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How do I get "them" to notice me?

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:14 PM
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I've been doing a lot of thinking lately. You know, questioning how I know what I know. That sort of thing. Well, I was thinking...It seems that it is common knowledge that "they" can spy on us, apparently at will. Is this really true?

I am aware, as many of you ATSers', that the United States Government has agencies, such as the National Security Agency (N.S.A.), the Feceral Bureau of Investigation (F.B.I.), the Central Intelligence Agency (C.I.A.) and Homeland Security, that monitor E-mail and IM traffic on the internet through a program called Carnivore. In addition to this ability, the U.S. Governnment, through it's numerous intelligence agencies, are also able to monitor telephone, cell phone and other Personal Digital Device traffic.

From what I understand, the various means and methods that the Intelligence agencies rely, primarily, upon identifying "key words" and communication traffic from "key locations". The thing is....the knowledge ot such intelligence capability (i.e., "Carnivore", is something that, the existance of which, was "leaked" to the public. We are, for the most part, all aware of the existence of such capabilities. But, do these capabilities REALLY EXIST?

I was wondering what it would take for a relatively determined individual to "be noticed" -- in a verifiable manner -- by the Intelligence Community. What would a list "KEY Words" look like? You know.....words or phrases that would really make an Intell analyst sit back and say "hmmmm"? And what would a list of "KEY locations" from which electronic communication traffic look like?

Of course, I understand that there would probably be many, many very obvious "key words" that would raise nothing more than an eyebrow, if that, due to the commonality of certain terms i.e.,: dynamite, t.n.t., suitcase or dirty bomb, fission, nuclear, atomic bomb, anthrax, biological agents, sarin gas, etc. But, I wonder, what sort of terms would make an intelligence agency to, at least, flag an individual?

Of course, being "simply flagged" is not necessarily verifiable. What if said communication --- loaded with "key words" were mailed from specific suspicious locations? Again, are there locations beyond the expected (i.e.: Iraq, Bagdad, Istanbul, Moscow, Chechnya, etc.) that would raise even more suspicions?

Would sending, purely as a test of the system, a "loaded" message from a "hot" location make someone take notice? What about additional aspects such as highly advanced encryption or an obvious but not so obious code buried within a message? As for verifiability, "targets" could be named whereby indications of "heightened" security could be noted thusly, the experiment could be confirmed. I would be interested in receiving some input on this concept.




posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:20 PM
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If NSA’s ECHELON is as capable as it’s reported be, then yes they can if they wanted to.
By the way the NSA is way more secret than the CIA.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
By the way the NSA is way more secret than the CIA.


just an observation.....but if the NSA is waaay more secret than the CIA, how come we even know about it? Of course I know about the old saying about how N S A stands for "No Such Agency" but, still, we do know about this organization. I can only surmise that there are many more organizations -- truly secret organization -- that are only whispered in the halls of the Pentagon or other "powers that be".

Still, how do we truly know the intelligence capabilities of such intelligence organizations. Are their capabilities simply disinformation or can they really do what they say or is that we only believe that they can do what they say?



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:39 PM
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to come under the scrutiny of the United States government, just for the hell of it? Why would you want to waste even a minute of law enforcement's time when they are busy at work chasing the real terrorists? And trust me, you wouldn't even know that you were under surveillance until such a time as they bring you in for questioning and hopefully beat you with the fire hose.

To me, playing immature games like this or doing "tests" just for your own interest and gratification is sad. We're talking about life and death here. Our intelligence community is stretched thin as it is. We don't need them wasting time and resources on purposely raised false leads.

You might as well prank-call 911 and distract them from responding to a rape or murder. That may be an extreme comparison, but I just cannot overstress this point which I'm trying to make. I sincerely hope that you're not going to attempt to get the attention of our authorities who are busy investigating legitimate terror suspects just for your own experimenting and amusement. Believe me... it's a dumb idea, especially if you ever want to board a plane without getting a cavity search for the rest of your life (something you'd more than deserve if you pulled off this stunt).



