The Invisible Mason

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
So, am i reading this correctly? Your telling me that there are "Rouge" Masonic lodges that do not follow the pricipals of freemasonry?

I think you mean rogue lodges. An important distinction, as mainstream continental (french) freemasonry/A&A rite craft masonry meet in what are colloquially known as Red Lodges (as opposed to Blue Lodges). As rouge is French for red, you are quite unexpectedly and accidently correct without meaning to be. Go ASE.

Originally posted by Nygdan
From my understanding, the UGLE Lodge recognizes other lodges all across the world, and that is what makes up Regular Masonry. Then there are other lodges not recognized as regular by UGLE, and these can do whatever they want.

UGLE, GLoS and GLoI have the distinction of being the first grand lodges (known as the Three Mother Grand Lodges) and all regular freemasonry across the world can trace its lineage back to one of them. But that doesn't make them any better, bigger or cleverer than any other grand lodge.

In all probability, they consider themselves to be Regular and the UGLE masons to be irregular.

Exactly right. Although there is much less consistency of recognition in the 'irregular' masonic world as it is quite fractured with many spurious grand lodges and grand orients 'recognising' each other purely on the basis that no-one else will.

Trinity, thanks for the word, I do have my moments

From what I gather, masonry is a disjointed collection of out dated beliefs, traditions that are desperately in need of a savior!

This lodge, that lodge, blue lodge, red lodge, grand lodge, and no one seems to knows who is running any of it. It is a platoon with no sergeant, its a battalion with no colonel, an army with no general. It seems to break every organizational rule. No chain of command, and everyone is equal. No wonder some of the masons laugh at the idea that freemasonry is out to rule the world. Masonry seems to be a JOKE.

But on the other hand freemasonry, no matter what lodge a person comes from seems to have a disproportionate number of "intelligent" people involved in it. Masonry by its very nature is comparable to a self-mutating virus; some lodges do good deeds while others are less than honorable, and no clear way of knowing the difference beforehand.

I’m not saying the idea of morals being taught in a brotherhood is wrong, quite the opposite. But the chaos and confusion being implied, is, no one to blame for the failures, no one to correct them. It will collapse from its own structure. Pray to God the world doesn’t go with it.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
From what I gather, masonry is a disjointed collection of out dated beliefs, traditions that are desperately in need of a savior!

Nope...if we had a "savior" then we'd have a dogma...and thus be a religion....so no thanks But seriously the tradition is alot of what Masonry is about....now don't get me wrong....the verbage may have changed over the years.....but the ideas still hold true today as they did 200yrs ago....that's part of being a "recognized" lodge.....more on that in a minute...

This lodge, that lodge, blue lodge, red lodge, grand lodge, and no one seems to knows who is running any of it. It is a platoon with no sergeant, its a battalion with no colonel, an army with no general. It seems to break every organizational rule. No chain of command, and everyone is equal. No wonder some of the masons laugh at the idea that freemasonry is out to rule the world. Masonry seems to be a JOKE.

I admit it is very confusing from the outside....let me see if I might be able to shed some light on the subject .....

In a nutshell it's kinda like this....

Each Grand Lodge of a jurisdiction is the stand-alone "governing body" of that jurisdiction. Every regular lodge in that jurisdiction gets its charter from the Grand Lodge of that jurisdiction. No charter....not regular...

If a "regular" lodge starts falling out of line with the Grand Lodge....then they can lose their charter...and become "irregular" (that's a badthing[tm]).

Each Grand Lodge recognizes each other thus making them "regular" This means again that they are following the tenets of Masonry....If a Grand Lodge for example decides to allow the admission of women....they will lose their recognition from other Grand Lodges and thus all Lodges under that Grand Lodge's jurisdiction become "irregular".

Now for all practical purposes this happens world world wide.

Clear as mud?

But on the other hand freemasonry, no matter what lodge a person comes from seems to have a disproportionate number of "intelligent" people involved in it.

Yes and no.....you must remember not all people join Masonry for the same reasons....for example....in one lodge for every person that joins for the esoteric side...there is another that joins just for the fraternal aspects...another joins for the charitable aspects...while yet another might've (wrongly) joined in the hopes of personal gain...

Now don't get me wrong....there are alot of reasons that can overlap...but truth be known alot of people don't look much deeper than what they words say....That's why we say "you get out of Masonry what you put into it".....

Masonry by its very nature is comparable to a self-mutating virus; some lodges do good deeds while others are less than honorable, and no clear way of knowing the difference beforehand.

