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POLITICS: New Orleans mayor fears CIA to take him out

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 04:13 AM
Besides... local assassination is the NSA's job. CIA tries not to meddle in domestic affairs. The FBI kinda pokes at them when they do. With big pointy sticks.

Now... as far as the CIA having operatives at the NSA... that's another matter.

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 04:21 AM
I've found this:

New Orleans, Louisiana (AHN) - Apparently suffering from stress and a bit of paranoia, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin tells CNN Saturday night that he believes the CIA will "wipe him out" after his criticism of President Bush and the Federal Government in response to Hurricane Katrina.

Mayor Nagin seemed to have calmed down after meeting with President Bush for two hours on Friday but became stressed again over the current situation still unfolding in his city.

The Mayor has come under serious scrutiny and criticism in the last 72 hours after photos of parking lots filled with school buses that were sitting in a foot of water were released on the Internet. Many critics of the Mayor and Gov. Blanco say the buses could have saved an estimated 20,000 people if they had been used for emergency evacuations which President Bush had declared two days before Katrina hit.

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 04:28 AM

Originally posted by billybob
i think he's giving himself a little life insurance. he feels he's said too much(listen to the audio[

Why would they bother??? As I have said before there is plenty of blame to go around here from top to bottom. The mayor despite his public performance and the gov of LA should be at the front of the line here, but they will have alot of company with them.

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 04:43 AM

Originally posted by billybob
i think he's giving himself a little life insurance. ...... by publicly "joking" that the cia is going to off him, 'cause he's said too much', he will be harder to off while he's still in the public eye.

This was my "gut reaction". Whether he has real concerns or is just sufferring from exhaustion, this would be the only mitivation for saying this publicly either seriously or tingue in cheek.

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 05:18 AM
why would the CIA wanna kill the mayor?? Because he found out about the HAARP weather influence which created Hurricane Katrina???? Is that what you're all saying??

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 05:42 AM
Of couse, I would have no way of knowing, but I have a gut feeling that maybe the Mayor's fears are real. And should this be the case, I would find it pretty hard to put anything past the CIA.

Or any other Government agency for that matter. Just look at their track records.

I mean, the President himself hasn't exactly shown the type of behavior that a leader of the free world ought to display to the public, so what kind of an example is that for those who work for him? Not to mention those who don't. But, especially if one is a CIA undercover operative. They do have a "license to kill", and always have, don't they?

Suppose the Mayor has something on one of them, or on Bush, or is just onto something the government is doing or planning to do, which they don't want him knowing about, much less telling anyone about? Or just about anything of that nature? And it doesn't necessarily even have to have anything to do with Katrina, either. With the state that the city of New Orleans is in at the present time, if the CIA does want to have him "disappear", for whatever reason, now would be a perfect time. And since they're undercover, who would ever be able to prove what exactly did or did not happen to the Mayor, were he to disappear.

After all, it is obvious and understandably so, that he is an exhausted, frustrated Mayor of a recently unique and famous, but now suddenly doomed and drowning city. No one is going to examine the CIA very closely.

IMO, however, he is not crazy. I have heard him speak several times on TV and I have listened to the audio tape (Podcast provided here by ATS) and it sounds to me that he is very much in his right mind, and he doesn't hesitate to speak it, which he shouldn't. No one should hesitate to speak their mind. Even the Mayor of New Orleans.

Of course he's exhausted, frustrated and probably feels pretty helpless right now. But he sounds sane enough. Sane enough to not just say something like that out of the blue, not as "Dark Humor", and not as a "jab" at the Feds. He has already made plenty of jabs at them, and has not minced words about it either. So, really, why else would the man make a remark like that - especially twice! if it were not a genuine concern to him? Perhaps in hopes that his public remarks will be taken seriously enough, that it will insure his survival which for whatever reason, he might feel is in jeopardy?

Just a couple of thoughts.......

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:57 AM
If Nagin is going to kick up a fuss and continue to lambast the federal government and FEMA then couldnt that be construed as a national security issue by the feds? If Nagin is going to go on a mission and show that the Emperor has no clothes, and people will listen to him then doesnt than constitute a threat?

Didnt President Bush recently lift the ban on CIA assassinations? Why do people presume to know more about this than Nagin himself?

I see it as a continuation of Nagin's crusade against the Feds and a bit of insurance should anything untoward happen.

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 07:13 AM

Originally posted by subz

Didnt President Bush recently lift the ban on CIA assassinations? Why do people presume to know more about this than Nagin himself?

