in 2003 to 651 such attacks that killed 1,907 in 2004. But senior officials said the threefold increase was a result of changes in methodology and urged reporters at a hastily called briefing not to compare this year's terrorism numbers with previous ones. Congressional aides already had disclosed the increase in terrorist incidents to reporters Tuesday after a private briefing.


1/5th of the World's Population roughly 1/4th of the terrorist attack happening there...imagine that!

Last I checked America also uses the death penalty? In fact even on terrorists...mute point.

These "executions" are "secret" so of course we don't know the "official statistics." Good, for them. I can claim America does the same in Iraq...mute point.

End of the day China pointed out something which a lot of people have been saying for years. Economic situations help breed terrorism.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 08:47 AM
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I'm going to have to agree with Muadibb here. The CCP lecturing the U.S. about how to deal with terrorism and international issues is simply pathetic. What they say may be right, but when it's coming from CCP mouths, it amounts to empty, stupendously hypocritical words that no one wants to hear. What we have here is Ted Bundy telling you to respect human life and be nice to people.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
I'm going to have to agree with Muadibb here. The CCP lecturing the U.S. about how to deal with terrorism and international issues is simply pathetic. What they say may be right, but when it's coming from CCP mouths, it amounts to empty, stupendously hypocritical words that no one wants to hear. What we have here is Ted Bundy telling you to respect human life and be nice to people.


When was the last time China went to war with another Nation?

Wouldn't it be 1979 and with Vietnam?

Also, China has recently been pumping money into those poorer areas where Terrorism is Common and Internal Conflicts are. ATSNN has already reported the Low-Level [Direct] Democracy China has pushed into the Region. They have been reviewing their Prison System and their Policy on Religion, etc.

They actually have a leg to stand on especially with what they point out.

"All this proves that in order to win the war against terrorism, it is not enough just to hunt down the terrorists," Xinhua said.

"To achieve its goal, the US administration needs to get to the root of terrorism to find the solution.

"It is obvious that the war on terror can be won only by relieving poverty, eliminating the political, economic and social conditions under which terrorism and extremism breed and cooperating closely with the rest of the international community under the UN leadership," said Xinhua.

It's about time a Nation came out and said this and the funny thing is, China has been putting the money in. They have a tiny economy compaired to their population yet they are opening up shelters for homeless people and feeding them [actually anyone that turns up.] The list of things go on.

Yes you might see America as the better Nation now, but China is reviwing the policies they used to have [killing all those terrorists] while America seems to be learning lessons from what China used to do.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
1/5th of the World's Population roughly 1/4th of the terrorist attack happening there...imagine that!


Because they execute/torture those that are terrorists and those who are suspected terrorists.... We have seen the responses in this same forums when the US uses lesser forms of torture against known terrorists.....


Originally posted by Odium
Last I checked America also uses the death penalty? In fact even on terrorists...mute point.


The point might be mute for you, but in the states the only people executed are those who have comitted hineous crimes, not for being pro-democratic or for being a suspected terrorist.....


Originally posted by Odium
These "executions" are "secret" so of course we don't know the "official statistics." Good, for them. I can claim America does the same in Iraq...mute point.


Iraq has nothing to do with this first of all, second of all the Chinese government execute suspected terrorists, certain religious people, for harvesting organ donors for richer people and for being pro-democratic....among some other reasons for their executions.

Good for them huh Odium?.... That i remember you are one of those people who keeps bashing and blaming the US for lesser actions, even blaming the government for the actions of soldiers who committed certain henious acts on their own and who were/are prosecuted by the US.


Originally posted by Odium
End of the day China pointed out something which a lot of people have been saying for years. Economic situations help breed terrorism.


End of the day the Chinese government is just blowing smoke and trying to put blame to the US.

The Chinese government cashed in and glorified the attacks on 9/11 on the US. I was not expecting anything else but this latest response from that government.


[edit on 11-9-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
When was the last time China went to war with another Nation?


Perhaps you have forgotten that the Chinese government keeps making steps towards invading Taiwan, a country that has not done terrorist attacks against China and which has been an independent state for a long while, but the Chinese government does not want Taiwan to declare that it is independent and threatens with war if they do.....



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:17 AM
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If China is so “Anti-Democratic” why do they allow Direct Democracy at a local [village] level?
Why do they allow people to travel between Hong Kong and Mainland China? [I was told they just built a train-line between the two?]

The fact of the matter is, America kills terrorists, America torture terrorists. China do the same, but China admits it happens. America tries to take the moral high-ground and denies that it happens.

Also China hasn’t for a long time gone into another Nation, taken it over and shipped people back to their host Nation to be tortured and kept without due process. In fact, China tends to have a quick legal system [soon with a jury] which is why they have executed so many people [America has over 2000 people waiting.]

Also China has a really low re-offender rate…so their prison system seems to be working. [You have to leave prison to count as a possible re-offender. Those killed in prison or executed don’t count.]



