Patriots against the Patriot Act

Adding fuel to the fire that the Patriot Act is for peace and order loving patriots, A$$croft has seen to the development of a website defending this piece of crap.

It's definitely worth a look, especially to see the Conspiracy Penalties that are proposed for anyone that fits the profile - that could be you, couldn't it? You're reading a Conspiracy Topic!

The site is all red white and blue niceness, but the critique I have linked below is essential reading on "Patriotism" today as well...



www.reason.com...

Penned, Trapped - The absurd claim that PATRIOT increases your privacy

(Nick Gillespie)

If there's one honor I cherish more than being an actual dyed-in-the-khaki-wool Eagle Scout, it's being named an enemy of the state on Attorney General John Ashcroft's new propaganda site, Preserving Life & Liberty.

(Link): lifeandliberty.gov...

(One way you know immediately it's propaganda is that it uses a quote from the Declaration of Independence, in a ye-olde-tyme font, as a banner on every single page on the site.) It turns out that I'm one of those rat bastards who, as Ashcroft once famously put it, "scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty." Hi, mom!

The site is part of the attorney general's pathetic attempt to whip up support for the idiotically named and widely reviled USA PATRIOT Act�an acronym for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism." Other Ashcroft activities have included his highly publicized (and satirized) national tour to promote the PATRIOT Act and a would-be sequel. Your tax dollars at work. At least time spent on this public relations mystery tour is time Ashcroft can't spend prosecuting medical marijuana users and pornographers.


Has anyone seen the A$$croft Magical Mystery Tour yet?

I�ll play devils advocate: As much as I'd prefer to just see the patriot act go away, myself (along with terrorists), I'd still like to see someone give me something, perhaps just some bullet points of intelligent reasons the patriot act has sparked a civil rights crisis in America under the �Ashcroft reign of terror�.

Bob

Later!

In the interim, here's the buzzwords from A$$croft's site for how the Patriot Act will deal with terrorists and suspected terrorists - it's all GOOD!


"The Patriot Act increased the penalties for those who commit terrorist crimes. Americans are threatened as much by the terrorist who pays for a bomb as by the one who pushes the button. That�s why the Patriot Act imposed tough new penalties on those who commit and support terrorist operations, both at home and abroad. In particular, the Act:

Prohibits the harboring of terrorists. The Act created a new offense that prohibits knowingly harboring persons who have committed or are about to commit a variety of terrorist offenses, such as: destruction of aircraft; use of nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons; use of weapons of mass destruction; bombing of government property; sabotage of nuclear facilities; and aircraft piracy.

Enhanced the inadequate maximum penalties for various crimes likely to be committed by terrorists: including arson, destruction of energy facilities, material support to terrorists and terrorist organizations, and destruction of national-defense materials.

Enhanced a number of conspiracy penalties, including for arson, killings in federal facilities, attacking communications systems, material support to terrorists, sabotage of nuclear facilities, and interference with flight crew members. Under previous law, many terrorism statutes did not specifically prohibit engaging in conspiracies to commit the underlying offenses. In such cases, the government could only bring prosecutions under the general federal conspiracy provision, which carries a maximum penalty of only five years in prison.

Punishes terrorist attacks on mass transit systems.

Punishes bioterrorists.

Eliminates the statutes of limitations for certain terrorism crimes and lengthens them for other terrorist crimes."


Now, it will not be plausible for the incumbent administration to say "We didn't think the terrorists would do THAT even though our intelligence agencies have been reporting to us on illegal immigrants in flight schools for five years"...

Slowly but surely, many are coming around to seeing the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. I and II for what they really are....freedom "strippers."

America was the land of the "free."
If this is not stopped and overturned, it will become the land of the "fearful."

regards
seekerof

Whoever supports this "Patriot Act" really has their head up their A$$.

[Edited on 7-9-2003 by Creepy]

"Meth lab" = crystal methamphetamine, or "P"?

That is quite a bizarre association, EXCEPT that the drug is know to be very destructive to users.

Wrong lesgislation, or MA using the wrong idiom and yet to be educated on what a "meth lab" is...

[Edited on 7-9-2003 by Creepy]

creepy

Agreed. It is all consciously (and irrelevantly) linked to September 11.

Nothing like rebranding a useless "War On Drugs" to a trendy "War On Terror"...

I wonder when it will become conspiracy to aid terrorists for posting on websites that the US govornment was behind 9/11.