I would not go that far...

I’m not saying the idea of morals being taught in a brotherhood is wrong, quite the opposite. But the chaos and confusion being implied, is, no one to blame for the failures, no one to correct them. It will collapse from its own structure. Pray to God the world doesn’t go with it.

We do have someone to blame for the failures...ourselves and we're the ones that have to correct them when they happen.

Masonry has existed this way for many years...if it does collapse it won't be because of the structure...it'll be because of the people within the structure....

I hope I've not muddied the water for you any more than it might've already been....

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye

Originally posted by Lexicon

Originally posted by WWStory
I invite any initiate to either confirm or engage me on the discussion on the Invisible Mason.

I invite you to furnish any sort of evidence for the 'Invisible Mason'.

If you want proof, please consider another thread. Discussion is all he calles for.

I dont know about this "Secret Invisable Mason" group, but I do often wonder how and who assigns lodge numbers globaly. Must be a group somwhere that assigns those numbers, otherwise would be a great deal of chaos trying to collect dues

The Grand Lodge assigns numbers in their jurisdiction. Each new lodge gets the next number. Therefore you would see Lodge #1, then 2, etc.

ASE

Masonry isn't an army, the analogy doesn't hold. We're not trying to take over the world, just impress a little goodness into people, one heart at a time.

By getting focussed on the organisational structure you are missing the key message. You're not alone in this though - some freemasons do exactly the same.

The Truth is out there...

Actually Freemasonry is very much organised like an army - it's just that most people don't know how an army works and the order of command.
Sovereign Grand Commanders do not directly command all Blue Lodges just as a General doesn't directly command every platoon in his army.
He may have a personal guard which contains rank and file personel as well as assigned administrative officiers and other intimediate ranks that associate closely with him but they are NOT in the official line of command.
I assure you that a private secretary can pull significant clout outside of his assigned rank to make sure the General gets what he needs, as long as he's dealing with other army personel (but if you need something from the Navy then forget it, just fill in the paperwork and wait...)

Secret Masons?
Damm this one really stumps me, I know several hundred Freemasons and all of them are "Secret Masons" as the thread author seems to describe them - I'm yet to meet Freemason who openly declares their membership.
They all seem to like this pub form some reason, maybe its the rather large unmarked building back and to the left of it with just one large pair of doors facing to the West...
www.the-green-man.net...

Just be carefull of stray bullets from the firing range next door.



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[edit on 18-9-2005 by MrNECROS]

I think the key word in the subject of "Secret Masons" is "Ownage". No, freemasonry dosnt want to rule the world, its obvious by thier organizational stucture they are incapable of it.

But, on the other hand there are those who do want to "Own" the world. And it is now clear that they dont use "Armies", they use "Ownage". Ownage being the present global monitary system.

I would think there are certain influencial freemasons who are in essence "Owned" by some of the global elite in the form of finacial aid, political loans, or kickbacks. These masons have forsaken thier morals and have given in to the NWO mentality. But in the greater picture freemasonry shouldnt be singled out for this as most all the global institutions have succumb to this secret agenda. So I would conclude that the "Secret Mason" is in reality not a officially recignized body, but more of a leach or virus that has attached itself to the organization, just like it has to the Federal Reserve, Pentigon, Education system, Health care, Government ( No matter what country), etc. It is a virus that cant openenly operate and must attach itself to secretive organizations.

As most criminal operations do, this virus changes its name often and repeatedly so as to supply itself with an endless supply of "Patsies" or fall guys in its quest for world domination. When one operation is found out the host whether it s a individual, company , oragnaization, government, takes the heat while the hidden "Owner" slips away in anonymity .

Freemasonry is now being used as one of those fall guys. All of its faults are being brought faward to show how evil the organization is and to discredit any good it may accomplish. The same thing was done to JFK. Look at how evil this or that was and forget the good that was accomplished.

This virus has had many names in the past and present. A short list: Satanism, Illuminati, Builderburgers, Freemasons, Scull&Bones, Council On Foreign Relations, The Thule Society, Bohemian Grove, The United Nations, The United States Government, The Central Intelligence Agency, The Catholic Church, The Mormons, Jehova Witness, Jim Jones, The Heavens Gate, David Koresh, Richard Nixon, etc, ect, ect.

