Originally posted by groingrinder
Anybody else notice that in the pictures in the first post that Bush has the wrong end of the phone up to his ear?? That explains right there why he is out of the loop.

With all honesty, I couldn't help myself when I saw that pic.

Originally posted by SpittinCobra


They where not taken care of till yesterday, and still thousands are still with out food. Im not even talking about the people in thier houses, im talking about people on I/10 that see buses and food go past them.

[edit on 3-9-2005 by SpittinCobra]

And you're absolutely right, but it is also a UGE undertaking, rescues like this take time to pprepar, you have to gather people, material, fund, its sad but the truth is that it takes time, it doesnt happen in seconds.

Atempts of rescue were made earlier, but they got shot at, so that only delayed things...Hopefully now, all seems to be taken care in a orderly way.

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Hopefully now, all seems to be taken care in a orderly way.

Only because the rescue effort only really BEGAN last night. They had days of warning before landfall.....Again, pure nonsense. Those responsible for these failures WANT you to believe the things you say...

WAKE UP FOLKS!!! Don't condone this governmental incompetency.

EDIT: Moreover, I'd like to point out that if the issue were truly a logistical one, the pinheads at the feds wouldn't be advancing this feeble "Posse Comitatus" argument and solely blaming the governor of Louisiana.

[edit on 3-9-2005 by loam]

Originally posted by loam

WAKE UP FOLKS!!! Don't condone this governmental incompetency.

[edit on 3-9-2005 by loam]

What would you hae donne ?

All of this just makes me and many others wonder how differently the FEMA response would have been
if major cities like Washington D.C., New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami or exclusive Palm Beach would have suffered the same kind of natural disaster?

Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree

All of this just makes me and many others wonder how differently the FEMA response would have been
if major cities like Washington D.C., New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami or exclusive Palm Beach would have suffered the same kind of natural disaster?

Anywhere else on the planet would have gotten a better response becuase they have better elected officials. The mayor of NO is almost as incompident as the Govenor of Louisiana.

Disaster planning starts at home.

On election day the very people being rescued on national TV were driven to and from the polls in one day...........pretty good mass transit for POWER just none to save their lives..........

Failure in NO or LA is a local issue for LOCAL problems.....

FredT...thank you for the "RED BADGE of HONOR"..........

PS...good planning from good officials shows up in Texas. The astrodome was prepared in 12 hours............Bush, Fema, and everyone else is still the same.......difference.......LOCAL Officials..........

Wiseman once said "Leadership is ACTION not a position".

[edit on 4-9-2005 by SkepticSanity]

Originally posted by SkepticSanity
I am very, very familiar with NO area. Bill O'Reilly is just plan stupid.

NO has been a center of evil and coruption since the French built it where the local indians wouldn't live.

BLAME the people themselves for electing a parade of theives that stole billions of dollars then turned around and handed a very small percentage to the local poor, and drug addicts, etc, etc.

It is moronic stupidity to rely on any government in a disaster spanning 90,000 square miles. Too many people with there hands out when they spend their welfare checks on "Crack".

It is no coincident that this storm happened with the timing it has. This very weekend in NO was to be "Decadent" weekend....a GAY/Lesbian celecration of homosexual EVIL.

YES, GOD has punished NO for its centuries of evil.......New Orleans is/was modern day Sodom!!!!!!

Flamers be damned.

People like you make me sick. This had nothing to do with god and every thing to do with humans. WE CAUSED THIS!!! We pollute this planet so much that it is trying to balance it's self out. The sea levels have risen because of global warming and their is a hole in the ozone layer. Get a clue and stop using "your" god as an scapegoat. It makes your little ego feel better that innocent people died in the name of GODS wrath.

