Katerina is only the beginning...

Nobody gets the point! What the hell, most of you people are blind?! When I hear Bush, it makes me puke! Don't you guys see that your government is unable to handle the difficulties? AND THAT'S THE FUNNIEST THING:



This is the person you want to call a president? Do you think he went there in order to help???!!! Oh, give me a brake... Maybe I'll take the other reason; He went to get photographed! Everytime I listen to him at the TV I admire him, because he pretends too much! He is natural!
Anyway, I don't blame you but your 'government'. Everyone just have to see that politics is not just for the elections at the government posts, but continuous care about the people; Bush only feels 'sorry' about the pure Orleans people! Well if you say you are sorry command your crew to send some hundred of choppers to save those people! Give your dollars for their new homes intead of your weapons bought! I don't hesitate to accuse the number of people who voted for this man, who voted for their distruction!
Just deny (Bush's) ignorance! do something! America is not that kind of force that used to be! Katrina is just the beginning! It's not only about the terrorism! It's about our nature this time! We will self-destruct!


Mod edit: All caps.

[edit on 5-9-2005 by intrepid]

who had to ok everything bush did? congress did. bush would be powerless if the congress decided so. bush is just what the congress needed tho, a puppet so they could push foward their own agendas. they are the ones that can hold office as long as long as they get voted in repeatedly.

We've been talking about this up here for awhile. This event could possibly being the key trigger to the fall of the American Empire.

I expect to see a total colapse within my life time.

Key factors:
An artifical world ecconomy based on the World Bank which was never intended to be used the way it has been. Systems of Debt are unsustainable by definition.

Energy Crisies/oil addiction. The US is the biggest consumer of oil, but cannot sustain itself through internal production. The hurrican has made a bad situation worse but taking out an esimated 7 to 20 precent of national production. When you're already hurting, that's a BIG blow. Add to that the fact that the entire western seaboard is lit by Canadian power production (who are pissed off at poor trade relations and bullying), and you've really got your balls in a vise.

No real enemy and an age of comunications. There's no one out there to fight! Alquada is a myth. There is no mass organization of terroists. There are only pissed off people taking independent actions.
You can't fight that with armies.
Worse, you can't hide the truth in this day and age. Information is too easy to obtain, even by your common citizen.

Over extention of political grasp. It felled the Romans, it destoyed the French, and it forced the British back home. You simply cannot control the world and expect your empire to survive. What happens is very natural. When you over exten, you spend way too much moving assets around and maintaining those assets. At the same time, you are giving your weapons, technology, and support to people who don't want you around. Thus, they are inevitably turned against you and all your greatest strengths become your weaknesses. Saudi-Arabia is to the US as the Gauls were to the Romans.

I couldn't agree more! I don't blame Bush as h u m a n! I blame him as a government factor. Note that Bush is a part of the government...

Originally posted by BitRaiser
We've been talking about this up here for awhile. This event could possibly being the key trigger to the fall of the American Empire.

I expect to see a total colapse within my life time.

Up here? Where's that?

Anyway, I couldn't agree with you more. I do believe I will witness the collapse. It should be very... 'interesting' as in Chinese curse 'interesting'.

I thought of this very prediction when I read the thread about Katrina survivors forming tribes to survive, each individual contributing to the safety and health of the group. I think this will very likely be spread around the country soon.

Think of how vulnerable we are. What if the electricity in your city or town were to just go completely out. No TV, no computer, no cold food, the grocery stores' food would soon be bad. There would be looting and killing for food and water. Think of FEMA's response!

When I think of how easily the victims of Katrina could be me... Not necessarily from the weather, but perhaps an attack or power disaster, I realize that the safety and comfort and security I feel every day is a total illusion. We're on the precipice...

It's the system that's failing. Who's in charge is a moot point... althought having Bush as the frontman at this particular time is rather unfortunate.

Very akin to Nero being the front man for Rome while it was being tourched.
Do you blame him, or do you look at the system that lead to the inevitable demise of the emprie?

Answer: you blame both.

Well what happen in the south is nothing more than the human survival traits than span from the times of the cave man, tribes or clans were the only way to maintain a control and a hierarchy in a group before communities and government was establish.

When people has not news and no way of communication they tend to get bundle together for preservation.

