I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

Originally posted by craig732
Once again, instead of answering a question clearly and concisely, Valhall responds with insults, sarcasm, and now even foul language. Apparently her side of the issue has lost steam so now it degrades into further mudslinging. I feel like I am in a political campaign!

I didn't respond with insults. I responded with passion. There's a difference.

Are u 4 real's last nonsensical post shows he hasn't even bothered to read the thread. Because this thread makes clear that over the course of the next week after my pics at the camp were taken there was a series of delays in the intended occupants arriving, and ending with the Governor announcing the camp wouldn't be used.

So to ask me to provide pics of citizens (and I still don't know what citizens he wants pics of) in this camp shows that he didn't even care to learn what took place. He simply wanted to cause trouble.


[edit on 11-1-2005 by Valhall]

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by Are u for real???
I agree with yout hat we need some followup on this.
Also did Val show any of the people in her pics?
Where are the citizens? The people demand citizens!!!

What citizens? What citizens do you want pictures of? Do you want pictures of citizens being detained? Citizens detaining other citizens? Or citizens marching in protest?

Do you want 18th century citizens? 19th? 20th? or 21st?

Do you want black citizens? white ones? or a big pot-pouri of citizens?

Do you want the ones who only have served in the military? or maybe only the ones that have served in the incompetent arms of government...like FEMA.

Do you want me to post pics of the citizens that are taken into "custody or detainment" by the FBI, the DHS or the various state BIs?

Do you want me to post pics of citizens that have been deemed lesser by the catastrophe they are suffering through? or the ones who aren't right simply because they don't look right to you?

Are you getting the picture cheese-cake? What pictures of citizens - EXACTLY - do you want?

And thanks for correcting me...there's no way you are a sock-puppet, you're too full of crap to leave room for a hand.

[edit on 10-30-2005 by Valhall]

Val - the confused and cynical cheesecake lover

Val- Where do I start? I am asking for updated photos of "detainees" at this camp. I am asking for interviews from detainees at this camp.

Ok now this is a big on Val - I am asking how you would have done things differently? How would you provide a state of law, provided food, water, shelter, communications within the facility, communications to their families outside of the facility, and provided these people with information about how they are going back and what/how they can go back to something?

Oh another question you did not answer - Is have you or have noyu not made any mistakes in your life?

Just the facts Val, Just the facts, PLEASE!!!!!! There is no need for name calling. Your name calling seems to mean that you have a low self-esteem and that you find a personal gain in belittling someone else. Sorry to see that you have this problem but self-esteem can be helped by talking with a friend, a religious figure - like a pastor, or professional help. It definitely sounds like you need some help, please seek it because I am sure that you are a better person.

As far as the other people types you are listing, I think you forgot what the discussion is about. Please stay on focus to what this thread is in regards to.

And yes, I do like cheesecake and I would be delighted to share some with you sometime.

As always Val I must ask you - Are u for real???

I'm out of this thread

This thread has appearently took a serious negative turn. So I see no value to continue to be bantered by opinions where there are no facts.

Good luck to all!

Val- I hope you get some help somewhere

Are U:

You are acting as if Val made claims she did not. Did you read the entire thread? It never got to the point where detainees went to the camp (perhaps due to Val's report on this for all we know).

Anyway - have ya got a clue? Let it go, for your own sake, or shall we just say au revoir?

Val, I salute you. It remains as true as ever:

[B] "All it takes. for evil to triumph. is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke [/B]

This evil plan did NOT succeed because YOU did something to stop it. Thank you.

Valhall,

I don't think that anything that you state will change the minds [I'd say something else - but then someone would cry flame] of these people who are in denial. Maybe [doubtful], if you had been able to capture one of the fema people on the ground and coherse them into telling you the whole plan would people believe this is happening.

I have seen this on so many boards - people just don't want to believe it could happen. It is terrible to think that our gubermant would stoop to the level of the SS just as in WWII? They wouldn't do that, would they??

A prominent Russian leader either in the late 1800 - early 1900's stated that at the opportune time, they would take the US without firing a single shot. They would simply get americans to busy in sports, porn, etc and we wouldn't see it coming until it was too late. How does this relate to what you found? Same organization running both ends.

My question is, you found one about to be active, when will the next one be, how long, and who is invited.

You people need to be preparing for this. When this happens it will be ugly.

Okay, so maybe they won't have camps - no big deal, right, wrong. Camps were being designed to re-educate. They can alway's go to the alternative and just terminate - they do have a world wide population quota to meet.


There are locations being built in the NW US that unlike this camp have an 8 inch gas line built in to the facility. Now I wonder why?

Valhall, just find us some more camps!

KS Coyotee

Originally posted by twitchy
Wow man. Maybe we aren't so paranoid afterall. Too bad you didn't get any video, I bet Alex jones would give his left one for this story Valhall.
Do you have any media contacts? I could give you some information if you want to take this story and run with it, it might not make clear the mainstream media, but my god you got pure gold there for the independent media.

