I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp, page 4


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reply posted on 6-9-2005 @ 10:19 AM by FredT
Originally posted by Valhall
[All of this makes sense to me and Springer. But I do question why taking sick people into a wilderness setting, in a confined area with 5000 people, is deemed a more appropriate action than taking them to hospitals. The camp is at least a 30 minute drive to the closest adequate hospital. The question becomes - how long will it take to get the health issues under control? Maybe FredT or some one can address that question.

CORRECTION: There are RUMORS of three dysentary outbreaks. The reason given for the lock-down is so they can figure out who is sick and who is not. That makes sense.


Okay had to do a bit of digging but the quaranteen for dysentary seems a bit iffy.

I pulled our Infectious disease doc out of rounds for a few questions:

According to him, Dysentary is a catch all for diarreal like illnesses. The culprit is usualy either amebiasis, giardia, or shigella. The first type has an incubation period of a few days to several months or years, Giardia has a incubation period of 1-4 weeks, and shigella is 1-7 days.

The first two are treated with Flagyl, the shigella is treated with an atibiotic specific to gram neagtive bacilli (ampicillin, ceftriaxone. or cipro depending on type isolated) Depending on the severity of the infection oral doses can be given.

Each one has variations that can be better or worse than others depending on the sub type of the infective agent.

However, the ID doc was perplexed about keeping them isolated for this reason. He asked specificaly if the facility they are in has hot running water, sanitary systems in place, and soap. Handwashing is the key to stopping the spread. If so there really is no need to isolate them.

He and I also question the location of the facility. From a pediatric standpoint little ones can dehydrate pretty rapidly. Did you see anything that indicated they were setting up an infirmary Val? YOu need a nurse to dispence medication and that is beyond the scope of practice for what looked like EMT's and Paramedics in your pictures. SO if someone does get sick they will have to get them out of there down those windy roads to the local hospital. ALot of these people are already symptomatic and why would you lump them in with clean or unknown people unless they were families?

Now if they are worried about Cholera thats a whole different ball game. Maybe they want to avaid a general panic and have stuck the dysentary lable on them?

[edit on 9/6/05 by FredT]


reply posted on 6-9-2005 @ 11:34 AM by Valhall
WTF?

www.kfor.com...

The camp is owned and operated by the Southern Baptist Convention of Oklahoma. The American Red Cross is working with Baptist officials to oversee sheltering needs at the camp.


The Salvation Army will provide clothing.


The lady at the gas pumps told my daughter the Red Cross was not going to allow people to bring in supplies.

We get there and FEMA and OHP are in charge.

Our preacher confirms FEMA and OHP are in charge.

The Red Cross is claiming to be in charge.

The White House has urged us to contribute to the Red Cross.

Does Red Cross = FEMA?

P.S. And why is the Salvation Army claiming to be providing clothing when FEMA said they had too much to go through and wouldn't take anymore. Did Salvation Army decide to plant a claim on all of those contributions by citizens so they could toot a horn?

what the heck is going on here???

[edit on 9-6-2005 by Valhall]


reply posted on 6-9-2005 @ 12:03 PM by Mystery_Lady
I would believe that. They even had a lock down in the superdome. No one could leave. That would be very bad if someone inside was able to contact friends or family, and was able to move out.

Your story is very creepy and sending chills up and down my spine. It doesn't make sense to me that they have a lock down at the church's camp site. If they are worried about diseases, why are they not checked out by a doctor or hospital first before placing them in the cabins.

Only two rations of food really sounds like a nightmare to me, especially when dietiticians say that everyone should have at least three good meals a day. Living in such close quarters with strangers for such a long time will cause problems.

I'm sorry it sounds and looked too much like a temperorary concentration camp. One of the things they did with real concentration camps is make things look good on the outside, and make it look as if it is not as bad as it really was. You were able to go in and see the beds, the toys, and some of the preperations. I'll bet you it will be much different when the people get in there.

I don't like the idea of the kids being put through school inside of this camp. This is a serious isolation issue with a health excuse. I'm sure if things really do get bad, that they will not want the kids to say anything in the regular school systems. I wouldn't be suprised if you and even Springer had a very tough time speaking with any of the people even after 4 1/2 months is over.

They could be lying about letting the people leave the camp. They could site the health issue the entire time they are there. People would just say it is their incompentance again, or is it? Will they possibly let people go back to their families in the early stages.

Why only five months? Where are they going to take them after five months? Supposedly it is going to take 9 months just for the clean up, and more like years before anyone can really move back in and have any type of life.

Or do they feel that would be enough time for the American people to forget about the NO victims. We helped them, gave them a place to stay, gave them some food, and now it is time to move on to something else. Those who have friends and family could have moved back out in society in the early stages. What they would have left is forgotten, dependant people. What will they do with these people?

If they have the large facilities that conspirists believe they do, they could easily move these forgotten people to one of those facilities and do who knows what to them.

Yes, this is frightening. It will help for us not to forget about these people in the months to come. FEMA could also use excuse after excuse after excuse to keep these people detained for no reason waiting for us to forget about them entirely. They could even tell outside family members that those people are dead. The government has already been caught in many lies and scandles over the years. I fear this may be their biggest attempt yet.



reply posted on 6-9-2005 @ 12:41 PM by frayed1
Originally posted by Valhall

I have another questions, but related. When the mayor of Houston offered up the Astrodome he made the statement (and I paraphrase) that they may be moving to similar facility as the Superdome, but would now be free to come and go as they please.

Some one has told me that they have heard the refugees (by the way, did you guys see that mainstream media gave in to Jackson's ludicrous whines and are now using "evacuees"?) can not come and go from the Astrodome. Is this true?


Monday evening, there was an interview with several of the women that were staying in the astrodome. One was very up beat about Houston, and said she would be staying and getting a job in her line of work, CNA ( certified nursing assistant), and bringing the rest of her family to join her. She was shown on a city bus, going 'site seeing'. Another woman had already gone to work at the local Walmart ( Walmart has apparently said any of their NO employees will be put to work in a Walmart where ever they are relocated to. )

I had the impression these ladies were still staying at the dome, just leaving during the day. It was mentioned that those sent to the dome were given pink armbands, and that was how they got back in after leaving during the day.....showing the armbands.

It was also mentioned that the people that originally came to the astodome would be relocated out of there, and then others were going to be brought in, it was a temp staging area. ( Sorry no links, but I think this was on CNN)

My daughter was telling me this weekend, that her college (W Ga) has a dorm that was being renovated, (so therefore no students were lined up to board there this semester) and that the college had opened that dorm to evacuees from the gulf area. Some had already arrived when she came home on Friday. I don't know whether these evacuees will be just college kids, or a cross section of the population. ( I have been getting a bag of clothing together for her to take back next week, but I too may find that they are also no longer accepting clothes.)

BTW, another great post Val!....and me all out of WAB's....there's been so many already this mo.

[edit on 6-9-2005 by frayed1]
to change superdome to astrodome, my bad.

[edit on 6-9-2005 by frayed1]
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