Originally posted by loam
§ 5192. Federal emergency assistance {Sec. 502}

a. Specified

In any emergency, the President may--

1. direct any Federal agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize its authorities and the resources granted to it under Federal law (including personnel, equipment, supplies, facilities, and managerial, technical and advisory services) in support of State and local emergency assistance efforts to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, and lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe;

2. coordinate all disaster relief assistance (including voluntary assistance) provided by Federal agencies, private organizations, and State and local governments;

3. provide technical and advisory assistance to affected State and local governments for--
A. the performance of essential community services;
B. issuance of warnings of risks or hazards;
C. public health and safety information, including dissemination of such information;
D. provision of health and safety measures; and
E. management, control, and reduction of immediate threats to public health and safety;

4. provide emergency assistance through Federal agencies;

5. remove debris in accordance with the terms and conditions of section 407 [42 U.S.C. § 5173];

6. provide assistance in accordance with section 408 [42 U.S.C. § 5174]; and [(Pub.L. 106-390, § 206(b), October 30, 2000)]

7. assist State and local governments in the distribution of medicine, food, and other consumable supplies, and emergency assistance.


b. General

Whenever the Federal assistance provided under subsection (a) with respect to an emergency is inadequate, the President may also provide assistance with respect to efforts to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, and lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe.

Notice here a couple of things:

The language is about the president "providing assistance."

He is allowed to coordinate the relief efforts of federal agencies. There is no language about him striking out on his own, or federalizing the state actors.

It seems to be true from what I've seen that LA gov didn't "beg" for federal intervention. "States' Rights" is still a rallying cry in the deep south. Loam mentioned the use of federal troops during the civil rights struggle. Every time, the President threatened to halt federal dollars to the state unless that governor begged for 'assistance." Remember the image of the governor standing in the door of the Little Rock High school, and then the next week, calling out the national guard???


While in law enforcement, I participated in two "disasters." One was a flood. The second was a toxic waste spill of a railroad car in a populated area. In both cases, the Feds didn't come in until specifically asked. In the toxic waste spill which happened on federal (railroad) property they didn't show up until the emergency response was over. And then, they passed out "report cards" complete with lists of our mistakes.

When asked why, they pointed to Southern (and specifically texan) attitudes against the USGOV stemming from the "Branch Davidian" bungle, as well as the Murrah building bomb.

I think the whole Murrah building thing was a watershed for federal employees (I expect Katrina will be another). The whole militia movement put a definite scare into them, as has this year's assasination of federal judges and one judge's family.

My dealings with FEMA/FBI/CD after the Murrah Building was to notice at what pains they were to show themselves as "no longer" being heavy-handed globalist goons.

Look at the FEMA terrorism preparedness webpage, and you'll see the same, "we're not taking over the country" language.

Not that any of this mitigates anybody's guilt. But it might explain some of their motivations, and specific pitfalls they wanted to avoid.

Of course, all of that is irrelevant in the face of the "Reign of Terror" career-bloodbath we will see in Washington this winter, as anyone who was a federal employee is tarred and feathered for this fiasco.

I personally am looking forward to the Soviet-style show trials in front of Congress. Who will be cast as Robespierre?

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
Not that any of this mitigates anybody's guilt. But it might explain some of their motivations, and specific pitfalls they wanted to avoid.

Yet the scale and compelling nature of this disaster compared to the examples you gave are indeed VERY different. Would you not agree? How many would have honestly raised the specter of excessive federal power if they had arrived immediately?

Originally posted by groingrinder
Anybody else notice that in the pictures in the first post that Bush has the wrong end of the phone up to his ear?? That explains right there why he is out of the loop.

ROTFL. I am sure that picture is doctored but I do know what I heard with my own ears when he was trying to express agreements the 3 affected states had undertaken with others for policing...he referred to to the 3 states as having"compacts" with the others.

Originally posted by loam

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
Not that any of this mitigates anybody's guilt. But it might explain some of their motivations, and specific pitfalls they wanted to avoid.

Yet the scale and compelling nature of this disaster compared to the examples you gave are indeed VERY different. Would you not agree? How many would have honestly raised the specter of excessive federal power if they had arrived immediately?

The US goverment is being laughed at by hole the world, Fema gets billions of dollars and their act was a joke, even bush has admitted that., because everyone noticed.
US policy is a joke and everyone except some dumbass patriots with a cloaded mind see that.

The US maybe rich in resources but poor is so many ways.