We are not Paranoid, it's not the first time that this topics as been discuss in there, we are just looking if in the next few years if we will have a NWO
and How humans are treated!!!

Hi all,
Been away for a while but back now. I just want to comment on this FEMA/Katrina thing that caught my eye. I would hope that if I were in their shoes(those victims of the Katrina disaster) I would have HELP from the Red Cross and kind people such as the author and his great family to give a hand rather than what the FEMA organization did here in OK. It would seem to FEMA as they were trouble makers when they were in reality part of the solution. As were those that FEMA were helping(?). I don't know about you but I would rather not be referred to or treated as a criminal in my hour of need. When I saw this thread, I was infuriated at and somewhat ashamed of my government. I mean we all complain about the government from time to time for various reasons, it is our birthright as Americans. But there is no excuse for this behavior. True there are a lot of people to help and get back on their feet, but accusing the victims of being criminals is plain wrong.I wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed.
troylawson

Valhall, I just wanted to say, "thanks" for posting this topic. I am sadly not surprised, but this was what I really wanted...to see it in pictures.

This was more than a mere lack of empathy and responsibility that accounted for the oval office's indifference and the government's delay in response, as well as the failure to plan for the security of the most vulnerable: the poor, the infirm, the aged, the children. What it really was, was a violation of basic human rights.

It is a truth that needs to be told, starting now - over and over. I hope a great deal of attention is given to this thread, and that it opens some eyes.

Many people appreciate truthful reporting, Val. It’s just that the the complainers are louder and more obnoxious. Keep up the great work!

Valhall, are there still people in these camps? Do you know how they're being treated presently? I'm sorry if you've answered this. I haven't read through the 22 pages of this thread. I read your story back after Katrina happened and wanted an update, if you'd be so willing.

Originally posted by katdillon
Valhall, are there still people in these camps? Do you know how they're being treated presently? I'm sorry if you've answered this. I haven't read through the 22 pages of this thread. I read your story back after Katrina happened and wanted an update, if you'd be so willing.

katdillon,

As far as I know there were never any Katrina victims that stayed at the Falls Creek Camp. I do not know if there are still people housed at Camp Gruber, but I will check into that and get back with you.

I was in Quik Chek this morning when i overheard a fireman who had just returned from the Louisiana area and said "The camps down there are just like the concentration camps from back in WWII" word for word. I had remembered this thread and had to post what I heard. If I had the money, I would flee the country right about now. America is turning into a prison for its citizens more and more everyday. The keys to our shackles are held by the elitists who make up the ruling class and they refuse to liberate us. It is only a matter of time when that metaphor becomes reality.
God I hope I hit the megamillion 2nite!

Originally posted by picard_is_actually_a_grey
Exactly, its caused by contaminated water containing the feces of suffers, hence if they have sanitation theres absolutely no risk of catching it. Also this is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't allow people in to these camps or the 'refugees' out.

Well, these people just lost "everything" they had... They may have lived in the Superdome for quite a long time. After that who knows where they lived and what sanitary conditions they endured. What I'm trying to say... That despite the way this refugee camp sounds... It may be better then any other option.

I don't like the location. I think they should have found some place closer to a major metropolitan area. However, after hearing how Valhall described the location it seems like the perfect area from a logistics view point. Lots of large buildings - already built - in a close proximity to one another. The infrastructure was already in place is the point I'm trying to make.

Yes, someone mentioned this already, but I think it got skipped over due to a heated debate on the first page. A lot of the reasoning behind having strict rules in this camp stems from the large quantity of sue happy people in this country. These people have nothing and I can guarantee some of them would not think twice about opening a lawsuit if something bad happened during their stay.

As far as letting people out, they are free to leave once all their paperwork is in order. They just can't come back I guess. This may be a stern "parent" type tactic to get these people out of the camp... Not sure if I like that.

One is, I wonder how many "misinformation" personal are on this site to discredit what ATS is trying to do. Like the individual posted here, the NWO will take over in a flash once the Christians are Raptured off. Then the "evil one will show his face on TV to everyone but instead of speaking everyone will hear him telepathically in thier own language, and appear as the God that they believe in Buddha, Allah, Vishnu, and the like. Then since everyone has been so bombarded by movies about alien abduction I'm sure something will be said laying claim to it and only he can protect you. The Christians who thought they were but got left behind will probably be the first ones off to these detention camps. The first 3 1/2 years will be world peace, then 3 1/2 years of death and destruction like have never happened before. Satan will be cast to the Earth, and will require everyone to get the mark. I pray all of you get oil for your lamps.

