Originally posted by Valhall
what the heck is an "immigration emergency" and how does it even happen and why the heck are we spending almost $400 million on such a wild supposition?

It's bizarre - even to me.

I would say that we are already in an immigration emergency.

Millions of illegals have already crossed the border from Mexico.

Hopefully these camps are to detain these illegals (and not us!)

Right now there is NOTHING to deter people from entering our country illegally. Millions have gotten through. The handful that they do catch are fed, kept in hotels at taxpayer expense, and sent back to Mexico with no punishment.

Maybe if they know whey will be interred it will deter them from coming here illegally. Maybe not. Either way something must be done and this sounds like a good start.

I think it's sheer incompetence and a lack of caring whether the red tape really is properly addressing a given problem versus making the appearance some one gives a poop.

But I tend to look at things on a real elementary level.

To increase the probability of the safety and fair treatment of the refugees, I implore you to offer your data to the "media whores". In circumstances such as this, the media can be utilized as a protective tool on behalf of the suffering refugees. The more the government body is enabled and/or facilitated to conceal the treatment of the refugees from the external world, the more likely it is they can succeed in unnoticeably mistreating them. The situation is obviously coemergent with some sort of socio-psychological experiment that is in everyone's best interest to keep as public as possible. The important thing to keep in mind is that awareness needs to remain focused enmasse upon the what happens to these countrymen.

Remember to "Manifest Destiny". Allowing your findings to become amplified can make the difference between appreciable or regrettable developments that continue to unfold for us all.







[edit on 25-3-2006 by Abovetheinfluence]

Well Valhall, I have just given you a way above... you prob get them all the time so its no real surprise but...

I read this before and just looked at it again...and was so impressed with the first hand account. And more to the point that you are caring enough to help the people in their time of crisis. It is so easy to get overwhelmed with everything that is wrong with the world at times but reading your account for the second time really struck a chord with me. And to be honest, after reading much of your academic work on conspiracy matters, I had imagined you to be in front of the pc 24/7 but reading this again, I realised that not only do you have a family, you are out there helping people and that is fantastic!

Originally posted by Valhall
what the heck is an "immigration emergency" and how does it even happen and why the heck are we spending almost $400 million on such a wild supposition?

It's bizarre - even to me.

Who knew the rubber band was wound so tight, eh?

What are your thoughts, now, Val? I'm curious.

good story val im not saying there not doing wrong to a point i have to think someone is not getting the job done right im a firefighter our county has 16 volunteer fire depts and we sent trucks and personnell down to help out with what ever needed to be done but to our surprise we were side lined and parked just like the pic's you showed we could not help out because of the radio interoperability which we do not have with other dept's since then i have tried to find out about this and fema is trying to get a radio frequency for what we call first responders and will give all emergency personnell the ability to talk to each other no matter what state or where there at so i dont jump to conclusions so fast anymore

I was just curious Val -have you gone back to that town in Oklahoma - have the people left? Has FEMA left?

Valhall, I understand what disgusted you.

If 'those people' weren't paranoid psychotics before they went in, they will be by the time they leave.

This may be the biggest undertaking that I have taken in anything that had to do with life in general, but I volunteer my free time for this. What would you all want on this subject. I don't mind interviewing people at the FEMA parks (they're everywhere here) as well as others. I will see what I can videotape as well, but I will need help somehow uploading everything to the net.

Really, I can help. It's not so pretty down here, I promise.

u2u me.

And if anyone has a clip of the regional director of FEMA endorsing Ray Nagin before the election was completed on WDSU Channel 6 - New Orleans, I would really appreciate a copy if it could be uploaded. I am desperately trying to find someone who recorded it.

Thank god I am not an American,
But not much better, English.
A Tony blear kiss ass country!(usa ass)
If a 3 world country had this disaster.
All the rest send help!
But they thought America would not need them to help!
(Not that they would have got it)
They wear left to starve.
Would you not go looking for food?
I bet some of them thought All of America had gone the same way.
So you think after 5 days "hell I am on my own!"
And you wonder why they wear looting?
Haw can America send help to 3 world countries
And not to there own people?

Hmm, I think it is kind fo silly to expect an initial camp for such a disaster to run perfectly smoothly. There's tons of logistics and communications involved. Pretty much all disasters involve some sort of martial law being established to keep things okay. If people didn't expect things to be somewhat repressive when arriving at these camps, then I don't know what they were expecting. You'd have riots and out of control people without regimentation.

One thing about Americans is that they don't like socialism, yet when a disaster happens, everyone expects socialism from the government. Well socialism requires some enforcement as well to enact it. Otherwise, people would be robbing food supplies.

As for the government, one basic fact for any disaster situation: DO NOT count on the government to provide help.

