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Topic started on 10-9-2005 @ 10:44 PM by Phoenix
This image from Wednesday morning August 31st shows much more tranportation was available than previously thought. People searching for conspiracy relating to Katrina may have been led to scrutinize the federal response by the heavy media and political campaign that has been orcestrated, (by whom I don't know - but thats what were here for.

Something really weird was going on thats for sure.

The image below coupled with the Louisiana state FEMA organization not allowing the Red Cross into New Orleans starting on Monday right after Katrina struck, and continuing most of that week, preventing food, water and hygenic supplies from getting to the Superdome.

The Salvation Army was also prevented from offering aid.

Survivors kept from evacuating New Orleans



Digital Globe Image for comparison with image above.

Also on Wednesday as reported by the New York Times Gov. Blanco was searching for buses,


Ms. Blanco burst into the state's emergency center in Baton Rouge. "Does anybody in this building know anything about buses?" she recalled crying out.

They were an obvious linchpin for evacuating a city where nearly 100,000 people had no cars. Yet the federal, state and local officials who had failed to round up buses in advance were now in a frantic hunt. It would be two more days before they found enough to empty the shelters


Well its plain to see for all now just where those buses are. Many of them on dry land no less with open highways to use.

The more I see and hear about the faulty evacuation of New Orleans and its disasterous aftermath, the more I believe all roads lead back to Louisiana.

Maybe its a case of follow the money.

Maybe a focus needs to be on who the power brokers are behind Nagin or Blanco and what benefit they would derive from the billions that are to pour in.

Maybe a game of political one upmanship went horribly awry for Gov. Blanco, afterall Monday morning the media was saying New Orleans dodged the big one. Could the finger pointing by her be to cover an earler mistake? Such as a refusal to help New Orleans because Nagin endorsed her opponent in the Governors race?

What may Blaco be hiding by her refusal to put Louisiana guard under federal command - they do have to follow her orders - were they told to shut-up?

Was the federal government taken for a ride by Blanco and Nagin between Friday and Thursday? - is federal revenge the removal of their voting base to states as far away as Alaska?

It seems that the elite in Louisiana stand to benifit a great deal from others misery.

I would like to open the floor to conspiracy theory having to do with the unusual activities in-state and its resulting effect on the response to Katrina to give those ATS members not buying into the blame FEMA thing a chance to air their thoughts and opinions.

Phoenix



Edit to add this related ATSNN story because it may add some points to whom benifits,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 10-9-2005 by Phoenix]


reply posted on 10-9-2005 @ 11:00 PM by Phoenix
Originally posted by AlabamaCajun
Heres your answer from the mayor

www.nola.com.../mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09_10.html#078696


Thats a very nice letter from the Mayor

So he had no authority over the transit buses nor the school buses.

hmmmmmm

May I remind folks that his own press conference calling for mandatory evacuations detailed that any item could be confiscated for emergency use.

Then there is the fact that the hurricane evacuation plan called for these buses to be used with a police escort.

Then when the buses are plainly present on Wednesday at a time when the Mayor was calling for help they inexpicably remained parked - it stetches credibility to claim that out of a crowd numbering in the tens of thousands no one knew how to drive a bus - at least thats according to Nagin in his letter.

That was the biggest load of CYA I've read in - well - forever.



reply posted on 14-9-2005 @ 11:54 PM by AlabamaCajun
What I am trying to figure out is; if someone were to drive the buses lets look at the routes.
There are:
EAST
I-10 leading east and west. West goes right through the East Orleans which is flooded from the breach at the Industrial canal along with the bridge to Judge Perez drive which is also flooded. Beyond that I-10 over Lake Borne was washed off of it's peirs and slidell to the north was trashed and flooded.
CCC (Cresent City Connection) guarded by neighboring parish and sherif.
River ferries, no power to operate the ramps not sure if anyone was available to pilot the river with a ferry.
WEST
I-10 West - 20+ water under train bridge I-10 passes under. Ironic that new pumps were recently installed to drain this annoying problem, no power.
Airline Hwy, Metarie Roadand Jefferson Hwy were possible exits but there you would also meet the say sherifs deputies.