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 07:14 PM
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just an observation.....but if the NSA is waaay more secret than the CIA, how come we even know about it? Of course I know about the old saying about how N S A stands for "No Such Agency" but, still, we do know about this organization.


Listen I don't know if there are such agencies, all I'm saying is that the NSA is more secret than the CIA. In the 90’s the NSA refused even request from congress to report to them. They only did so after Congress threatened to pull their funding.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13
Why would anyone in their right mind want to come under the scrutiny of the United States government, just for the hell of it?


No, certainly not. But I don't think B.tyrant wants them picking through the garbage.
Just a clever literary excercise exemplifying the topic.

There are far easier ways to be noticed anyway. Take pictures of trains and bridges you like, or go for long rambling walks in a city in and out of professional buildings admiring the architecture, or just be. "They" really are everywhere and to a large extent we're "them" and will report "us" right away if "we" look suspicious. Good for "us."



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 07:27 PM
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If you used words on the Carnivore and Eschelon Keyword list, your email may get flagged, but then it would be read and interpreted to see if you were just messing around or if you were a danger. Still, they may not do anything that you could verify unless, like you said, the email was to or from a suspicious place or person.

I'm kinda with Rasputin on this one. I don't understand why you'd want to draw negative attention to yourself. Unless you just really don't believe it's true and you wish to prove that. Then, well... have fun.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by benevolent tyrant
I've been doing a lot of thinking lately.

I was wondering what it would take for a relatively determined individual to "be noticed" -- in a verifiable manner -- by the Intelligence Community.



Oh, you really want to be noticed huh ?


Well, did you know that CIA, NSA, NCC, MI 5, FBI, EMS, etc, are all listed.


Just give em a call. Want their number ?





[edit on 5-9-2005 by mr conspiracy]



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:43 AM
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Man if we have something monitoring our internet use im busted... they are prolly watching me right now i always have that "feeling" when im on the net...



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:56 AM
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Here's an article from the Register that has a list. Who know's what's accurate? Who knows if there even is a list.

There are only about oh... say 400 words on this list that would all but guarantee that ATS was being snooped daily.

*removed 400 unnecessary words*

[edit on 7-9-2005 by dbates]



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:56 AM
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The best way to get noticed is to talk intelligently about them. You go talking about Aliens Sucking up Elvis Impersonators, you aren't going to be much of a point of interest for them. But you start talking about them specificly, and can back it up with a little research and write effectively, you enter a whole new threat level, and whether you know it or not, at that point someone somewhere will make an assesment of you. If you show a patterned behavoir of discussing Them with any validity after an initial threat assesment, they will go so far as to make contact.
I have the honor of having been contacted once through an AOL IM, which I traced the IP back to a Federal Judge after I had posted some conspiracy related material on the AOL message Boards. He was asking me some very specific questions, predictable questions that revealed his identity right away. He wanted to know if I posted WTC related information often, he wanted to know if I met with other people in my area, how I personally felt about Islamic Extremists, what I planned to do with that information, etc. It was pretty obvious, yet mildly intimidating, but point is, when they take an interest in you, either you will find out, or they will let you know in no uncertain terms that they are keeping an eye on you.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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Here's a list of some good ones I found in there. They make COMPLETE sense...

Furbys (these are as dangerous as they are intimidating)

Scully (Well, duh!)

Echelon (obviously)

Dictionary???

fake (probably appropriate)

Dateline (I guess you shouldn't watch this show or something...)

JASON (That's just funny)

Majic, evil, zipgun, tax, (My band's new name)

White Yankee (Is there any other kind?)