Article 247 criminalizes ''Torture to Coerce a Confession''(xingxun bigong) (33). This crime is applicable to ''judicial officers'' who inflict such torture on a ''criminal suspect'' or ''defendant''. Punishment ranges from detention in a criminal detention centre for one to six months, to three years' imprisonment. Where such torture causes injury, disability or death to the victim, it shall be given ''heavier'' punishment according to the provisions of Articles 234 (intentional injury) and 232 (intentional homicide). Under the 1979 CL (article 136) the minimum punishment was 15 days. The revisions add clarity, stipulating which other articles of the law should be used for ''heavier punishment''.


Oh and just so you know, if someone [Government Officer, etc] is caught using torture in China it is actually illegal and has been since 1958. They have tried enough people because of it yet again with 1/5 of the World’s population they will have a high level of abuse.

Actually every criticism there is of China is because of a misunderstanding.

At the present moment they do not have the money to put CCTV, etc, in every interrogation room however they are working towards it to remove the element of torture. The Chinese Government know tourism could boost their profits [economy] even more as could displaying to the West they are much safer and that is why they have been pushing through so many reforms.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Odium
When was the last time China went to war with another Nation?


Perhaps you have forgotten that the Chinese government keeps making steps towards invading Taiwan, a country that has not done terrorist attacks against China and which has been an independent state for a long while, but the Chinese government does not want Taiwan to declare that it is independent and threatens with war if they do.....


Every Nation makes threats.

America does to Iran [about Nuclear Weapons], etc, etc.

Fact is they have not done anything yet.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Odium

Every Nation makes threats.

America does to Iran [about Nuclear Weapons], etc, etc.

Fact is they have not done anything yet.


The fact is that China has made laws making the independence of Taiwan illegal and bound to be attacked by the mainland if they declare themselves independent.


Taiwan has condemned a new Chinese law which would allow Beijing to use military force against the island if it moves towards declaring independence.
Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said the law, which was passed by the National People's Congress on Monday, aims at improving relations with Taiwan.


Excerpted from.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Of course the Chinese government claimed that this law was "to improve relations with Taiwan".......


The fact is that Taiwan it's not seeking to use any wmd against China and has not made any threats against the mainland, unlike Iran against the US.

The fact is that China keeps increasing the missiles pointed towards Taiwan and have threatened to nuke the west coast of the US if the US helps Taiwan whenever China decides to attack Taiwan.



[edit on 11-9-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Odium
When was the last time China went to war with another Nation?


Perhaps you have forgotten that the Chinese government keeps making steps towards invading Taiwan, a country that has not done terrorist attacks against China and which has been an independent state for a long while, but the Chinese government does not want Taiwan to declare that it is independent and threatens with war if they do.....



Although slightly off topic, perhpas before you begin your tirade against China about Taiwan, would you care to read up on the history of it?

Republic of China in Taiwan




The Republic of China (ROC) began on mainland China, succeeding the Qing Dynasty in 1912 and ending 2,000 years of imperial rule. Its existence on mainland China was scarred by warlordism, Japanese invasion, and civil war and ended in 1949 when the Chinese Communists overthrew the Chinese Nationalists (also known as Kuomintang). Although originally intended as a democracy, throughout its tenure on the mainland, it was mainly a dictatorship.

The ROC government then evacuated to Taiwan and set up a provisional capital in Taipei where it continued to regard itself as the sole legitimate government of China. Meanwhile, the Communists proclaimed the People's Republic of China and claimed to be the successor state to the ROC over all of China and that the Nationalist government in Taiwan was illegitimate. From its early days to its move to Taiwan, the Republic of China has been closely associated with the Kuomintang (KMT)—a party formed by the revolutionaries that originally established the Republic, though it is no longer the ruling party.

Although the national boundaries have never been officially redrawn, the ROC no longer pursues its claims over mainland China and Mongolia. Also, the now defunct National Assembly has passed constitutional amendments that give the people of Taiwan, Pescadores, Quemoy, and Matsu the sole right to exercise the sovereignty of the Republic through elections of the President and the entire Legislature as well as through elections to ratify amendments to the ROC constitution. For some, this suggests that the ROC implicitly admits that its sovereignty is limited to the areas that it controls. Reforms enacted by the national government in the 1980s and 1990s have transformed Taiwan from an authoritarian one-party state ruled mainly by mainland Chinese into its current form as a localized, multi-party democracy.





Taiwan had previously been a Japanese colony from 1895-1945, a concession by the Qing dynasty after losing the First Sino-Japanese War. After the defeat of Japan during World War II, Taiwan was surrendered to the Allies and occupied by the Republic of China on behalf of the Allied Powers. It was governed under a corrupt military administration leading to widespread island unrest, culminating in the bloody 228 Incident. Martial law was declared in 1948.

In this tumultuous climate, after the defeat of the KMT in 1949, Chiang Kai-shek evacuated the Republic of China government to Taiwan and declared Taipei the provisional capital of China. Accompanying his retreat were some 2 million people from Mainland China, adding to the already present population of approximately 6 million.

During the Cold War, the Republic of China was seen by the West as "Free China" and a bastion against Communism, while in contrast the People's Republic of China was seen as "Red China" or "Communist China". The Republic of China was recognized as the sole legitimate government of both Mainland China and Taiwan by the UN and many Western nations until the 1970s.

