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POLITICS: New Orleans: Incompetence or Population Control?

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posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by FredT

Forced Internment? Where? Even In Valhalls personal account of visiting one such relocation area people placed there are allowed to leave if they so wish. Period. there is no forced interment beyond a medical one.




As Valhall reports, people are provided with shelter and food, but only so long as they stay inside the camp - the moment they leave, for any reason (job hunting, breaking the monotony), they lose the right to come back.

This is forced interment - an ultimatum, not a choice.

Sorry all - still running. Will return and respond to other comments, posts later.




posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 01:26 PM
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Nice work Soficrow.




Government created this crisis of confidence - now they're shooting Americans who are strong enough, and independent enough, to make their own way. Instead of applauding survivors for their Yankee gumption, the government is prosecuting. For shame.


I take it you're refering to these people? NEWS: French Quarter Holdouts Create 'Tribes'

If so then I agree wholeheardedly but if it includes the people shooting up the place, that's different.

I'm more worried about this forced evacuation of the peaceful groups and I agree that there are probably some juicy clean-up contracts on the way.

Population control is a stong statement.

I see it more as free market, uber capitalist, individualistic, non-socialist and militaristic thinking in action.
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posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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Population control.

In my opinion the only form of population control that occurred in New Orleans, happened long before the storm.
It was a poverty trap created by the monthly government check.
It was a reliance on the government thats hard, if not impossible to break.

What I saw were plenty of able bodied people, not helping others, but themselves to others property. Instead of looting, those who could walk, should have been helping those who could not.

Now, they are depending on Uncle Sam again.
But I don't think it's all their fault.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 02:51 PM
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nice thread starter work Soficrow


re: 'Population Control'....initially i thought the term was about the morbidity aspect, you know, the body bag count.

but 'Population Control' is also about the forced mass migration,
the forced exodus-evacuation-eviction and soon to come expulsion
was ultimately the only way to hijack the valuable Port of New Orleans
(having to wait 30-40 years for the now unfolding operation to start)

