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Topic started on 5-9-2003 @ 02:10 PM by Tassadar
To not take away from Jakomo's thread,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I've decided to create this thread to determine whether or not the United States is the most powerful nation in the world...
So then is anyone better than the US?

I'll go ahead in throw in my 50 cents from my blog about a month ago:

>Why the US would own China in a war on any level of the playing field anyday
The U.S. would own the Chinese if it ever came to full-scale conventional war. While there may be a lot more Chinese than Americans, apparently none of you who site this fact have any understanding of military logistics. For every soldier in the field, there are ten people at home in the fields providing the food for that soldier, in the factories building the weapons that he fights with or fabricating the clothes that he wears, in the MASH units ready to sew him up if he gets hurt, etc. As you can imagine, this tends to cause the added "attritional bonus" offered by China's superior numbers to dwindle and evaporate quite quickly. Furthermore, the U.S., by virtue of it's superior farming and manufacturing ability, can actually mobilize a much greater proportion of it's population than can the Chinese without impacting productivity in the slightest, so you might actually find numerical superiority to be on the side of the Americans if it ever came to mass conscription...

Then you have to factor America's immense technology advantage. The Chinese field a small and antiquated air force composed primarily of older model MiG's, which historically have been smashed to pieces when going up against American F-15, F/A-18, F-14, and F-16 aircraft, even when they have the numerical advantage (which in this case is unlikely).

On the ground, the T-72 is completely inadequate to the task of stopping the M1A2 Abrams. With the chobham armoring on the Abrams, the only way to penetrate is to get directly behind and fire a round right into the grille on their six. In all engagements to date, no tank force has ever been able to disable an Abrams, and the only time they've been disabled at all was when facing ambushes from infantry wielding RPG's. Meanwhile the 120mm on the M1 can kill a T-72 in a single shot. In one instance during the first Gulf War, a single shot had so much penetration power it actually went clean through one Iraqi T-72 and then disabled another directly behind it.

As for infantry, the Kalashnikov is okay, but not especially accurate. It's often said that the only people who buy a Kalashnikov are those who can't afford an M-16, standard issue for Americans.

Another reason is simple training and tactical superiority. Americans are far better trained on average than the regulars of any other nation, and their tactics are better to boot. Should the Chinese ever wind up in combat with us, they would quickly find their C3 complexes gutted with precision airstrikes, which is especially devastating when you consider how centrally-controlled Chinese military doctrine is. Without command, the Chinese cannot function. In the meantime, every time a group manages to mass, they would quickly find themselves to unrelenting saturation bombardments. A few daisy-cutters would either force them to scatter into units too small to form any cohesive defense, or be shredded.

To sum it all up for those who don't wanna read, We'd own China' @$$ in war!!!



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Can anybody argue with this?
- Tassadar


reply posted on 5-9-2003 @ 02:47 PM by FULCRUM
I arent here to argue/to start a fight.

But:

The best yet "US" SF trooper:


"In a country that revels in its martial tradition, the exploits of reconnaissance men during World War II (WWII) have become a part of Finnish folklore. Former President Dr. Mauno Koivisto (SDP) (1982-1994) was a member of a long-range reconnaissance company commanded by the legendary Lauri Torni , who later joined the U.S. Army as Larry Thorne. CPT Thorne was into a second tour of Vietnam with MACV-SOG when he was killed in a helicopter crash on 18 October 1966. Considered a national hero in Finland, CPT Thorne was awarded the Mannerheim Cross, Finland's highest military award (equivalent to the U.S. Medal of Honor) in July 1944."

Have you seen the "Green barets" movie by John Wayne? Hes acting this man in it.

From: www.specialoperations.com...

Also check:

www.taskforceomegainc.org...

Larry A. Thorne is the only American POW/MIA to fight communism under three flags - those of Finland, Germany and America.

[Edited on 5-9-2003 by FULCRUM]


reply posted on 5-9-2003 @ 05:11 PM by FULCRUM
Originally posted by Tassadar
When was the last time the United Saets lost a war?
Vietnam is it, and we didn't really loose, we just didn't win.

Sure we've lost battles,
but First blood isn't important as Last Blood

Being a seasoned war veteran, have you ever encountered enemy frces bette tacticaly trained then your own troops?
I'm not talking like a platoon of US regs on foreign Spec. ops, just in a standard fight (hehe, there is no such thing).
- Tassadar




What ever, like i said.. if there is better troops than US has they really are in a non-hostile/allied/neutral countries.

Nothing the US really has to worry about.

But like i said luck is everything! Even "crappy rag-tag gang" of Somalis can cause serious problems or an a defeat, if your plan is #ed up and the troops in the field cant adjust to the situation. Basicly any, even "guerilla/terrorist force" can fight and even win war against any nation even if armed only with rifles, MG:s, light mortars, MANPADS and RPG:s.. an most importantly the SUPPORT OF THE NATIONS POPULANCE.

Tanks and planes arent everything.. they are something, but against enemy that knows what it is doing these have little effect. Like in Chechenya wars part 1 and 2.

Surely did Russia planes and armor cause much damge and casualities. But: it was in the end the Russian SF/SPECIAL-POLICE[OMON/SOBR]/INFANTRY UNITS.. that had to finish the job, as the were no targets left for the heavy high-tech weapons.. and drag the mother #ing terrorists out of the sewers of Grozny..

And the job is still going on.. as some caucasian moslems nations harbor these terrorists.. that then do raids into Chechen territories.

[Edited on 5-9-2003 by FULCRUM]
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