Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
I highly doubt that I am confusing anything, but I have
no doubt that you in essence not only are confused but presumptuous enough to jump to the conclusion that these very same 300 individuals will in fact
pay to rebuild New Orleans. It is not wise to presume to know how others will react, Catherder, and so I take from your misinterpreted and defensive
stances here that you would rather carve a fantasy from the reality unfolding before your very eyes. This is called denial.
You seem to be confusing the more well-to-do with the poor (or in NO's case the "po"). I am pretty sure that those 300 people will also be
part of the larger group of people who will pay to rebuild NO and surrounding areas.
Please... this isn't denial, it's the Mississippi. There is no fantasy on my end, there is just plain old boring common sense. I'm far from
defensive regarding this.
However you wish to spin your fantasy does not negate the fact that the Super 8 Motel crowd do not frequent the Ritz Carlton, nor does it
negate the fact that the aid was provided first and foremost to not those roaming through the feces; gas and oil infested waters looking for food,
shelter and clothing, but to those who were well surrounded by glitz, glamour and the smell of gold leaf and granite.
Bull#. These people were rescured on what, day five? Day six? How many tens of thousands were rescued before them? How many blacks were rescued before
them? 20,000? 25,000? Do you even know the population
percentages based on
race for the two most effected areas? I do, I went to the
Population Reference Bureau
and looked it up. In Orleans Parish, LA there are 125,591 whites and 302,041 blacks; in Harrison Country, MS there
are 138,692 whites and 39,984 blacks.
So, the two worst effected areas consists of 264,283 whites and 342,025 blacks -- 77,742 is not as much of a disparity as you assumed I bet? Lets
enlarge the area to include both Louisiana and Mississippi: population of LA, 4,338,020 (total white:2,799,224 - total black:1,422,273), total
population of MS 2,824,637 (total white:1,746,099 - total black:1,033,809). That's 4.53 million whites and 2.45 million blacks. (Or, more accurately,
6.98 million Americans.)
Holy smokes, it looks like there are 2 million more whites than blacks in these two states. I guess now the racial card is making even less sense.
Could it be a poverty issue and not a racial issue? Well, lets look at that as well. Percentage of population living below poverty line: The
national poverty rate for 2004 is 12.7% (up from 12.3% in 2003).
Individuals Below Poverty Line: LA 19.4%, Orleans Parish LA 23.2% - MS 19.9%, Harrison Cty MS 13.1%.
Families Below Poverty Line: LA 14.9%, Orleans Parish LA 14.5% - MS 16%, Harrison Cty MS 11.6%
From those numbers it appears that there are a lot more individuals at or below the poverty line in New Orleans. There also appears to be a higher
number of families in this area that are below the poverty line when compared to the entire USA. But what number is 23.2%? Well, around 103,000 people
living in New Orleans are at or below the poverty line. Does that mean they're being ignored or abandoned by the government because they're poor?
No, I don't think so. By that logic the federal government shouldn't have already released $10.5 billion in aid, they should have spend $10 billion
fixing the oil refineries and left the aid up to the Red Cross and other charities.
I think they're being rescued as fast as they can be rescued. Ground travel is almost impossible (still) over a huge area.
Air rescue is hindered by many power lines and many other near invisible obsticles.
I remove your parentheses on this because I find despicable the aside to which you subconsciously relegate the theft of drugs by
individuals with MD after their names. I want to be sure I drive my point home for you; It was theft! Looting! But not a soul within the media whom I
have heard has cast aspersions on this or placed it within the same category as those shown in video replay after video replay walking out of the
local grocery story with diapers; liquid and food.
And the fact that there were a couple doctors there is as much luck of the draw as it is an example of what segment of society stays in
It was theft and looting? It was liberating resources for survival. They didn't take any TV's they didn't take any weapons from a gun store, they
took some antibiotics and admitted to taking antiboitics from the store they pointedly named
-- sounds to me like people getting their hands on
some important materials in a desperate time of need. I wouldn't doubt some of them could send the store's head office their credit card to cover
the costs of what they took. I completley doubt those that looted guns and televisions want anyone
knowing who they are, nor would they freely
admit to taking something (or "looting" something) like those in that hotel freely admitted to. There is a huge
difference and it has nothing
to do with race.
