posted on Sep, 11 2005 @ 11:38 AM
The gnostic POV, in this case, isn't really 'gnosis' in the true sense of the word--unless you approach it with the understanding that in the
Father is unity, therefore in the division of the house that spurred the creation of man as a creature born into a dualistic perspective which
dominated the OT (where spirit and flesh were separated by the veil on the entrance to the holy of holies) there was man and satan on the outside and
Yod He Vav He inside the holiest place. But that's pretty deep for this particular question.
The LORD being the demiurge defeats the whole fundamental dualistic belief system of the gnostics in that sense--because in the OT there was not
mention of the Father in the way brought to the minds of the people in the OT.
Personal revelation (in each soul) supported by scripture shows that Yehoshua (which means Yod He Vav He delivers) was the Spirit of the OT God in the
fleshly body of the son of Mary. That's why He was 'Immanuel' (God with us) and the whole principle behind the crucifixion--the Pharisees did not
recognize that the one they accused under the guidelines of their laws was the very One who first gave Moses those laws on Sinai:
And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the sons of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and
they shall say to me, What is His name? What shall I say to them? And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And He said, So you shall say to the
sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you. And God said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah the God of your
fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My title from
generation to generation.
--Exodus 3:13-15 MKJV
Yehoshua speaking to the Pharisees:
Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.--John
Then Jesus said to them, When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you shall know that I AM, and that I do nothing of Myself, but as My
Father has taught Me, I speak these things.
--John 8:28 MKJV
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and He saw and was glad. Then the Jews said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen
Abraham? Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM! Then they too k up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus
hid Himself and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and passed on by.
--John 8:56-59 MKJV
The last book of the OT also reveals this:
Behold, I will send My messenger, and He will clear the way before Me. And Jehovah, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even
the Angel of the Covenant, in whom you delight. Behold, He comes, says Jehovah of Hosts.
And I will come near you to judgment. And I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers,
and against those who extort from the hired laborer's wages, and turning away the widow, and the orphan, the alien, and not fearing Me, says Jehovah
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us
from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the
forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him,
and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
--Colossians 1:12-17 KJV
I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree
therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
--Isaiah 44:22-24 KJV
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:
before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
--Isaiah 43:10-11 KJV
Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the
Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
--Isaiah 43:14-15 KJV
Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not
know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
--Isaiah 43:18-19 KJV
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