BL's family evacuated out of America during 9/11

Hey with all the violence in America at the moment and the threat of terrorist attacks, even the family of Bin Laden didn't feel safe. Lucky that in the middle of a national crisis with the airports closed they could swing enough muscle to leave via their own plane.

www.sky.com... more on site....

Members of Osama bin Laden's family were allowed to fly out of the US shortly after the September 11 terror attacks, a senior official has said.

Even though American airspace had been shut down, the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.

Some 140 high ranking Saudi officials were also on the plane.

The revelations come from former White House counter-terrorism chief Richard Clarke.

Should have done us a favor and shot that plane down, seriously, let's say your brother was claiming responsibilty for killing 3000 people at once, and they know you had nothing to do with it, you don't think they'd let your leave? of course they would.

This was on the radio just this morning... (Strange that these topics seem to pop up around the same time across the world???? Like maybe a little social engineering, geared towards changing public opinion???)

Anyway, seems that less than 48 hours after the 911 attacks, the US government flew several dozen Saudi families out of the US back to Saudi Arabia, including several members of OBLs family.

This is very interesting considering the US airspace was still on complete lockdown, and even at that point they didnt have evidence that the hijackers were Saudi....

Hmmmm.... wonder why they didnt similarly evacuate high ranking Jordanians, Egyptians, ect?????

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
Should have done us a favor and shot that plane down, seriously, let's say your brother was claiming responsibilty for killing 3000 people at once, and they know you had nothing to do with it, you don't think they'd let your leave? of course they would.

Since when has Osama claimed responsibility for 9/11?

Originally posted by Total Enslavement

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
Should have done us a favor and shot that plane down, seriously, let's say your brother was claiming responsibilty for killing 3000 people at once, and they know you had nothing to do with it, you don't think they'd let your leave? of course they would.

Since when has Osama claimed responsibility for 9/11?

Since the day after the attacks, man. When he got on Al Jazeera, and started talking all kinds of crap to America, and promising more attacks.

Anyways, do you guys find it at all strange that a large number of Saudi nationals fled the country, and not a large group of Iraqi nationals?
Perhaps Bush attacked the wrong country. Or did he? I doubt it. he meant to attack Iraq, but not because of terrorism, my friends. You can guess why. Oil. Besides, I've read somewhere that there is documented proof that Saudi Arabia spends more money on terrorist organizations like Hamas, and the Party of God, than any other middle eastern country.

Originally posted by Loki

Originally posted by Total Enslavement

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
Should have done us a favor and shot that plane down, seriously, let's say your brother was claiming responsibilty for killing 3000 people at once, and they know you had nothing to do with it, you don't think they'd let your leave? of course they would.

Since when has Osama claimed responsibility for 9/11?

Since the day after the attacks, man. When he got on Al Jazeera, and started talking all kinds of crap to America, and promising more attacks.

No, you're wrong. He never once claimed responsibility for the attacks, as a matter a fact he claimed he wasn't responsible but praised the attack.

There is a difference.

Yes he did claim responsibility, it's been how long? 2 years since he did.


where have you been?

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
Yes he did claim responsibility, it's been how long? 2 years since he did.


where have you been?

Yeah, Ummm.. Ok, whatever.

I wasn't responsible for that last post, but i praise it.

(IE, I sent my damned terrorists out to do it.) How can you sit there and tell me that. He is very much responsible for the attacks on 9/11. he may have had gov't backing, or whatever you want to believe, Illuminati, NWO, WTF ever, but at the core, the fingerprints all belong to OBL

They are used to me around here


Really, how can this guy say Osama DIDN'T claim responsibility for the attack? WOW

Originally posted by Shining Wizard
They are used to me around here

Really, how can this guy say Osama DIDN'T claim responsibility for the attack? WOW

"Bin Laden denies terror attacks and points finger at Jews"

www.ananova.com...

Sorry to ruin the integrity of your topic NetChicken. I just can't help myself when I see something like that.

Hey, did it ever occur to either of you, that the info. both of you received were from different sources offering different stories about BL?

I hate to repeat myself, but as I've said on 6 other 9/11 threads, Osama Bin Laden was always careful NOT to take any responsibility for the attacks of 9/11.

He certainly applauded them, but at no time has he ever claimed responsibility.

If you heard on some stupid television station's translation that he had, then you should complain to the programmers who have misled you.

That, or learn Arabic, and listen to the source material, so you can prove it to yourself.

Disinformation is not the objective of ATS.

Masked - good post

But its an old story - bein running on snopes since 9/11 - but updated it looks like today

www.snopes.com...

however does anyone really understand the conplexities of arab extended families - I would suggest reading a (oh my god its on paper not the screen) Holy War Inc - an insightful and pretty accurate history of OBL and his family ties. I guess masked its a secondary source -- but few people like to look at primary - I do - I listen to shortwave and read what i can. Short of being on the ground its the best most can do.

OBL and 9/11..

Ok people.. lets start with facts..

What is OBL:s or Al-Qaedas connection to 9/11 WTC hit?

Lets see..