As for the military being rpesent, why wouldn't they be present? When a disaster happens, it's the military that helps oftentimes. They have to maintain order as well to feed everyone.

Originally posted by WheelsRCool
Hmm, I think it is kind fo silly to expect an initial camp for such a disaster to run perfectly smoothly. There's tons of logistics and communications involved.

This is FEMA, a government agency that's supposed to know what they're doing. I don't believe they're as stupid as they look. If they didn't know what to do, they should have found people who did, instead of declining help when it was offered.

Pretty much all disasters involve some sort of martial law being established to keep things okay. If people didn't expect things to be somewhat repressive when arriving at these camps, then I don't know what they were expecting.

They would expect the rights afforded to citizens of the United States. Why should the rules of human decency change when there's a disaster?

One thing about Americans is that they don't like socialism, yet when a disaster happens, everyone expects socialism from the government.

No, they expect a return on the tax-payer dollars they give to a democratic government.

As for the government, one basic fact for any disaster situation: DO NOT count on the government to provide help.

People keep saying that... and I think they're wrong. THAT, my friend, is the point of government. Otherwise, what good is FEMA? Otherwise, we'd have anarchy, and when someone broke into your house, you wouldn't be able to call the police.

FEMA's sole duty is to respond to disasters in a way so as not to kill the presumably fortunate surviors of said disasters.

Originally posted by niteboy82
I don't mind interviewing people at the FEMA parks (they're everywhere here) as well as others. I will see what I can videotape as well, but I will need help somehow uploading everything to the net.

It would be an added bonus if someone from Florida could take a good hard look like this at the FEMA facilities that provided for the Florida victims of the hurricanes the prior year. It's my understanding a lot of them are still there and the situation is pretty bleak, making no progress still in getting these people back into the mainstream of life. They seem to be the forgotten people.

Anyone live near one of these?

Originally posted by HarlemHottie

Originally posted by WheelsRCool
Hmm, I think it is kind fo silly to expect an initial camp for such a disaster to run perfectly smoothly. There's tons of logistics and communications involved.

This is FEMA, a government agency that's supposed to know what they're doing. I don't believe they're as stupid as they look. If they didn't know what to do, they should have found people who did, instead of declining help when it was offered.

Pretty much all disasters involve some sort of martial law being established to keep things okay. If people didn't expect things to be somewhat repressive when arriving at these camps, then I don't know what they were expecting.

They would expect the rights afforded to citizens of the United States. Why should the rules of human decency change when there's a disaster?

One thing about Americans is that they don't like socialism, yet when a disaster happens, everyone expects socialism from the government.

No, they expect a return on the tax-payer dollars they give to a democratic government.

As for the government, one basic fact for any disaster situation: DO NOT count on the government to provide help.

People keep saying that... and I think they're wrong. THAT, my friend, is the point of government. Otherwise, what good is FEMA? Otherwise, we'd have anarchy, and when someone broke into your house, you wouldn't be able to call the police.

FEMA's sole duty is to respond to disasters in a way so as not to kill the presumably fortunate surviors of said disasters.

The rules have to change somewhat when there's a disaster. It is impossible to distribute food and medical care without some enforcement, and that enforcement requires some established rules until things settle down. And no, that is not necessarily the job of the government, at least not the Federal government. The Federal government's job is international problems mostly, otherwise it gets to large. The state government is supposed to handle such disasters.

Originally posted by WheelsRCool


The rules have to change somewhat when there's a disaster. It is impossible to distribute food and medical care without some enforcement, and that enforcement requires some established rules until things settle down. And no, that is not necessarily the job of the government, at least not the Federal government. The Federal government's job is international problems mostly, otherwise it gets to large. The state government is supposed to handle such disasters.

When your house is under water for 2 weeks, because of a failed system created by the federal government, then you can tell me that this is a state issue. Of course, I am sure there would be whining and crying if you lost our port, and if you lost our oil pipelines...

FEMA handled their job poorly. It has been proven that they at least had an idea of the outcome, and they did nothing to prepare. Why is it that we knew so well here what could happen, and the feds didn't? Give me a break.

Thats the problem, people don't understand the point of FEMA. I agree wholeheartedly that FEMA did fail miserably, but that isn't the point. Natural Disaster Relief is and has always been a State/Municipal responsibility. FEMA was set-up in 1979 in order to provide a back-up in case the local government fail. In the case of Katrina, the local and State governments failed so disasterously that even if FEMA was managed properly things still would have turned out to be just as disasterous. If you are looking for someone to blame for this, blame Ms Katrina. If you REALLY want to blame someone blame the mayor of the "Chocolate City" who ignored reports that the levy would fail, or the state government whom failed to have a disaster relief plan in place, despite the fact that their own advisors told them the disaster was not a POSSIBILITY it was a SURE THING.