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War/Sanctions on Iran is now hopeless and dead.

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 05:43 PM
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Russia is now with Iran fully ahead with its nuclear program and China.





MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia said on Monday it opposed reporting
Iran to the
U.N. Security Council over its nuclear program, putting itself on a collision course with the United States in a global body where Moscow holds a veto.
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U.S. and
European Union officials have warned they will push for Iran's nuclear case to be sent to the Security Council -- which could impose sanctions -- if Tehran does not halt all nuclear fuel work and resume negotiations with the EU.

"In these circumstances we see no reason why the question should be sent to the U.N. (Security Council)," the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on its Web site www.mid.ru.

Russia, long criticized by Washington for building a nuclear plant for Iran, is a permanent member of the Council and can use its veto to block any move against Iran.

The remaining four members with a veto are the United States, Britain, China and France.

Germany, Russia's key ally in Europe, threw its weight behind Moscow's call, saying Iran's talks with the
International Atomic Energy Agency watchdog and European negotiators were key to ending the stand-off.

"The Iran negotiations are not yet a topic for the Security Council, rather the negotiations should be revived," said Wolfgang Gerhardt, Germany's most likely next foreign minister after the September 18 election.

Iran, which denies wanting nuclear weapons as suspected by Washington and the European Union, says it has answered almost all of the IAEA's questions and shown its atomic ambitions are limited to harnessing nuclear power to generate electricity.

But it angered the EU by resuming uranium processing work last month at a plant in Isfahan -- a move which led EU officials to threaten the Security Council referral.

Diplomats in Moscow said Russia's staunch pro-Iranian position stemmed from its unwillingness to lose a key ally in the Middle East and an important market for nuclear technology.

"Russia has its own economic interests. Referring its key client to the Council would automatically cancel all of its lucrative contracts with Iran," said one diplomat. "Besides Moscow would never miss a chance to irritate the Americans."

Russia has built a $1 billion nuclear power plant for Iran near the southern port of Bushehr, due to be launched next year, and wants to further cooperation and trade with Tehran.

STAND-OFF

Russia, while calling on Iran to halt uranium conversion and improve ties with the IAEA, has long warned against using force to stop Tehran's nuclear program and called for diplomatic ways to resolve the impasse.

But EU foreign ministers have already agreed they were prepared to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council if the U.N. nuclear watchdog confirmed Tehran had resumed suspect nuclear activities.

The report by IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei, circulated to diplomats last week, said the agency was still not able to say Iran did not have secret nuclear materials or activities. The IAEA board is due to meet on September 19 to discuss Iran.

At the same time European negotiators have set no deadline for Iran to reinstate its suspension due to what EU diplomats said was uncertainty over achieving consensus on the issue.

"A majority referral by the United States and the Europeans with big players like the Russians and the Chinese opposed would be politically dead on arrival at the Security Council in New York," one diplomat said.

Another diplomat said Iran planned to hold a separate meeting with top U.N. and IAEA officials just before September 19 to present a new proposal aimed at ending the stand-off, in a move likely to lead to further delays in referring Iran to the Council.

Another diplomat said Iran "wanted to internationalize the current negotiations" by proposing to invite other countries like Russia, China, India or South Africa to join the talks.

(Additional reporting by Paul Taylor in Brussels and Louis Charbonneau in Berlin)
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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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Sanctions maybe, war, certainly not. This will make Bush's plan for war easier and quicker. No UN, no sanctions, no security council. The US disarms Iran directly. Russia wouldnt dare stop them - doing so could have grave consequences.


NR

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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Do you really think Russia and China will give out their biggest oil suppliers to the hands of U.S that easily?.

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:11 PM
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Do you really think Russia and China will give out their biggest oil suppliers to the hands of U.S that easily?.


Do you really think China would risk war with its biggest importer that easily?


NR

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23

Do you really think Russia and China will give out their biggest oil suppliers to the hands of U.S that easily?.


Do you really think China would risk war with its biggest importer that easily?



well theres two questions on that and U.N wont accept it, do you think China can live without oil and its oil prices going 100 bucks each barrel during a war with iran?.

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:23 PM
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Katrina has made sure US oil reserves are very low. Iraq isnt delivering, since the UN controls the oil and Bush isnt getting enough. He eyes Iran. My best bet is he'll roll the dice and invade, given a pretext.

Though Bush must know he must tread carefully, the last thing he wants (or needs) is WW3.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:24 PM
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Russia is in a very bad shape.

Only thing we can expect from them is to secretly sell weapons to psychos who want to see us blown to kingdom come.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Do you really think China would risk war with its biggest importer that easily?

Do you really think the US would risk war with China just to get at iran?



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:33 PM
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curious isnt the US screwd enough?
with IRAQ/AFGAN and now this natural desaster

then to go into another country?



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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Wow. This is exactly what happens in the movie "The Day After".

www.imdb.com...


curious isnt the US screwd enough?
with IRAQ/AFGAN and now this natural desaster

then to go into another country?


Like many people, you seriously underestimate the US military. We have much more forces than the media would leave you to beleive.

[edit on 6-9-2005 by Dronetek]

[edit on 6-9-2005 by Dronetek]



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Dronetek
Like many people, you seriously underestimate the US military. We have much more forces than the media would leave you to beleive.