Originally posted by KS Coyotee
Valhall,

I don't think that anything that you state will change the minds [I'd say something else - but then someone would cry flame] of these people who are in denial. Maybe [doubtful], if you had been able to capture one of the fema people on the ground and coherse them into telling you the whole plan would people believe this is happening.

I have seen this on so many boards - people just don't want to believe it could happen. It is terrible to think that our gubermant would stoop to the level of the SS just as in WWII? They wouldn't do that, would they??

A prominent Russian leader either in the late 1800 - early 1900's stated that at the opportune time, they would take the US without firing a single shot. They would simply get americans to busy in sports, porn, etc and we wouldn't see it coming until it was too late. How does this relate to what you found? Same organization running both ends.

My question is, you found one about to be active, when will the next one be, how long, and who is invited.

You people need to be preparing for this. When this happens it will be ugly.

Okay, so maybe they won't have camps - no big deal, right, wrong. Camps were being designed to re-educate. They can alway's go to the alternative and just terminate - they do have a world wide population quota to meet.


There are locations being built in the NW US that unlike this camp have an 8 inch gas line built in to the facility. Now I wonder why?

Valhall, just find us some more camps!

KS Coyotee

let me say something....


the rapture WILL BE A ALIEN ABDUCTION..caused by jesus and the forces of light...all the ppl who dont get abducted will be forced into undergorund bases and concentration camps...this will be the perfect time for the reptillans to strike..when they know everyone will run to them...THE REPTILLANS RUN ALL GOVERNMENTS IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM!....THE LOCUST WHO APPEAR AFTER THE RAPTURE WILL BE THE REPTILLANS OR DRACOS...they will force all the ppl to take a mark,this mark will join them to the reptillans...THIS WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR....IN THE SIXTH SEAL OR 2006

oNCE JESUS RAPTURES THE TRUE BELIEVERS..

the government will lie and say that aliens are invading earth..and they have tooken our family members...that is not true....the only alien invading earth are the ones that are already here....the governmnets will all join together to form the NWO...the nwo will tell the world that the only way to survive this invasion,will be too goto the camps..then when they reach the camps..they will be forced to recieve the mark...anyone who doesnt take the mark..will be tormented 5 months until they break down and take the mark...

Originally posted by Infra_red
If I had the money, I would flee the country right about now.

I just figured I would put my 2 cents in once again, if for no other reason than to get this discussion back on track from the EXTREME left turn it just took...

Infrared... what country would you go to? As "oppressive" as this contry is, which one do you consider less oppressive, and why?

Originally posted by MagicPriest420
let me say something....


the rapture WILL BE A ALIEN ABDUCTION..caused by jesus and the forces of light...all the ppl who dont get abducted will be forced into undergorund bases and concentration camps...this will be the perfect time for the reptillans to strike..when they know everyone will run to them...THE REPTILLANS RUN ALL GOVERNMENTS IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM!....THE LOCUST WHO APPEAR AFTER THE RAPTURE WILL BE THE REPTILLANS OR DRACOS...they will force all the ppl to take a mark,this mark will join them to the reptillans...THIS WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR....IN THE SIXTH SEAL OR 2006

For goodness sake Magic, you are spreading these statements all over the board, putting it here too is really a stretch.

Could you kindly just start your own thread if you feel you need to evangelize this theory of yours?

Originally posted by Infra_red
I was in Quik Chek this morning when i overheard a fireman who had just returned from the Louisiana area and said "The camps down there are just like the concentration camps from back in WWII" word for word. I had remembered this thread and had to post what I heard. If I had the money, I would flee the country right about now. America is turning into a prison for its citizens more and more everyday. The keys to our shackles are held by the elitists who make up the ruling class and they refuse to liberate us. It is only a matter of time when that metaphor becomes reality.
God I hope I hit the megamillion 2nite!

Thank you for posting this info, Infra_red. A few months ago I hit a wall and was seriously considering leaving the country. I know a few people who have already left. My husband and I talked it over and decided to stay and fight it. It's very frightening, but so much better than just letting it happen. How could I leave such a horrible world to my daughter and not attempt to change it for the better? I don't believe that other countries will be particularly safe. We need to stand up for freedom, not run away.

About a year and a half ago, I moved to New Hampshire with the Free State Project. Since then, my friends here and I have been engaging in various acts of protest and civil disobedience. I've been shocked at how little resistance is needed to get the government to back down. The big secret is that they MUST HAVE our willing compliance for their police state to happen. It cannot happen without our voluntary servitude.

Now that you know what's happening to this country, please consider staying and fighting. Freedom is worth it. This country is worth it.

Free State Project freestateproject.org...
NH Underground nhfree.com...
Voluntary Servitude www.soulawakenings.com...
www.soulawakenings.com...

Kat Dillon
NH Freedom Radical

Oh, my husband suggested I give you the link to our FEMA protest we did. Here's the webpage on it. There's a link to the newspaper article we got on the front page.

www.soulawakenings.com...