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reply posted on 14-9-2003 @ 11:51 PM by MaskedAvatar
This thread has taken on some elements of survival of the fittest and Darwinism (as promulgated by William, late August 2003)...

Worse extensions of the Patriot Act and incursions into everyday law will happen than even these...

story.news.yahoo.com.../ap/20030914/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anti_terror_laws_2



Some morsels:


* Police and prosecutors have increasingly turned the force of the new laws not on al-Qaida cells but on people charged with common crimes.

* Federal prosecutors used the act in June to file a charge of "terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction" against a California man after a pipe bomb exploded in his lap, wounding him as he sat in his car.

* "Within six months of passing the Patriot Act, the Justice Department was conducting seminars on how to stretch the new wiretapping provisions to extend them beyond terror cases," said Dan Dodson, a spokesman for the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys. "They say they want the Patriot Act to fight terrorism, then, within six months, they are teaching their people how to use it on ordinary citizens."

* Federal prosecutors have brought more than 250 criminal charges under the law, with more than 130 convictions or guilty pleas.

* The law, passed two months after the Sept. 11 attacks, erased many restrictions that had barred the government from spying on its citizens, granting agents new powers to use wiretaps, conduct electronic and computer eavesdropping and access private financial data.

* Stefan Cassella, deputy chief for legal policy for the Justice Department's asset forfeiture and money laundering section, said that while the Patriot Act's primary focus was on terrorism, lawmakers were aware it contained provisions that had been on prosecutors' wish lists for years and would be used in a wide variety of cases.

* The complaint that anti-terrorism legislation is being used to go after people who aren't terrorists is just the latest in a string of criticisms. More than 150 local governments have passed resolutions opposing the law as an overly broad threat to constitutional rights.

* "We've already heard stories of local police chiefs creating files on people who have protested the Iraq war ... The government is constantly trying to expand its jurisdictions, and it needs to be watched very, very closely."



reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 08:52 PM by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by uNBaLaNCeD
Have you noticed that lawyers like to call themselves "esquires",this term means shield bearer for/of the king,did you know that there used to be a 13th amendment that forbade holding public office by anyone who has ever held a title of royalty in the constitution

Actually, if you look a bit more closely in the main body of the Constitution, you'll see that it forbids anyone currently in Office to accept such titles (without first gaining the approval of Congress); Something that kind of troubles me is that I've learned that Bush *has* the royal title of Knight, granted by the Crown of England...What disturbs me is that I can't find out if Bush had Congress' permission to accept that title or not.
Kind of leads one to think that Bush is merely a Tool of the NWO & that his orders originate in England...It's precisely this reason why the Constitution forbids such duplicity.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
The most criminal thing about the war on terrorism is that the Bush administration are the worst terrorists of the lot, applying terrorist fear tactics to their own people....I still think A$$croft et al need to be tried under the provisions of this stupid Act like several other genuine terrorists, before it gets repealed.

I'd really *loooooooove* to see this type of poetic justice actually take place...
..."Hoist by their own petard", to coin a phrase...


[Edited on 21-9-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]


reply posted on 28-9-2003 @ 10:21 PM by MaskedAvatar
Before the Bush admin crooks are ever subjected to the provisions of the Patriot Act, I suspect it will be applied to many more categories of non-terrorist criminals and non-criminals.

Some weeks ago there was discussion about whether any particular rights were going to be eroded by the legislation and the investigative powers given to authorities. The evidence is mounting that the law is being used to pursue may avenues not related to terrorism, so that even if you are not related to or know any terrorists at all, your are subject to being caught in the web if they want to look at you for any reason.


www.tribnet.com...

Patriot Act not just for terror
ERIC LICHTBLAU; The New York Times

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration, which calls the USA Patriot Act perhaps its most essential tool in fighting terrorists, has begun using the law with increasing frequency in many criminal investigations that have little or no connection to terrorism.

The government is using its expanded authority under the far-reaching law to investigate suspected drug traffickers, white-collar criminals, blackmailers, child pornographers, money launderers, spies and even corrupt foreign leaders, federal officials said.

Justice Department officials say they are simply using all the tools now available to them to pursue criminals - terrorists or otherwise. But critics of the administration's antiterrorism tactics assert that such use of the law is evidence the administration has sold the American public a false bill of goods, using terrorism as a guise to pursue a broader law enforcement agenda.....

(THE POLICE STATE, THAT IS...)


.... A new Justice Department report, given to members of Congress this month, also cites more than a dozen cases that are not directly related to terrorism. In them, federal authorities have used their expanded power to investigate individuals, initiate wiretaps and other surveillance, or seize millions in tainted assets.

For instance, the ability to secure nationwide warrants to obtain e-mail and electronic evidence "has proved invaluable in several sensitive nonterrorism investigations," including the tracking of an unidentified fugitive and an investigation into a computer hacker who stole a company's trade secrets, the report said....

.... The authorities have also used toughened penalties under the law to press charges against a lovesick 20-year-old woman from Orange County, Calif., who planted threatening notes aboard a Hawaii-bound cruise ship she was traveling on with her family in May.

The woman, who said she made the threats to try to return home to her boyfriend, was sentenced this week to two years in federal prison because of a provision in the Patriot Act on the threat of terrorism against mass transportation systems......

....Customs officials say they have used their expanded authority to open at least nine investigations into Latin American officials suspected of laundering money in the United States and to seize millions of dollars from overseas bank accounts in many cases unrelated to terrorism....

....A guide to a Justice Department employee seminar last year on financial crimes, for instance, said: "We all know that the USA Patriot Act provided weapons for the war on terrorism. But do you know how it affects the war on crime as well?"....

Elliot Mincberg, legal director for People for the American Way, a liberal group that has been critical of Ashcroft, said the Justice Department's public assertions struck him as misleading and perhaps dishonest.

"What the Justice Department has really done," he said, "is to get things put into the law that have been on prosecutors' wish lists for years. They've used terrorism as a guise to expand law enforcement powers in areas that are totally unrelated to terrorism."

...The terrorism law has already drawn sharp opposition from those who believe it gives the government too much power to intrude on people's privacy in pursuit of terrorists.

Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said, "Once the American public understands that many of the powers granted to the federal government apply to much more than just terrorism, I think the opposition will gain momentum."....
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