Perhaps you can tell us where all these forces are. I am sure the President would like to find the manpower and the money, as well as the wherewithal of the American people to start another war.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by garyo1954

Originally posted by Dronetek
Like many people, you seriously underestimate the US military. We have much more forces than the media would leave you to beleive.


Perhaps you can tell us where all these forces are. I am sure the President would like to find the manpower and the money, as well as the wherewithal of the American people to start another war.



We have over 1,000,000 forces stateside alone. That is including active duty.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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Smokescreen, smoke screens... All a bunch of smoke screens,

The US is a technoilogically advanced, high tech fighting force, that if all other things go as planned will look awesome. If there is any mess up the entire things start to crumble.

I was watching a documetnry called "Nightmares: the rise of Terrorism", or something like that on the CBC. They talk about he Russia war with Afganni and how the US was funneling money into the terrorists there and such. Anyway, when it came time to talk about the Russian FOrces, they said "Russia folded like a house of cards, because it was a house of cards. It had been rotted out from the inside and when things started to go bad, it took everything with it", How similar is that to the American system? Based on lies and illusions in order to drive more out of a apathetic workforce in order to benefit the select few.....

Pretty scary stuff.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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Where were they then? Strange how they have to bring back forces from Iraq to cope with the aftermath of Katrina



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Do you really think China would risk war with its biggest importer that easily?

Do you really think the US would risk war with China just to get at iran?


Yes, because we know China will not go to war with us. They don't have the logistics, much less the over all military ability, to go to war with the US with even the slightest chance at winning.

If they go to war with us, nothing will be going in or out of China untill they surrender because the US Navy will simply dominate their costs and the USAF will dominate their airspace. Their economy would collapse.

It makes no sense for them to go to war with the US. We are the hand that feeds them - without our purchasing power, Chinas economy would go under in short time.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 01:55 PM
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AMM:

Are you always this delusional?


Seriously, the American forces in the ME are being pummelled, the American economy is beaten and broken, the only thing proping up the markets is the oil, and that is done mainly through illusions to keep the populace calm. Violent storms are only beginning and America has already been KTFO to the point of recalling servicemen back to your shores.....

And this makes you think that the US could take any country right now? Please Canada would be able to KO the US at the moment. LOL!!

America would do well to sit back, lick it's wounds for a bit and figure out a better stragedy. ANother war against anyone would be the end of the US.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Do you really think China would risk war with its biggest importer that easily?

Do you really think the US would risk war with China just to get at iran?


China would not go to war with anybody over Iran. Sorry.


The only thing that stands in Chinas way is money. USA = more money to China than Iran ever will, even with Irans oil.

The only thing that would ever cause China and the USA to go to war with each other is Taiwan. China's economy depends on the USA's buying habbits, and thats why Taiwan is so important to them.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Do you really think China would risk war with its biggest importer that easily?

Do you really think the US would risk war with China just to get at iran?


China would not go to war with anybody over Iran. Sorry.


The only thing that stands in Chinas way is money. USA = more money to China than Iran ever will, even with Irans oil.

The only thing that would ever cause China and the USA to go to war with each other is Taiwan. China's economy depends on the USA's buying habbits, and thats why Taiwan is so important to them.


You are forgetting that if USA controls the oil, they control China.
China will not let that happen, and Russia will back China.
The USA is playing bluf poker and they are gonna get their asses kicked by russia china and Iran.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Passer By
AMM:

Are you always this delusional?


Seriously, the American forces in the ME are being pummelled, the American economy is beaten and broken, the only thing proping up the markets is the oil, and that is done mainly through illusions to keep the populace calm. Violent storms are only beginning and America has already been KTFO to the point of recalling servicemen back to your shores.....

And this makes you think that the US could take any country right now? Please Canada would be able to KO the US at the moment. LOL!!

America would do well to sit back, lick it's wounds for a bit and figure out a better stragedy. ANother war against anyone would be the end of the US.



Good points! How is it that any thinking person in the world can't see and understand this?

It has been admitted since 9/11, yet GWB chooses to travel the same path of destructive behavior insisting that we will somehow come out the victor no matter what the consequences, the loss of life, or the expense.

I want to see, America, my nation (I wore the uniform and am a disabled Viet Nam vet) survive. But rushing headlong into disaster is not prudent.

There is nothing to gain being king of the hill if the hill is destroyed.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by motionknight

You are forgetting that if USA controls the oil, they control China.
China will not let that happen, and Russia will back China.
The USA is playing bluf poker and they are gonna get their asses kicked by russia china and Iran.


Nope, Russia wont do it either. Russia and China are rivals for the USA's and the wests dollars. Oil is king today but oil is not forever. These guys dont just look at the near future, or even the distant furture, they look at the very very distant future, and oil wont be a big part of it. But trade relationships and commerce will always be there.

I dont think either of those nations would ruin their economical future over a country that represents just a portion of a dying resource. The very moment the USA (or any nation) drops its dependancy on oil, their power to develop will be unstoppable. Russia and China cant afford to be on the other side of the fence if the country that does it first is the USA.

Iran doesnt have enough oil in their entire reserves to account for half the USA's expendature on Chinese goods, let alone the entire Wests.

I predict Iran would not spark an active war between the USA, Russia, and China. At best a minor cold war (and Russia and China cannot afford that)



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