Porno (my favorite)

Anyway, if this is a list, then Echelon can't work, because just about every day, some geek or three are going through searching all of these words, and/or creating bots to do it while they go to their respective servitude containments.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy
The best way to get noticed is to talk intelligently about them. You go talking about Aliens Sucking up Elvis Impersonators, you aren't going to be much of a point of interest for them. But you start talking about them specificly, and can back it up with a little research and write effectively, you enter a whole new threat level, and whether you know it or not, at that point someone somewhere will make an assesment of you. If you show a patterned behavoir of discussing Them with any validity after an initial threat assesment, they will go so far as to make contact.
I have the honor of having been contacted once through an AOL IM, which I traced the IP back to a Federal Judge after I had posted some conspiracy related material on the AOL message Boards. He was asking me some very specific questions, predictable questions that revealed his identity right away. He wanted to know if I posted WTC related information often, he wanted to know if I met with other people in my area, how I personally felt about Islamic Extremists, what I planned to do with that information, etc. It was pretty obvious, yet mildly intimidating, but point is, when they take an interest in you, either you will find out, or they will let you know in no uncertain terms that they are keeping an eye on you.





Thank you, this is more in keeping with what I am interested in discerning; the validity of the "accepted" notion that we are being monitored, our conversations (electonic) are being filtered and "flagged", and that "they" actually follow up on this sort of thing..........


Hmmmmmmm....I can' help but be curious...what were you chatting about to begin this theatre of angst?



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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its better if u just jump over the fence and into the White House South Lawn with a gun. thats the best way to get notice in my opinion.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaChaos
[There are only about oh... say 400 words on this list that would all but guarantee that ATS was being snooped daily.





If nothing else, your list certainly got my attention. Thank you for such an astounding list of "key words". If nothing else, someone, somewhere, had to put his coffee down to look over your post. But, I have to ask, in a more serious vein, would there be any "key words" that are relatively innocuous that would raise an eyebrow?



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:40 AM
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try using the US politicians favorite words such as: TERRORIST, 9-11, NUCLEAR WEAPONS, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION oh and put Osama as your avatar




i gotta go hide now...



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:46 AM
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I just took a look at Rense's list.


ERR, SBU, Threat, JPL, Tess, SE, EPL, SPINTCOM, ISS-ADP, Merv, Mexico, SUR, SO13, Rojdykarna, airframe, 510, EuroFed, Avi, shelter, Crypto AG.


Now that might not look like much. To you.

I'll highlight one word.

Tess

That's my name.



So...I guess me writing to my nephew about his Bugs Bunny obsession, mentioning our Aunt Mary who lives in Mexico, my recent bout of flu and perhaps a package for his birthday would really cause an international event, huh?

Dang.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower
I just took a look at Rense's list.


ERR, SBU, Threat, JPL, Tess, SE, EPL, SPINTCOM, ISS-ADP, Merv, Mexico, SUR, SO13, Rojdykarna, airframe, 510, EuroFed, Avi, shelter, Crypto AG.


Now that might not look like much. To you.

I'll highlight one word.

Tess

That's my name.





Heck, I'll just mention "Tinkleflower" and TESS in the same sentence and I'm sure the 6th Fleet will be diverted and a couple of spy satellites will be repositioned.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:41 PM
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I would hate to be one of the people who would have to go through a list of "flagged e-mails" with similar code words in them. The work would never end and everyone would be a suspect. I would imagine that the US government doesn't have the resources or the time for a task such as that. I would think that it would yeild pretty crappy results as well. I doubt that any member of a clandestine organization would use any of the words flagged for later reading.

IA and anything associated with it works in a much different way. We are all connected. Every last one of us. The software just makes use of those connections. If you want to know more about the IC, James Bamford would be a great place to start. That is no secret.

If you wanted to get attention, you would have to hang out with people who were people of interest, give them money, or just call them for a chat about the jade monkey being delivered tomorrow afternoon. Then they would be on you like white on rice. I would imagine that much "spookier" TLA's would have their hands in the interrogation.



posted on Sep, 7 2005 @ 02:33 AM
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Toad is a flagged word? I'm toast then, I own an Eastern American Toad named Jaba. He eats a couple things on that list as well.



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