This leaves a situation where mostly airlifts and boats were the only hopes. Once the guard was there then busses could be escorted out.
The main problem was getting food and water to the people some thing that needed outside help.

Next time a city is faced with this dilema try the following.
Portable Potties loaded on trucks and parked in a secure place from wind/flood damage.
Cargo containers of food and water secured on high ground near designated meeting places.

In several places people maintained order as best they could but they were not armed. None of this would have stopped the 1% of uncivilized that decided to commit crimes. But had there been supplies with plans to replenish them then a lot of incedents may not have happened.


reply posted on 18-9-2005 @ 11:19 AM by Mirlin11
Hmmm.... You've made some interesting points. All those buses could have been used. Until I read this thread, several things hadn't occurred to me. While it did take the Feds too long to respond, there could have been other reasons for it than the ones I considered. It certainly appears that someone could've driven those buses out of there. I thought they didn't because they were submerged in the flood. I stand corrected on that. This is all I could find about the meeting in Dallas:


Dallas Meeting Plans
N.O. Rebuilding -
Without Poor Blacks
By Wayne Madsen
9-11-5


Dallas meeting plans reconstruction of New Orleans without poor African Americans. According to well-informed New Orleans sources, New Orleans' wealthiest families, including those who are direct descendants of the French who settled New Orleans (not the Acadians [Cajuns] who were poor refugees from British tyranny in Nova Scotia) are meeting in Dallas today with Bush administration officials, New Orleans city officials, wealthy Texas oilmen, and bankers to plan for the reconstruction of New Orleans. These wealthy New Orleans residents live in the gated community of Audobon Place, a section of the city near the Garden District replete with personal helipads that still has running water and sewage and was only slightly affected by hurricane Katrina. It is now reportedly being patrolled by private Israeli security forces. Yesterday's Wall Street Journal ran a piece with more details on this story.

The Dallas meeting focused on rebuilding and re-zoning New Orleans without the "criminal element," a code word for the city's poor African American community.

These New Orleans residents have been scattered across the United States and are now under the control of FEMA. There is an understanding by the wealthy New Orleans elite that the poor will never be able to return. The Journal reported that the person who chaired the Dallas meeting was Jimmy Riess, one of the wealthy New Orleans elite who also served as Mayor Ray Nagin's Chairman of the Regional Transit Authority, which is in charge of the city's buses, trolleys, and trains. New Orleans sources report that public transportation was purposely not used to evacuate the poor New Orleans residents as a means to depopulate the poorer and more flood-prone sections of the city.


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reply posted on 19-9-2005 @ 04:27 PM by Jehosephat
As of 2003, the most recent year for which data appears to be available, the Orleans Parish school district, which operates New Orleans' public schools, owned only 324 school buses. In addition, a Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development profile of the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority (RTA), last updated May 5, notes that RTA owned 364 public buses, bringing the total of the city's public transit and school buses to fewer than 700 (assuming the fleet of school buses has not been dramatically increased since 2003)

The New York Times reported on September 4 that Louisiana emergency planners believed it would take as many as 2,000 buses "to evacuate an estimated 100,000 elderly and disabled people" in the event of a catastrophic hurricane like Katrina. This was "far more than New Orleans possessed."

But since there was not enough busses to evacuate the 100,000 plus residents that needed it, The mayor instead used what buses he had and arranged pick-up points thruout he city to shuttle people to area shelters (such as the superdome, and the convention center) before the storm hit.

Now those same evacuees are being sent to other areas in the country for temporay housing. while the city is rebuilt and drained.

Pointing to a group of buses and saying they could have been used to evacuate people is a good idea if they had a place to go, which is why federal aid was needed in the first place. Yet was not given until 5 days after the hurricaine hit
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