The motis operendi of the virus is always the same, "Ownage" by any means necessary threw bribery, blackmail, extortion, murder, deception and disinformation. Use the institutions that are available, or create new ones to do the job. Deceive the intellectually gifted to do your covert bidding by wrapping the truth with sugar coated disinformation so the secret agenda will be accepted ( Sugar Pill mentality). Use any and all tools at your disposal or create new ones or modify old ones (TV programming (of the population)), mind control. Covertly enlist gifted people from universities and brotherhoods under the guise of compassion, morality, justice. Demoralize humanity with porn, reality tv, that isnt real. Support activites that will cause dessention among the population, chaos ( Homosexual marrage, abortion rights issues, divide and conqure, illigal wars). Destroy all institutions so that new ones can be built with the NWO( New World Ownage) agenda incorparated within it. Change legislation to allow monoplies that will be owned by the virus.

Invisible mason? Sure, right along with all the rest of the Invisible Virus!



[edit on 18-9-2005 by All Seeing Eye]

All of your writings about "ownage" imply that masons are singularly wealthy and powerful. Which is certainly not the case. A huge majority of them in the US are retirees on living on fixed income!

Was Harry Truman evil, because he was a freemason? For that matter, was he good, because he was a freemason. I say he was good or evil because of his own decisions as a man, and not because of which organization he belonged to.

There are masons I know who can give the accepted signals of being a mason, but they are no more masons than anybody else would be. It is the way your comport yourself that shows whether or not you are a "real" mason.

I have also known men who were members of "unrecognized" masonic bodies. (PH). You called them rogue---the masonic term is "clandestine." The first thing I noticed in their description of their lodge is that they charge dues in the thousands of dollars (my lodge, a member of the Grand Lodge of Texas) charges dues of about $95 a year, to pay taxes on the building, and administrative expenses for the GL. Their Master is also paid handsomely. In a "regular" lodge, the Worshipful master is forbidden to profit even one dollar during his one year term. Masters generally (I'm not sure if this is just my lodge, my GL, or regular masons everywhere) cannot serve more than 2 years in a row as lodge master without permission from the GL.

The prince hall masons expressed some interest in joining our lodge, since they knew that we already had african american members. But they weren't ready to sever their ties with the lodge all their friends attended. Though they said that money had definitely tarnished the function of their officers. Not that they were "evil," merely venal.


In all honesty, my lodge is certainly no worse, and occasionally better, than my church, as far as service goes. There is more discipline, and my lodge gathered HUGE amounts of blood in it's blood-drive for Katrina. My church hasn't done squat (yet). In both organizations, there are people who are there for the "county club" setting, others who are there because dad was one.

And a few people looking to amend their lives and help other people stand up for morality and good conduct.

And a very few interested in what the volume of sacred law actually says . . .

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

All of your writings about "ownage" imply that masons are singularly wealthy and powerful. Which is certainly not the case. A huge majority of them in the US are retirees on living on fixed income!

Im not implying "All" masons in the least. Only the powerfull, influential, who have forsaken morality. I too know masons come from all walks of life. If you havent sold your soul, its not about you

Originally posted by MrNECROS


Secret Masons?
Damm this one really stumps me, I know several hundred Freemasons and all of them are "Secret Masons" as the thread author seems to describe them - I'm yet to meet Freemason who openly declares their membership.

I think the above says a lot. After all, I'm not aware of a Mason in the world who doesn't "declare his membership". In fact, practically all Masons wear Masonic rings, Masonic ties, Masonic golf shirts, Masonic baseball caps, have Masonic car decals, etc.

Yet...Necros is "yet to meet Freemason who openly declares their membership." Nevertheless, he 'knows' "several hundred Freemasons". This guy's story is fishier than a trainload of seabass.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Masonic rings, Masonic ties, Masonic golf shirts, Masonic baseball caps, have Masonic car decals, etc.

I recently saw one guy who had a giant square and compass emblazoned on the door of this truck. His pickup truck for that matter. I'd expect that the world owning elite would own something nicer than an low level pickup truck!

And neverminding that the lodges usually have big signs on them declaring them as such, not to mention a decal on the 'entrance' to town signs (along with the rotary, kofc, etc etc)

Funny that every non-mason I know can't even name one person that openly declares there Freemason fraternity - but then again these discusions are not just yelling matches, they are recorded print.
I wonder what occurs to a Freemason when they look at a statement like the previous... I think the thought process goes something like this:
"This Profane is mad - how can he posibly see us?
We are completley invisible to him - he can't prove it because we won't admit it and we have lots of people who can back our story up.
Therefore what we are saying is true and what he is saying is false.
Therefore HE is a LIAR!"
Reality means nothing to these people - if things don't work out the way they planned then they forget about it almost instantly and just carry on as if nothing was happening at all, they can fail 10-20-30 times over and just keep coming back for more because they only remember when they "win" often forgetting how low they had to stoop in order to record their perceived "victory."
How stealing a motorcycle gear chain or vandalising your privy can generate so much"feel-good" within a lodge is ...well...insane.
It's quite bizaare to see it first hand but after 5 years you can normally stay on your feet even with a half dozen or so lodges trying to go you at once.
Any more than that and it all gets a bit obvious so they have to break off and wait for new recruits to move into the area to go you again.

