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Originally posted by AgentSmith
This may have been covered already and I apologise if this is the case (I need to catch up with it all!), but is there any way that you can try and arrange an interview maybe with one or more of the refugees?
It would make a good podcast and might answer a lot of questions and maybe even put some rumours to rest.
Originally posted by CatHerder
Act like a jerk? Why do you have to turn to personal insults? It's ok to be WRONG Val. It's ok to be WRONG...
I'm asking for proof that it's a detainment camp (YOUR words). I'm asking for proof that there are people being held against their will. I'm asking for proof that this is nothing more than a place for people to live for a few months until they can go home or move to a new home or new jobs.
Nobody here, and nobody in the media has called it a detainment camp, nor has anyone said anyone was moved there against their will. Except for you implying that this was the case.
[edit on 10-9-2005 by CatHerder]
posted on 9-11-2005 at 12:48 Post Number: 1678054 (post id: 1699947)
Rebuttal to "I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp
If I may break down the report that was posted about our facility as Falls Creek in Oklahoma.
Page 1 stated: I packed up two car loads of us and headed over to Falls Creek. In the Emergency Management Community we have asked the population over and over not to "self deploy" and the following reason are given for such request.
Prior to Jesse Jackson making his comments our Governor and the State Officer of Emergency Management asked all Oklahomans to please refrain from using words such as refugees and displaced people. We were asked to use the wording "Oklahoma Guest". This went out on the media here in Oklahoma and in print.
The author of this report continues to use the term refugee throughout the paper.
One of the primary reasons for using Falls Creek was the picturesque area and having the ability by faith-based groups to allow these folks the ability to put their lives back to normal, as much as possible, without having the press and lot’s of concerned citizens hound them for interviews and “how was it”.
We knew from the start that we needed additional security at the site so Oklahoma Highway Patrol officers were assigned in double shifts to protect those “guest” from the media and other “well concerned citizens”.
She states her daughter “turned and snapped a picture of his vehicle (Page 5)—very conspicuously”. There was no reason for some James Bond type of picture taking OHP officers are very friendly and will allow their photo’s and that of their cruisers to be taken.
The reason (page 7) for not allowing clothes was the fact we need to ensure they are clean and in good order. We have over the years at disasters received soiled and dirty diapers, ripped clothes and other related items by well meaning citizens. We now have retired ladies who help us select clothes that can be used by these folks. I have photos’ of thousands of clothes at Fall Creek that were standing by ready to be delivered to these folks.
(Page 8) The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. That is true once they were placed on the busses we had no way to determine their medical status. They have been exposed to several elements and prior to allowing them off camp we wanted to have them checked out by the Doctors and Nurses we had lined up at Falls Creek (Page 15 the people in the blue jump suits). We also had 22 ambulances standing by for medical emergencies. We had a similar camp in Northern Oklahoma and had 4 medical emergencies the night these good folks arrived and they needed immediate transport to a local hospital. Many of these US Citizens arrived with pre-existing medical conditions.
The reason your “pop-tarts” were accepted is they are sealed in an enclosed package and are “tamper proof”. We are trying to protect our Louisiana friends from the criminal element and bad people that might want harm done to them. This is the reason Apples and Oranges were not allowed. I wonder if this lady allowed her children to go around on Thanksgiving and accept open candy from strangers.
Oklahoma never had the intention of accepting 5,000 guests (page 9) as she stated. Our cap and the cap that our governor worked out was 3,000 at falls creek. This is the maximum number of meals, toys, clothes and other related things that needed to be in place prior to our guest arriving.
The Cell phones were put in place by our Office of Emergency Management due to a request of our emergency workers since cell phone coverage is so poor. Cingular and others donated the towers and equipment including the coverage. We also place these cell towers at Falls Creek so once the people were on their feet they could start calling loved ones throughout the country and inform them they were OK.
The toys she refers to must first be checked. We have had “Christian groups” donate toys such as swords, toy guns and other devices that usually mean harm donated to our causes over the years so we check them closely before allowing any kids to play with them.
The meals were going to be provided by the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army. We at the Health Department were requiring that they eat hot food with plenty of vegetables not the “junk food” that this lady stated she was brining. Snacks were to be laid out during the day and night for their use, but meals which included the basic food groups were required 3 times a day.
If you have any questions concerning Oklahoma intent please feel free to give me a call at PHONE NUMBER REMOVED DUE TO FREAKS! Monday through Friday.
Oklahoma State Dept of Health
Originally posted by Selective_ID
I've read this, over and over.
#1. I don't feel it's a detainment camp.
Just because they have strict rules, doesn't mean they're trying to break anyone down, and starve them to death.
There are going to be a large number of people, and order MUST be kept, otherwise those people could overrun the place.
#2. They can't cook for themselfs.
I understand this, some cabins may stockpile food that is more nutritious, and another cabin's inhabitants may stockpile food not so, and someone hears "cabin 14 had steaks!" well #, we only had hot pockets, that's b.s.!
It can lead to some real trouble, it'd be a real media nightmare, so they're making sure they all get the same thing, to treat them equally in this manner.
#3. Issue with the clothes.
Let's be reasonable here, there were ALOT of people who were left homeless, and NOONE can replace, or be expected to, theyre entire life savings, clothes, etc, so these people get what they get, as it's donated, and they're trying to make sure everyone gets an equal amount of clothing, etc, without one person having the BETTER of the pick... this could indeed cause a riot...think about it, someone who was just LOOTING, goes into a place, and is given mediocre clothing, and one person gets high end brand name.. this situation would be just like prison...and I know, I've been locked up for 18 months, I know how easy it is to snap in there...myself included.
#4. They can leave, but can't come back.
Well no s***, this isnt a f***ing free for all come get whatever you want f***in flea market.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
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Originally posted by cryoruggie
I live in Minneaplis, and we have had several cases in the past years where poeple have slipped pins and razors into Haloween hand-outs.
Originally posted by cryoruggie
You know - I can't help but sympathise with the FEMA staff handling that camp. I live in Minneaplis, and we have had several cases in the past years where poeple have slipped pins and razors into Haloween hand-outs.
Can you imagine if there were people in Oklahoma that might do something similar in the food breing brought in?
But everyone lambasts FEMA for taking the simplest precautions such as not allowing food not in tamperproof containers.