I don't know that people are presuming to know more about this than Nagin. It seems to me that everyone here is just trying to make somewhat of educated guesses. It's just that Nagin is not here right now in this conversation.

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 10:12 AM

The link above is to Nagin's now-famous online interview. One thing I noticed is that he says in the interview (paraphrasing):

"The thing I don't understand is how they (FEMA and HomeSec) allowed pumping station six to go under water, which [...] killed more people"

...I cannot tell if this means there were FEMA/HomeSec people on site as the pumping station went under water. I wonder what it is that he meant, and if he did see something conspiritorial, then yes, he could be voicing his fears jokingly so as to insure his safety a bit.

Regardless of his intent with this comment, there will be conspiracy folks who can only see purposeful, willful negligence in regard to FEMA's actions in NOLA. The portion of the interview I am talking about does indeed sound as if Nagin saw the pumps die and somehow FEMA/HomeSec allowed it to happen. Listen for yourself.

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posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 10:27 AM
Maybe Nagin is saying the CIA is going to 'take him out' the way Pat Robertson said he really intended after changing the original version of his verbal hit on Hugo Chavez.

I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him.

Or perhaps Nagin just means 'take out' as in a soda and maybe a movie. Or possibly the man just had no sleep in a week, paranoid, exhausted, emotionally drained.

Then there is always the possibility that he feared for his life because he dared put the Feds on the line in front of the whole world to see.

I think at the point he started yelling and swearing he wasn't really thinking about his career anymore. I kinda like that about him.

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 11:31 AM
I was just thinking, maybe Pat had given him a 'heads up' on the idea of the CIA coming after him....and

This is a conspiricy site after all, many members would not hesitate to round up a list of public officials that they think might have been 'taken out' by the CIA....(and not for as soda.)

On the other hand,
From listening to that interview, it sounds like pumping station six was a water pumping facility, either for pumping out flood water, or pumping in fresh water. While an important facility to the people of NO, probably not something that would have needed any 'help' being put out of commission, the storm would have taken care of that.......if he's on the CIA's short list now, it's probably because of his outspokeness.

And I totally get the possiblilty of 'dark humor'....that's when you have to laugh to keep from crying.....or screaming.

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 12:12 PM
IF anything were to happen to the Mayor, it will be several or more years and it will be due to "suicide".

Nothing would happen anyway under bush's watch because he's trying to leave office on a high note, which probably wouldn't include a dead mayor and especially a black mayor.

Anyway, I'll just resate here that I agree he's a frustrated leader with responsibility and just animosity toward the also responsible feds as well as the entire tragedy. His comment was a passionate jab at the federal level organization of non-existent rescue and relief. The Convention Center (the "alternative" to the Dome) footage was truly horrific. Dead left where they were and children crying. People walking through neck high water and then arriving at nothing.

I think the people of N. Orleans who were trapped deserve some presidential praise for their overall patience and courage and humanity. I always felt that some of the kindest people in the world live in New Orleans and now also it appears some of the strongest. It's a place I hope eventually returns to some normality. It's probably second to none in the country for it's amazing culture. There is no place like it in the world. I always encourage all visitors to the US to travel there. I don't think I'm out of line saying this is a loss for the whole world.

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posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Dallas
I have listened to three of his press statements. The first before the disaster in which he was telling all to get out of town (N.O.).

The mayor of NO failed. He could have done a lot more yet he didn't.

He could have used all lanes in freeways to get people out of the cities, he could have used all school buses, and other ways of transportation to get those people that didn't have cars or a way to get out.

Originally posted by Dallas
The second where he indicated help was needed to evacute the less fortunate and the third how he felt he was not listened to after the first and second press interviews. This man, in my opinion is not crazy but desperate.

He could have done a lot more with the resources he had, yet he didn't.

Now he is crying and claiming that he did all that was possible...and that the CIA is probably going to try to take him out?......

He is trying to wash his hands from the blame that many people in NO didn't recieve the help needed to get out, he knows very well that blame was in large part because of him.

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posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 08:08 PM

That is twisting the chain of events as they happened. Your account is full of inaccuracies.

posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 08:13 PM
Agreed. Dunno, but seems to me the Mayor's been to the point about his people and getting them out. One thing that remains in my mind is that I don't recall free service to get the sick, poor and elderely out of NO before the mass exodus my main stream NO people and families?


posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 08:30 PM
I think when all is said and done , Gov. Blanco will figure prominently, followed by Pres. Bush and the Mayor Nagin will be absolved of any wrong doing.

It seems the Mayor waited in confidence on the Govenor's signal, and the President w/ all his resources(the only one who could have made the magic work) was out of the loop.

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