...hmmmm...may have to lay a bit lower this next tourist season.


I agree totally with the "Ownership" principle, Freemasonry above the 3rd degree is all about masters and servants from what I have seen of it.

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Funny that every non-mason I know can't even name one person that openly declares there Freemason fraternity

I'm not a Mason. I know several. None of them are shy about their affiliation. They're friends of mine. I've been to some really great parties at the Shrine Club. No big deal and no different than some country club parties I've been to.

But then, you and I don't know each other.

Originally posted by MrNECROS

How stealing a motorcycle gear chain or vandalising your privy can generate so much"feel-good" within a lodge is ...well...insane.
It's quite bizaare to see it first hand but after 5 years you can normally stay on your feet even with a half dozen or so lodges trying to go you at once.

I agree totally with the "Ownership" principle, Freemasonry above the 3rd degree is all about masters and servants from what I have seen of it.

I've been a Master Mason (and many other APPENDANT degrees) since 2000. And I've never stolen a motorcycle chain or vandalized anyone's privy! And my "masters" (!) have never called me on the floor for it!!!!

Originally posted by MrNECROS
How stealing a motorcycle gear chain or vandalising your privy can generate so much"feel-good" within a lodge is ...well...insane.

Yup, that oughta show ya.

Where the heck do you come up with this stuff????

Originally posted by Nygdan
I recently saw one guy who had a giant square and compass emblazoned on the door of this truck. His pickup truck for that matter. I'd expect that the world owning elite would own something nicer than an low level pickup truck!

I mean what better to carry the bodies... Errr... Wine in?

Hmmmph! I'll have you know that my F-250 Crew Cab 4x4 has been terrorizing Beverly Hills traffic for almost a year now, all whilst proudly displaying a Masonic badge on the rear window. There's nothing like looking down on one of those convetrible "speed bumps" from the comfort of a leather captain's chair... Especially in L.A.

For those that doubt the open and proud nature of your average Freemason's membership, I present the "MirthMobile" and it's mark of "distinction."



I can't believe it rained in SoCal today.

Pickup Truck Monkeys, not just for being parked in front of "Hef's Place" anymore...

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Funny that every non-mason I know can't even name one person that openly declares there Freemason fraternity [/qutoe]
I'm not a mason and I know someone who did. And I'd think that the guy with the door sized compass and square is openly proclaiming himself as a mason, along with everyone that has such signals on their car and person.

- but then again these discusions are not just yelling matches, they are recorded print.

I wonder what occurs to a Freemason when they look at a statement like the previous... I think the thought process goes something like this:
"This Profane is mad - how can he posibly see us?

Please come back to stand on this side of the pool.

How stealing a motorcycle gear chain or vandalising your privy can generate so much"feel-good" within a lodge is ...well...insane.

Dear god, get over it if it even did happen!

KA-BOOM!!!

One privy down... several million to go...

BWAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by MrNECROS

How stealing a motorcycle gear chain or vandalising your privy can generate so much"feel-good" within a lodge is ...well...insane.

Are you sure it wasn't these two? They look suspicious...


And I think you are getting your timeline all mixed up... a year and a half ago it was 2 years you've been being *ahem* "harrassed"... then 9 months ago it was 3 years... now it's 5 years...

What I find amazing is that you still claim it to be true... seriously though...



[edit on 9/20/05 by The Axeman]

Axeman, not that I'd normally care too much for your "time-line" construction theory (which is incorrect) but I "generally" regard the whole "Freemason" thing as begining with my first formally attempted initiation (read this as being tricked into attending an "assessment day for a large international oraginsation..." then being drugeed senseless etc...) on November 10th 2001, although there is no real finite start-date otherwise, I was being felt out for at least a year.
Generally I'd regard my "Kick Out" being on 25th July 2002 when I was finally written off as a lost cause (as subsequently drugged etc...again.)
There was a significant but largely isolated incident back in the summer of 1999 but it wasn't part of the greater scheme of things as far as I can tell.