any videos of experiments?

Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by dunkleskates
nazi doctor/scientist who perfomed various experiments on jews during the holocaust. they called him the angel of death.

www.auschwitz.dk...

not for the faint of heart. this is very graphic

[Edited on 1-17-2004 by dunkleskates]

He also worked with the CIA in the MKULTRA program to create mind controlled slaves through torture and rape, sometimes starting in the womb.

this i did not know. links?

The story of how '___' came to the United States of America and how it was used by many institutions at the behest of the CIA is told in The Search for the Manchurian Candidate by John Marks. The full book can be read here;

www.druglibrary.org...

Anyone who finds the film of the UK military experiments which involved the use of '___' on unwitting soldiers amusing obviously doesn't know the full story behind these trials.

The story of many of the soldiers that you have seen in the film is told in a book by the UK investigative lournalist Rob Evans. The books title is Gassed-British Chemical Warfare Experiments on Humans at Porton Down
ISBN1-84232-071-8

The book deals with all types of CW Experiments that the UK Military scientists conducted on British soldiers. In 1953 a UK soldier dies after having Sarin nerve agent dripped on his arm. The original inquest, which was held in secret, has been quashed and a new inquest is underway as I write. Former "volunteers" are giving evidence as to the CW experiments that they were involved in, including the notorious Operation Moneybags '___' experiments. The inquest may be followed here.

www.wiltshire.police.uk...

The Imperial War Museum Film and Video Archive have recently obtained more footage of these and other UK CDEE Porton Down '___' experiments and details of each film may be found here.

www.iwmcollections.org.uk...

Click on each film for more detailed information such as:

Film Number:
MGH 4464 Film Title: a TRIAL OF AN INCAPACITATING DRUG [Main]



Production Date: 12/1964
Production Country:
GB
Production Sponsor: Ministry of Defence
Production Company:
Chemical Defence Experimental Establishment, Porton




Record of the Moneybags Trial (abbreviated version of Small Change) when volunteer subjects from 41 Royal Marine Commando engaged in a field exercise after imbibing the hallucinogen '___' (lysergic acid diethylamide) at Porton, 27 November - 4 December 1964.
Introductory title places trial in context of recent research to discover chemical agents able to incapacitate enemy forces but with negligible risk of fatal casualties. Aim of trial is to test effect of drug '___' 25 on behaviour of troops in field conditions. Detailed coverage of the trial follows: Marines bring in prisoners on Day 1 (Control day), then attempt same exercise on Day 2 (Drugged). One Marine in state of distress is comforted by nurse, while others smile and laugh hysterically, one attempting to cut down a tree with his spade, and another climbing the tree. CDEE umpires in white coats observe. After exercise Marines rest in bed in Porton ward, with nurses visible in background and a scientist with a reel to reel audio tape recorder capturing wildtrack sound of patients. One very distressed Marine is held by duffel coated doctor and scientist, muttering "I am not going to die." Cut back to end of the exercise, with Marines departing by truck, before concluding title states that despite promising results of experiment, further research is needed into methods of disseminating drug, the effects of larger doses and establishing economical production techniques. "Despite these and other problems, '___' is regarded in the light of present knowledge as one of the drugs which merits more detailed examination and testing."

Notes:
Acquisition: one of thirteen assorted reels on '___' trials (Operation Moneybags, Operation Recount); other trials held as MGH 4465, 4466 and 4467.
Remarks: the film was originally designated "Confidential".
References: Reports for Porton Down '___' field trials held at PRO under following references: Moneybags (Dec 1964) - Porton Technical Paper No. 936 dated 1965 (WO 195/16137); Recount (Sept 1966) - preliminary report dated 1966 (WO 195/16312, Porton Technical Paper No. 979 dated 1968 (WO 195/16660); Small Change (10 January 1968) - brief preliminary report dated Feb 1968 (WO 189/122), report dated 1968 (WO 195/16694); Short Change, no documentation, but involves 1st Staffords and is probably abbreviated version of Small Change.