Onces the government steps in it goes back to normalcy, that is why people has to be broken apart and separated.

That makes people insecure and vulnerable when families are pull apart.

We had 9/11 and our country did not collapse, we now had a natural disaster of great magnitude and I don't think that is going to be enough for our country to fall apart either.

But is a reality check that our country is not ready for a natural disaster and that means we are not ready for another terrorist attack either.

So the fancy "Home land Security" is nothing more than an illusion and a waste of tax payer money.

Originally posted by BitRaiser
It's the system that's failing. Who's in charge is a moot point...

Do you blame him, or do you look at the system that lead to the inevitable demise of the emprie?

Answer: you blame both.

I disagree. I think the system was working fine until corruption (a human failing) started being acceptable as a standard. I can't say who exactly or when this really happened, but I do believe we had the chance to 'turn the ship around' maybe 10 years ago, but didn't.

It's the captain and crew of this nightmare who are driving it into waters that we'll never be able to get out of alive.

When I say I blame Bush, it's really BushCo, PNAC, NWO. I think 9/11 was the obvious, public turning point, although the corruption was already in place for several years before that. We've been going down as a country since then.

I'd say it started much sooner.
The abuse of the worldbank was the setup for the fall.

This is something that not many people have a clear understanding of, so let me try to sum it up quickly;

The World Bank was set up by the US after World War II had left much of the world's production centers pulverised. The idea was to be able to draw from it in order to rebuild the shattered nations (Britain, Germany, France, Japan) and then they would repay when their industry normalized.

This worked rather well.

Unfortunatly, the US begain drawing from this psudo-bank for non-relief purposes (Reagonomics) and worse yet, they would pull moneys from it and send that money as national relief to others (thus short circeting the system by making those counties owe the US instead of the WB).

Since the WB is owned and opperated by the US, there's really no need for them to pay anything back. Thus, mega-debt started to accumulate while inflation from an unmitigated production of money went through the roof.

This is what has led to the current eccomomic system where nothing is really supported by anything. There is no capital possesed by the WB against it's loans. There's no control system in place. There's only mass spending of dollars that don't even exist!!

This is the system that will eventually collapse. There's just no way to stop it.

Guys sorry about the title; It's 'Katrina' not 'Katerina'.

I do feel for the american people mostly because george Bush seems to be extremely incompetent. i see him sopeak and I really feel for the US people, because I can just feel yuo all cringe... he can't string sentences together, he is extremely nervous all the time, an is just not believeable.

then again, maybe he is the perfect persident for the people why are running the show. But, how can the US expect to sustain itself when it has its troops trying to take over the world? I am suprised that there are any troops left in the US to combat this problem.

The Times had a great article. It made the point that the true American and western society is hidden underneath the manufactured and publicised one.

The suggestion has been that the breakdown of society witnessed in New Orleans could not happen elsewhere.

Wrong.

The city has extreme problems of violence and deprivation, but the economic apartheid inflicted on America is a wrong turn away in most cities. Go west of Constitution between central Washington and the RFK Stadium, walk the length of Broadway, get lost in Detroit.

The all-consuming civilisation that America wishes to export globally is no more than a pretty theory. Like Marxism, in practice it mutates horribly.

Western society survives because there is enough money to cushion peoples lives and help us live together. Take that away and the society collapes into anarchy and terror.

Many of the boasts made on behalf of Western civilisation are just a handy by-product of Western money.

We get along because we can afford to; in New Orleans, wealth was removed from the equation, and what values were left?

This was not just a failure for central government but for social scientists, educators, mentors, role models, the supposed civilising influence we wish to impose around the world.

So as long as we have money we are OK, but we are merely one step away from a mad max apocolyptic senario for western civilization. Money provides the veneer that hides the dirty truth inside....

[edit on 7-9-2005 by Netchicken]

True incompetence, punctuated with absurd assertions from the failing leadership. Thanks to Daniel Kurtzman of About.com for compiling "compassionate conservatives'" quotes. Sources for each quotation is listed with the article linked here.