I think they are waiting for Asscrofts death camps to open up before they start arresting us.

Originally posted by Creepy
i heard a news story today about 3 people being charged with manufacturing "weapons of mass destruction" for operating a meth lab....in the mountains of north carolina i think...its the first time the patriot act was used in a non terrorist crime...said the meth was WMD because it created toxic waste and was a hazard to the environment...and said that this was the first of many arrest using the law

ill look it it up and post it if i find it

Beat this one: "Thought crime punishable by life-term sentence."
www.proliberty.com...

regards
seekerof

Seekerof

Whoaaaaaaaaaaa!

Tip of the iceberg! Clear out your barns, your kitchens and your hard drives!

Although this one still does have biological terror "potential"... and it does involve a physical handling of a substance ... not long before the "thoughts" themselves become the crimes!


From the August 2003 Idaho Observer:

Patriot Act provisions could mean life for thought criminals

SPOKANE, Wash. -- On July 17, 2003, a jury convicted Kenneth Olsen, 49, of making and possessing ricin, a deadly poison derived from castor beans. Under provisions of the Patriot Act, the government considers ricine a biological weapon.

Each count carries a maximum penalty of life in prison and a $250,000 fine.

People who drive malfunctioning cars can be classified as terrorists. leaky anti freeze and oil poison groundwater and land. So can people who drive unsmogged cars.

Theres all sorts of toxic # that gets dumped into our environment daily, thats poisonous, from every day household activities. Wonder whenthis will become terrorist in nature?

Put that pack of kiddy-fags away, you disgusting polluter! I don't want your passive sidestream poison!

(At least the tobacco industry is so far into the pockets of both sides of the imaginary political fence that they need not worry!)

[Edited on 7-9-2003 by Creepy]

Put that pack of kiddy-fags away, you disgusting polluter! I don't want your passive sidestream poison!

And thus, prevent my mission of corrupting the youth of America and attempting to incite social chaos and anarchy?

I am a terrorist, according to the porvisions of the patriot act. I am poisoning people and air with my habits and beliefs. Thus, i should start doing what any good terrorist would do:

Sell smokes backstage at the Seseame Street studios

Just found this on a news site I read from alot:
"Victory Act II: Police-State Bugaloo"
www.libertythink.com...

regards
seekerof

Seekerof

That is a really good tight summary page.

Even Bob88 is gonna love some of these!

(NB Victory Act is just Patriot Act II, renamed to take away some of the stigma, by the criminals in the Bush admin who should be the first to run the gauntlet of all these provisions. Corrupt, no-good, lying assholes...)

SEC. 205 - was 204. Administrative subpoenas (like a search warrant, but no judge involved) in money-laundering investigations.

SEC. 206 - was 205. Blank checks carried across borders considered to be worth full value of account.

SEC. 207 - was 206. Any account through which "tainted" money passes permanently subject to forfeiture.

SEC. 208 - was 207. Defines "reverse money-laundering" - i.e., carrying too much cash.

SEC. 209 - same. "Commingled funds" provision. Creates trap for honest people who take "dirty" money in otherwise legal transaction. No intent required.

SEC. 210 - same. "Course of conduct" provision for linking differnt money-laundering charges in same indictment.

SEC. 211 - same. Any foreign offense can be money-laundering predicate.

SEC. 212 - same. "Illegal money transmitting business." Extremely broad definiton, would encompass more than hawala.

SEC. 213 - was 214. Expands money-laundering predicates to such things as violations of Clean Air Act and other environmental laws (!!).

SUBTITLE B SEC. 221 - same. Expands forfeiture into "conspiracy" cases.



[Edited on 6-9-2003 by MaskedAvatar]

Do you figure a talmudic court could be behind this type of legislation?,I was reading something to the effect that Bush Sr. layed out the foundations for such a thing during his term,it was buried in some educational act or bill or bull.......it all is.
There are seven commandments in the Talmud (I Think),violations of these commandments are punishable by beheading,rumors about guillotines on US army bases makes me wonder..hmmmm,THWACK,THUNK (draining liquid noises)

unbalanced

That is a disturbing take on an otherwise very innocent, nondescript piece of friendly legislation (not!)

BTW, your mood currently says "Running out of"

What is it you're Running out of exactly? Is it just the field is too short, or you're running out of patience, or time, like people who are actually watching Patriot and Victory unfold?

There are no innocent bystanders in this!