1) US gov claims that OBL and Al-Qaeda did it.
2) OBL and Al-Qaeda have not claimed that they did it.
3) US gov. claims to have evidence.
4) US gov. has not shown any evidence.
5) OBL and Al-Qaeda were hard pressed fighting in Afganistan with Taliban againts Northen alliance without much success after NA fighters stopped surrendering / changing sides.
6) Al-Qaeda and OBL are amateurs even while toying around with ak:s and rpg:s, hardly a terrorist masterminds.

Just wondering..

But if somebody has better info then please tell.

And i aint claiming that it (9/11) wasnt a terrorist act, im just wondering who actually did it. Gulf states / Saudi / Iraq / Egypt / Pakistan? or all these together? Their secret services.. or maybe Israel or NWO elements inside US / UK / West? But i am telling you one thing:

It wasnt Al-Qaeda!!! the bunch of clowns playing with ak:s and rpg:s..


Taken from: www.segag.org...

By DragonRider:

This was on the radio just this morning... (Strange that these topics seem to pop up around the same time across the world???? Like maybe a little social engineering, geared towards changing public opinion???)

Yip, this was in British newspapers yesterday morning even though it's been known for ages. One I read even mentioned the Caryle group and Bush and Bin laden's relations. They must have been feeling lucky.

Originally posted by dragonrider
Anyway, seems that less than 48 hours after the 911 attacks, the US government flew several dozen Saudi families out of the US back to Saudi Arabia, including several members of OBLs family.

This is very interesting considering the US airspace was still on complete lockdown, and even at that point [ithey didnt have evidence that the hijackers were Saudi....

The US government knows everything. When they told us what they new is not connected to when they knew it.

The only evidence on "who done it" was that the people on the plane went to Al Q traning camps. I don't think that they ever showed how they figured they went to an Al Q camp. I mean, how would they figure that out? Especially if they didn't know before the attacks and then 48 ours they know who did it and everything. They went through that much intel in 48 ours? They must of known before the attack!

[Edited on 5-9-2003 by TheManWithThePlan]

Originally posted by Silk
Masked - good post

But its an old story - bein running on snopes since 9/11 - but updated it looks like today

www.snopes.com...

An odd thing, that. Some of the site owners I follow for a chuckle, including Tom Tomorrow, have been concerned for www.snopes.com coverage. I have generally taken snopes with a grain of salt. If you can interpret the following better than me, and you know how the site was updated on the story, then you'll be able to help decipher this little conspiracy...



Debunking The Debunkers?

This is very strange. Yes, the cache has been deleted.

Tom Tomorrow has been all over this story and you can read about it here. It seems he's caught Snopes changing some things around on their site. And then the cache disappears. Hmmmm. . .

In the meantime The Agonist has sent this email to Google:

Dear Google,

Why did the cache of this page mysteriously disappear?

I am currently researching this whole episode of the bin Ladens dissappearance in the aftermath of 9/11. Snopes.com has changed their story and I would like to know where the previous cached version is. Did they request it be taken down? Can cached items be requested to be brought down?

Thank you,

Sean-Paul Kelley
Editor-In-Chief
The Agonist

And I have sent this email to Snopes.com:

Did you request google to remove this cached item?


If so, why? If not will you ask Google to put it back up?

Thank you,

Sean-Paul Kelley
Editor-In-Chief
The Agonist

This story about the bin Ladens is getting weirder and weirder.

Here is Google's policy on caching: "The "Cached" link will be missing for sites that have not been indexed, as well as for sites whose owners have requested we not cache their content."

UPDATE: Try this Google search and see what happens. You get a link to the Snopes page about the bin Laden flights. Look closely on the Google page and you see that they quote Snopes.com talking about Michael Moore. Notice also there is no cache for the page. (Yet, there was a cache of it yesterday.) Then click on the link and you'll see that there is no mention of Michael Moore on the page now. Clearly something is amiss here.

Here's how it looks on Google right now---file cached and saved in The Agonist/Annex.

UPDATE 2: Perhaps Google has changed the caching of Snopes.com. We manged to find a cache (after some serious hunting) and have posted it here. Note the rather large discrepencies between the September update and the March update.

( ed. The lesson here is that Google caching is still an inexact science to me. Perhaps we rushed to judge any nefarious conduct. That was not our intention. The original cache did disappear, however. )

UPDATE 3: Kynn at Shock and Awe has a round up on this.

UPDATE 4: Ed Heil comments. So does Metafilter and as always they have a conversation going on.

UPDATE 5: August Pollack has more. It is very interesting what he has to say as well: "according to a poster on Metafilter, via August, Snopes now has a metatag which prohibits Google caching." ( This is a direct quote from Tom Tomorrow.)

www.agonist.org...

Double post.

Stupid machine.

Also just noticed the message "Your last post was less than 45 seconds ago" - it used to refer to 60 seconds ago. Well done Gazrok if your lobbying had ought to do with this!

[Edited on 7-9-2003 by MaskedAvatar]

Triple Post.

Stupid machine.

[Edited on 7-9-2003 by MaskedAvatar]