1) "What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the Hurricane flood evacuees in the Houston Astrodome, Sept. 5, 2005 (Source)

2) "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina (Source)

3) "It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed." –House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), Aug. 31, 2005 (Source)

4) "We've got a lot of rebuilding to do ... The good news is — and it's hard for some to see it now — that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house — he's lost his entire house — there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) —President Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Source)

5) "Considering the dire circumstances that we have in New Orleans, virtually a city that has been destroyed, things are going relatively well." –FEMA Director Michael Brown, Sept. 1, 2005 (Source)

6) "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." –President Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown, while touring Hurricane-ravaged Mississippi, Sept. 2, 2005 (Source)

7) "I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the convention center who don't have food and water." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, on NPR's "All Things Considered," Sept. 1, 2005 (Source)

8) "Well, I think if you look at what actually happened, I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers and I saw headlines, 'New Orleans Dodged the Bullet.' Because if you recall, the storm moved to the east and then continued on and appeared to pass with considerable damage but nothing worse." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, blaming media coverage for his failings, "Meet the Press," Sept. 4, 2005 (Source)

9) "I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving.” –Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), Sept. 6, 2005 (Source)

10) "You simply get chills every time you see these poor individuals...many of these people, almost all of them that we see are so poor and they are so black, and this is going to raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold." –CNN's Wolf Blitzer, on New Orleans' hurricane evacuees, Sept. 1, 2005 (Source)

11) "What didn't go right?'" –President Bush, as quoted by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), after she urged him to fire FEMA Director Michael Brown "because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right" in the Hurricane Katrina relief effort (Source)

12) "Now tell me the truth boys, is this kind of fun?" –House Majority Leader Tom Delay (R-TX), to three young hurricane evacuees from New Orleans at the Astrodome in Houston (Source)

13) "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did." –Rep. Richard Baker (R-LA) to lobbyists, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal (Source)

14) "Louisiana is a city that is largely under water." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, news conference, Sept. 3, 2005 (Source)

15) "I also want to encourage anybody who was affected by Hurricane Corina to make sure their children are in school." –First Lady Laura Bush, twice referring to a "Hurricane Corina" while speaking to children and parents in South Haven, Mississippi, Sept. 8, 2005 (Source)

16) "It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground." –President Bush, turning to his aides while surveying Hurricane Katrina flood damage from Air Force One, Aug. 31, 2005 (Source)

17) "I believe the town where I used to come – from Houston, Texas, to enjoy myself, occasionally too much – will be that very same town, that it will be a better place to come to." –President Bush, on the tarmac at the New Orleans airport, Sept. 2, 2005 (Source)

18) "Last night, we showed you the full force of a superpower government going to the rescue." –MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Sept. 1, 2005 (Source)

19) "You know I talked to Haley Barbour, the governor of Mississippi yesterday because some people were saying, 'Well, if you hadn't sent your National Guard to Iraq, we here in Mississippi would be better off.' He told me 'I've been out in the field every single day, hour, for four days and no one, not one single mention of the word Iraq.' Now where does that come from? Where does that story come from if the governor is not picking up one word about it? I don't know. I can use my imagination." –Former President George Bush, who can give his imagination a rest, interview with CNN’s Larry King, Sept. 5, 2005 (Source)

20) "We just learned of the convention center – we being the federal government – today." –FEMA Director Michael Brown, to ABC's Ted Koppel, Sept. 1, 2005, to which Koppel responded " Don't you guys watch television? Don't you guys listen to the radio? Our reporters have been reporting on it for more than just today." (Source)

21) "I don't want to alarm everybody that, you know, New Orleans is filling up like a bowl. That's just not happening." -Bill Lokey, FEMA's New Orleans coordinator, in a press briefing from Baton Rouge, Aug. 30, 2005 (Source)

22) "FEMA is not going to hesitate at all in this storm. We are not going to sit back and make this a bureaucratic process. We are going to move fast, we are going to move quick, and we are going to do whatever it takes to help disaster victims." --FEMA Director Michael Brown, Aug. 28, 2005 (Source)

23) "I don't make judgments about why people chose not to leave but, you know, there was a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans." –FEMA Director Michael Brown, arguing that the victims bear some responsibility, CNN interview, Sept. 1, 2005 (Source)

24) "I understand there are 10,000 people dead. It's terrible. It's tragic. But in a democracy of 300 million people, over years and years and years, these things happen." --GOP strategist Jack Burkman, on MSNBC's "Connected," Sept. 7, 2005 (Source)