Other CDEE Porton Down '___' Films are available:

126

DED 82-3
[MONEYBAGS (MINI)] [Allocated title][PORTON DOWN TRIALS NON-NITRATE COLLECTION] [Allocated series title] GB
12/1964

127

DED 77-1
[PART OF HOSPITAL WARD SCENE FROM OPERATION MONEYBAGS] [Allocated title][PORTON DOWN TRIALS NON-NITRATE COLLECTION] [Allocated series title] GB
12/1964
128

DED 77-2
[PART OF HOSPITAL WARD SCENE FROM OPERATION MONEYBAGS] [Allocated title][PORTON DOWN TRIALS NON-NITRATE COLLECTION] [Allocated series title] GB
12/1964





129

DED 82
[(MINI) MONEYBAGS. HUMAN VOLUNTEERS (TROOPS) AFTER SUBJECTION TO '___' 25] [Allocated title][PORTON DOWN TRIALS NON-NITRATE COLLECTION] [Allocated series title] GB
12/1964


135

MGH 4465
[HOSPITAL INTERVIEWS WITH PORTON VOLUNTEERS AFTER OPERATION RECOUNT, '___' FIELD TRIAL TO TEST INCAPACITATING AGENT] [Allocated] GB
9/1966

138

MGH 4467
A FIELD TRIAL WITH A PHYSICAL INCAPACITANT [Main] GB
1968


141

MGH 4466
THE EFFECTS OF DOSING HALF AN INFANTRY PLATOON WITH AN INCAPACITANT [Main] GB
1/1968

Also available on this site is a description of the film of the UK Biological Warfare experiments that were carried out in the mid 1960s in the southern part of the UK.
Click on the film for further details of how the UK Microbiological Research Establishment Porton Down secretly sprayed massive quantities of live bacteria over South Dorset between 1963- 1968. The film title is;

139

POR 2
MRE FIELD TRIAL RS 13 [Main][MICROBIOLOGICAL RESEARCH ESTABLISHMENT FIELD TRIAL RS 13] [Alternative][PORTON DOWN TRIALS NON-NITRATE COLLECTION] [Allocated series title] GB
1968


zero lift

Originally posted by SabbyJ

How it's use will effect you is down to a lot of factors. Your mental state, your enviroment, the people you're with. The effect it will have on you is like nothing you can really imagine. The entire world become another auditory and hallucinatory universe. The world becomes a dream, but one which you can feel, taste and touch. And once the trip begins, you're stuck there for the duration, be it good or bad. With an average '___' dose these days, thats gonna be at the very least 6 - 8 hours where you lose mental control 100%. And a bad trip can have you believing you have arrived in hell itself.
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Some of your points are extreme worst case scenarios and others are just extreme exaggerations.

Have you done '___'? No single average dose lasts 6-8 hours.

It can get a tad intense when you're peaking.

Now imagine that no-one has ever told you about acid.

And you're serving in the military.

And you think you're helping find a cure for the common cold.

And everything you do is recorded by people in white coats.

And no-one knows how to talk to a casualty.

And some bastard keeps filming you.

And you end up in "hospital".

And you get Returned To Unit without anyone ever explaining what has just happened to you.


zero lift

The Imperial War Museum link doesn't appear to be working. Try this instead.

www.iwmcollections.org.uk...

Go to the drop down box on the top right, and choose film. On the next page type "PORTON DOWN" into the subject box (top left hand box)

This should give you a list of about 158 Chemical and Biological Warfare films made by Porton Down, the UK CBW Centre.

Click on each film for more details.


zero lift

Originally posted by groingrinder

I have taken '___' thousands of times and have never seen anything that wasn't actually there, however sometimes what is there "breaths" or seems to oscillate.

Thousands of times!? Are you exagerating? I would say you are a drug addict if you have taken something to alter your mood "thousands of times". You may not know what the long term effects of that are until you are much older. I will pray for your sanity.

A tiny segment of the Microbiological Research Establishment Porton Down film, The Lyme Bay Trials, can be found here.

www.bbc.co.uk...

The trials, which involved the spraying of massive quantities of live bacteria( E.coli and Bacillus subtilis) across the South Dorset coast of the UK, were conducted between 1963-1968.

Further BW detection experiments were carried out in public areas of the UK. In 1971 and 1975, the United States Army and Navy both joined Porton Down in collaborative live bacteria dispersion trials across the South Dorset area of the UK.


zero lift

Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by FULCRUM
Makes one to see illusions.

Nothing funny about that #.

Drug are bad.

I have taken '___' thousands of times and have never seen anything that wasn't actually there, however sometimes what is there "breaths" or seems to oscillate.

if you think youve taken lsd thousands of times,you need to change dealers ,mate.he must be laughing his pants off,at the fact your so gullible.or exagerating a wee bit...lsd is a nasty dirty drug,that everyone should steer well clear of,the effects will stay with you forever.take it from one who knows