No I do not, and do you not see that since Katrina's impact was far worse than Charlie that the US government's
reponse to the two are unequal? How can you possibly miss this? There is no excuse whatsoever for the delay in assistance by FEMA. None! I sat there
on Wednesday and Thursday with several other individuals watching various reports from around the globe and asked questions that were not even posed
by the media until Friday, such as; how is it possible that the US war machine can fight a war with insurgents using shoulder guided missiles in Iraq
but declare the city of New Orleans unsafe because of small arms fire? How is it possible that they can rally 150,000 troops across a country the size
of California but cannot place their own country's national guardsmen in state within 3 days? How is it possible that hundreds of thousands of food
packets can be flown and dropped in Afghanistan and Iraq but the citizens of New Orleans can only long for such nourishment? The answer to me is
becoming obvious when considering all those politicians and news reporters who stated: " Where are all the FEMA respond4rs that are supposed to be
here, I see none." They were there, they were just busy rescuing the wealthier more apt to be politically supportive crowd.
As for the rest of your post, do you really think the Florida hurricane is comparable to the ten feet of water covering an area comparable to
the entire state of Florida?
Do you truely think that the food packets dropped in Iraq or Afghanistan were delivered on 24-48 hours notice? Do you actually think that there was
not months of planning beforehand? Do you sincerely believe that there should be a warehouse with over ten million food packets ready to go on a
moment's notice, complete with aircraft on standby to deliver them, in the USA? Who would pay for such a thing? Is there such a thing in Canada? The
UK? France? Germany? Japan? Australia? China? How often would those food packets have to be thrown out and replaced?
Did you know?
Feeding – The Red Cross
is working closely with several partners,
including the Southern Baptist Convention, the Adventists and Second Harvest to provide emergency food to survivors and responders. In coordination
with the Southern Baptists, preparations are underway to serve nearly 500,000 hot meals each day.
Nearly 137,600 meals have been served in the last 24 hours.
Are you beginning to grasp the size of what would be required to be "prepared" for such a disaster?
The number of food packets dropped in Afghanistan ($320 million worth of aid of which around 10% was food drops over the span of 24 months) and Iraq
is not as many as you have been led to believe. It was as much a publicity stunt to distract Americans at home from the reality of troop deaths as it
was to actually feed anyone.
Could the US military have dropped food packets on New Orleans and surrounding area? Yes, they probably could have. Did the military have these drop
packets available to drop? It doesn't appear that they did or they more than likely would have (and they couldn't run out to WalMart and pick up a
million of them over night).
But wait, maybe they did bring food and supplies to New Orleans. Or perhaps the 17.1 million MREs (Meals Ready to Eat), 5 million pounds of ice and
369 generators dispatched on 1800 trucks
Department of Transportation don't count?
How was it possible Catherder, that an organization which for 4 years has been touted to the public as being the elite and most necessary
national emergency force can be so unprepared for an event which was 4 days in the making?
That is a fairly simple answer inside a complex problem, one you'd know if you followed your news closer. FEMA was absorbed by the office of Homeland
Defense. FEMA's budget was cut
, and many of it's departments were eliminated
(including parts of it's disaster response
). The push to create a "safer
homeland" free from terrorism (or close to it) came with a cost. Other less demanding issues were not as well funded and in some cases not given the
level of importance they should have been given. The administrators and officials inside
have been screaming bloody murder over their budget cuts and department eliminations for more than three years. Didn't you know this?
But wait, isn't this (ATS) the place where so many people claim FEMA is some sort of nasty government black ops group and not actually an
organization that responds to emergencies such as a national disaster? I guess some people here sure have egg on their faces now...
FEMA isn't touted as anything elite (at least outside of conspiracy groups it's not). It's a group of government and civilian employees who respond
to disasters within the USA and her territories. If you knew anyone that had been helped by FEMA in the past you'd know that they're a pretty darn
nice thing to have when you need it most. FEMA has been spending over $500 million
dollars a day
in their Katrina disaster response efforts (does that mean their $2.5 billion budget ran out a couple days ago?). At that spending
rate, how long will the additional $10 billion
already sent by Washington last? (20 days? A
I suppose mother nature decided to flex her own muscles and show just how easily she can reduce even the most powerful to the very status of
their devastated enemies. The parallels are astounding, but that is another topic.
Actually, mother nature has brought less than 2% of the nation to it's knees, and will directly effect the other 98% through increased gas prices and
possibly increased taxes (mind you the USA loves to simply run in debt mode so it might not effect tax payers for a generation or two). It would take
a lot more than a hurricane to bring the US to it's knees. This disaster will only make the US stronger; it will only serve to make the governments
(local, state and federal) more prepared for future disasters and it will serve to teach the citizens of the US to be better prepared. The US isn't
smashed into 3rd world status, a few cities in two states are. That can and will be fixed, you don't give Americans enough credit.
The Bush Administration, however, is found sorely lacking in the way they managed FEMA and the Department of Homeland Defence. That is a fact that
nobody can dispute.