* this (NWO/neocon) Project, will be the ticket for VP Cheney is assume
the USAs Executive Office in 2008
->we citizens might call it the Presidency, but thats just a flowery title
which satisifies the Constitution & the masses
~~~~~~~~

bottom-line, its a land grab & the seizing of a city.

now the Fed is giving the evicted proverty class, semi-interred at shelters,
debit cards @ $2K value to start their lives somewhere else....

in other words...
all those evacuated from N.O. have lost everything
or have since, voluntarily given up everything,
(& your no longer welcome to return to N.O.)
-->now, that's some pretty heavy 'Population Control'



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 02:59 PM
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I imagine that when the city is rebuild it will become very "exclusive" meaning only the people with means will be able to buy a piece of land.

The government probably with the new seizure of land law can use any areas of NO for business and corporations can get hold of anybodies property specially when is not longer hoses in the land.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Yeah it will be so pricy the original inhabitants will not be able to rehabit the city.

The old traditions will be carried on by a disney like NO theme park.





[edit on 9/7/2005 by bodebliss]



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 03:15 PM
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Well, if it matters any to the race issue people aren't being allowed to leave until they have been "processsed". That's such an odd term for a rescue operation don't you think?



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
Yeah it will be so pricy the original inhabitants will not be able to rehabit the city.

The old traditions will be carried on by a disney like NO theme park.

[edit on 9/7/2005 by bodebliss]


You know I heard somebody in the news telling the same thing, that they didn't wanted NO to look like a Disney team park.

I imagine that one of the reason for many no wanting to leave is due to the fact that they are afraid that their properties will not longer belong to them anymore.

The governments are requesting thousands of mobile homes so I wonder it the people will be relocated in the outskirts of the city while the city is taken over.

By business and corporations to rebuild a model place.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Gools
Nice work Soficrow.




Government created this crisis of confidence - now they're shooting Americans who are strong enough, and independent enough, to make their own way. Instead of applauding survivors for their Yankee gumption, the government is prosecuting. For shame.


I take it you're refering to these people? NEWS: French Quarter Holdouts Create 'Tribes'




Yes, and the many others like them. (and thanks)





If so then I agree wholeheardedly but if it includes the people shooting up the place, that's different.



I suspect the focus on "looting, raping, and murdering" is radically exagerated to justify pop-control measures. ...But no, I am not defending the criminals, just the people trying to hang on to their homes, and rebuild their lives.






I'm more worried about this forced evacuation of the peaceful groups



Me 2. I saw it coming, but posted before it was official. VERY bad stuff, IMO. Especially in context of the options offered, like detainment/interment camps.




Population control is a stong statement.




See St. Udio's post above - pop-control has many meanings and nuances. Wasn't sure that was happening when I first posted, but now am more convinced. ...The poor of NO are being herded, by ultimatums, and given NO reasonable choices. That's pop-comtrol.





I see it more as free market, uber capitalist, individualistic, non-socialist and militaristic thinking in action.
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Militaristic yes, but corporate control PREVENTS individualistic participation in free market capitalism - and keeps everything under its own umbrella/control. Which is why survivors are being forced out - to pave the way for the corporate takeover.


PS. Thanks all - great stuff.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 04:21 PM
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I seen a movie, where "right-thinkers" took over the world.

They implanted chips that would expose 'wrong' thinkers and they wiped-out any rebels.

Is New Awleanss the beginning of the end ?

Or the end of the beginning?






[edit on 9/7/2005 by bodebliss]



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 05:01 PM
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Well the reconstruction of NO will fall now under Cheney control the president is sending him down south, I guess he will bring with him all his buddies in the Haliburtion net.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
I seen a movie, where "right-thinkers" took over the world.

They implanted chips that would expose 'wrong' thinkers and they wiped-out any rebels.

Is New Awleanss the beginning of the end ?

Or the end of the beginning?

[edit on 9/7/2005 by bodebliss]




I think the end of the beginning was in 1916, or whatever year the Federal Reserve was privatized.

The beginning of the end happened around 1989(?) when Daddy Bush corporatized and privatized the USA and the last remaining government departments to make way for NAFTA (refs are here on ATS, ie., search United States of America, Inc.).

This may be the end of the end.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Then again you also have to think on how in the world the US military or FEMA could get trucks into NO when there were streets that were flooded up to 20 feet. But a lot of people don't seem to want to think those could also have been the reason, or at least part of the reason, why help didn't arrive sooner.


The most powerful military in the world, able to topple governments and occupy countries across entire oceans alot deeper than 20 feet had trouble getting supplies in, but CNN and Fox could get Anderson Cooper and Geraldo Rivera in there with camera crews immediately?



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by Muaddib
Then again you also have to think on how in the world the US military or FEMA could get trucks into NO when there were streets that were flooded up to 20 feet. ...


The most powerful military in the world, able to topple governments and occupy countries across entire oceans alot deeper than 20 feet had trouble getting supplies in, but CNN and Fox could get Anderson Cooper and Geraldo Rivera in there with camera crews immediately?



27jd - It's because private corporations are more efficient than bureaucracies.

Or else it's because FEMA's focus is security, not rescue operations or emergency management.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
27jd - It's because private corporations are more efficient than bureaucracies.


Maybe we should put Geraldo in charge of FEMA, not some idiot horse judge, who wasn't even cut out to judge horses.



Or else it's because FEMA's focus is security, not rescue operations or emergency management.


It certainly seems that way, and I think alot more people are starting to notice. The coming days and weeks should be very interesting.


[edit on 7-9-2005 by 27jd]



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 07:36 PM
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The looting started before the wind stopped blowing. Check into the accounts coming from the area.

No one forced the "bad people" to act bad. And they did a world of hurt that will obfuscate issues that need desparate attention.

Grady hit it on the nose.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 09:27 PM
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Many so-called looters and shooters left in New Orleans simply are exercising traditional American independence, ingenuity, and adaptability - and choosing to go it alone, and survive, without depending on incompetent governments. They won't be rounded up, herded, and shipped like cattle to slaughter. They are defending their independence and their rights, with guns, because Americans have a right to bear arms, and defend themselves against the government when necessary. It's the American way, and the promise that put Bush in the Whitehouse.


The more I read the original post to this thread, the more I have to wonder what sort of reality its author must inhabit. Certainly, it isn't the America I grew up in, although the point may be made that that America is nowhere to be found.

How can a rational person make such a statement as that made above--that the people who destroyed the businesses that the storm spared were "exercising traditional American independence, ingenuity, and adaptability?"

This is such a ludicrous statement as to be more suited to the National Lampoon than the prestigious ATSNN. In fact, it is worse than ludicrous. It is outright insulting to every American who lives and breathes the promise of America to the world.

I will go so far as to say that America is the only entity in the universe that someone could post such a scandalous lie about on ATSNN and not be fined to the fullest extent of the T&C.

I once posted an article from Jane's about the state of the Canadian military and had to endure page after page of personal attacks from outraged Canadians, including at least one moderator, even though the article was in no way condescending or insulting.

The point is that here we have a Canadian who has the audacity to post a diatribe of complete and utter nonsense, lampooning the United States, calling criminals the very personification of America and there is hardly a whimper from the "Americans" on this board.

What a sham!

Looting to Survive in New Orleans





[edit on 2005/9/7 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 09:32 PM
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Grady Grady Grady, I prefer the term 'Shop Looting"

Used in a sentance 'Do you want to do some Xmas shopping? nah I did my shop looting earlier"

I cannot find it but there was a shot of some guy carting a plasma TV out of a store. Being a Boy Scout and all, Im pretty sure the 42" Plasma was not on the Ten Survival Essentials list.

Edit: maybe its 11 after the matches

[edit on 9/7/05 by FredT]



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
Grady Grady Grady, I prefer the term 'Shop Looting"



In fact, Fred, in New Orleans, stealing is simply called "shopping." It's considered sport by a certain class of New Orleanians, you know, kind of like hunting, or perhaps a hobby, like gardening.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 09:47 PM
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I don't think I've seen anyone mention this but looting seems to be the ultimate irony of this situation, in that it was ultimately pointless.

Those that were left in the city to loot had no transport to get the 'loot' to where it would be profitable, for themselves or for sale. With the evacuation orders you could only take a small bag with what you need, not what you want, so everything looted has been left behind anyway.

I don't attach any preferential politics to this, only the observation that it seems in dire straits many of us will now resort to materialism first.


[edit on 7-9-2005 by kegs]



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