Taiwan remained under martial law, under the name of the "Temporary Provisions Effective During the Period of Communist Rebellion" (動員戡亂時期臨時條款) and one-party rule for four decades from 1948 until 1987, when Presidents Chiang Ching-kuo and Lee Teng-hui, the ROC's first native Taiwanese president, gradually liberalized and democratized the system.




Have a read and educate yourself, instead of repeating the same, tired old "dirty, pinko Commie" rhetoric.

I doubt you will read it...In fact, I fully expect you to ignore it completely, but I have peace of mind knowing I tried to tell you.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
When was the last time China went to war with another Nation?

According to the CCP, they have never gone to war with another nation, because they have claimed that Tibet, Inner Mongolia and Xin Jiang are all part of the glorious motherland, therefore when they invade to slaughter, imprison and rape the people of those nations, they are really just "quelling uprisings". Seems you agree with them. Good for you. I'll let my Taiwanese friends know that you feel they deserve this fate too.


Also, China has recently been pumping money into those poorer areas where Terrorism is Common and Internal Conflicts are. ATSNN has already reported the Low-Level [Direct] Democracy China has pushed into the Region. They have been reviewing their Prison System and their Policy on Religion, etc.

You're just spewing CCP propaganda. I can read this stuff on XinHua, there's no need to repeat it here. Geez, even my Chinese friends know that most of what XinHua says is propaganda . How on earth did you get sucked in?



They actually have a leg to stand on especially with what they point out...

As I said, what they say is correct, but finger-pointing coming from the CCP is ridiculous. No, they don't have a moral leg to stand on....they don't even have a moral wheelchair to roll around in.


It's about time a Nation came out and said this and the funny thing is, China has been putting the money in. They have a tiny economy compaired to their population yet they are opening up shelters for homeless people and feeding them [actually anyone that turns up.] The list of things go on.

Oh my God, are you kidding me? Come to China and first I'll show you the Maglevs and skyscrapers and Olympic stadiums and space rockets that the CCP is spending all their money on, and later I'll take you on a tour of the rural areas and show you the real China. Then maybe we can talk.

China has a HUGE economy as far as volume goes, and that money is being spent in the all the wrong places. The only motivation for the CCP to spend the relatively little money they do on alleviating poverty is to curb the growing (and unreported by XinHua) civil unrest in rural China. Why? Because holding onto power is the only thing that the CCP cares about - it is the motivation behind their EVERY political move. It's obvious that your understanding of modern China is very, very simplified.


Yes you might see America as the better Nation now, but China is reviwing the policies they used to have [killing all those terrorists] while America seems to be learning lessons from what China used to do.

Oh, they're "reviewing their policies", are they?
The CCP has been reviewing their policies since the days of Mao. They do it every couple of years when a Politburo power play happens, and it always ends in more of the same, just with different heads doing the talking. Hu Jin Tao and the Politburo decided to review free speech once, and you know what happened? The next year they imrisoned mearly twice as many journalists. Who would've thought...

But hey, please be sure to let me know when this fantastic reviewing of policies shows any effects other than continued tyranny.

I'm not saying that the American government are angels either, and if you've read any of my posts outside of this thread you'd know that, but the CCP telling others how to deal with terrorism, uprisings, human rights, or anything for that matter, is utterly laughable.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
The fact is that China keeps increasing the missiles pointed towards Taiwan and have threatened to nuke the west coast of the US if the US helps Taiwan whenever China decides to attack Taiwan.

God Knows how many Nations the USA is pointing their Missile at - but that's A-OK, right?

Fact is the USA is trying very hard to maintain the role of the No.1 World Superpower - and China is right behind.

Fact is that the Project for the New American Century which is in full effect under the Bush administration, is designed in a way that the USA maintains the military and economic domination of land, space, and cyberspace. Fundamental positions are:
  • "American leadership is good both for America and for the world"
  • "such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle"
  • "too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership."

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

Does the American have the Right to re-shape the entire World according to their Plans to rule it?

Does the American have the Right to tell all other Nations, that they do not have that Right?

The PNAC is a clear Plan for the USA to create and maintain the World dominance as an Empire and use Pax Americana in places that do not agree with that Plan.

And War on Terror alongside with 9-11 are the basic points for the start of the PNAC.

A line frequently quoted from Rebuilding America's Defenses famously refers to the possibility of a "catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor".



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 09:58 AM
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They didn't say how to deal with uprising nor how to deal with terrorism.

They displayed why terrorism happens.

And I never knew XinHua owned the BBC because everything I spoke of came from the week-long run of shows the BBC put on about the changing face of China. Including showing the Direct Democracy at the local level, the homeless programs, etc, etc.

But now XinHua own the BBC, thank you for letting us know.

Muaddib, America pretty much does the same thing just without writing the laws down. It has made it clear it'll use Military Force in Iran if they have to, China has just done the same with Taiwan.



posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 10:38 AM
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The bottom line is nations breed terrorism..
Nobody else..
All terrorism has its roots in funding from nations with ulterior motives..
Its like a science experiment that goes wrong...
Terrorism is the USA's very own frankenstein..
An apt metaphor IMO..




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