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Topic started on 2-9-2005 @ 03:51 PM by 12 12 2012
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SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) -- The United States is poised to produce plutonium-238 for the first time since the end of the Cold War but it will be used
for space missions, not weapons, officials said this week.
www.cnn.com...
All well and good until one goes BOOM in low Earth atmosphere. Still, all in all, I suppose a good way to power space vehicles. What does everyone
else here think?
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reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 03:53 PM by 12 12 2012
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I found these facts while researching Plutonium-238. Facts from NPR (link provided)
Facts About Plutonium
· Plutonium in its pure form is a radioactive material about twice as dense as lead. Essentially all the plutonium on the planet is man-made, created
over the last six decades through fissionable materials. Several plutonium isotopes exist, all of which are radioactive.
· Plutonium-238 has been described as 280 times more radioactive than the isotope plutonium-239, the type used to make atomic bombs.
· According to the Department of Energy, plutonium only poses a health hazard if it is taken into the body. Inhalation poses the highest risk. When
inhaled, a significant fraction of plutonium moves from the lungs through the blood to other organs. Cancer resulting from radiation is the main
health risk.
www.npr.org...
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reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 03:57 PM by 12 12 2012
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A view of radioactive waste inside a "hot cell" at Idaho National Laboratory. The room is too radioactive for human habitation; operators use
mechanical arms to handle items inside. Liquid between the panes of glass in this window blocks radiation.
(courtesy of Martin Kaste, NPR)
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reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 08:05 PM by spacedoubt
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Good research there..
Isn't this how the Voyagers were powered, RTG's?
Both of which are still functioning after all these decades..
If we decide to venture out past Mars..This is the only way to go currently.
One thing in the article bothered me though..Idaho wants to make sure the waste is moved out of state. Which really means into MY state
LOL..Nevada..
I need to read more on this..But right now, I THINK I am for it..
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reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 08:35 PM by jra
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Originally posted by 12 12 2012
All well and good until one goes BOOM in low Earth atmosphere. Still, all in all, I suppose a good way to power space vehicles. What does everyone
else here think? 
Just because it's nuclear powered, doesn't mean it will explode like a nuclear bomb if something bad happens, as far as I know. I think the worst
thing that could happen would be a meltdown. But yes, I do think an excellent way to power space ships. The US navy uses a lot of nuclear powered
ships. It seems logical to start using them in space too.
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reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 10:10 PM by 11undercover11
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Yeah not bad way to power spaces ships. But what is the leak durind the flight and if some how the astronauts inhalate it they gonna have some serious
damages to there body. And imagine if the same thing happen that with Colombia.... all that radiation.
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reply posted on 3-9-2005 @ 02:19 AM by NWguy83
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Plutonium is the worst thing man has ever produced. Uranium is a little better though.
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reply posted on 3-9-2005 @ 02:40 AM by Astronomer68
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12 12 2012 - It isn't possible for one to go boom. It is almost a vanishingly small probability that even if an isotope powered satellite blew up or
crashed to Earth that any of the plutonium would get scattered or escape confinement. The technology behind plutonium powered satellites goes back
many years. It is very mature, robust and safe technology, that is needed for systems going where sunlight is weak and where batteries would not
last, or be powerful enough.
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reply posted on 3-9-2005 @ 04:39 AM by The Director
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would such a craft be able to accelerate quickly?
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reply posted on 3-9-2005 @ 04:46 AM by spacedoubt
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The Director,
The nuclear power is not used for acceleration, in this case.
Thats all done with your "standard" chemical rocket.
The plutonium is used to produce heat through radioactive decay...Which is then converted to electrical power..( I think by way of devices called
thermocouples).
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reply posted on 3-9-2005 @ 02:29 PM by The Director
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Ah I see. Thanks
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reply posted on 3-9-2005 @ 04:44 PM by E_T
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Originally posted by jra
Just because it's nuclear powered, doesn't mean it will explode like a nuclear bomb if something bad happens, as far as I know. I think the worst
thing that could happen would be a meltdown. But yes, I do think an excellent way to power space ships. The US navy uses a lot of nuclear powered
ships. It seems logical to start using them in space too.  Wrong, this doesn't have anything to do with nuclear reactors.
RTGs are based to heat released by natural decaying of some radioactive element. And there's no way they could "meltdown", radioactive
content has sub-critical density which prevents any chain reaction.
But actually these could be also "used" in propulsion, ion thrusters are much more effective compared to chemical reaction rockets which use
propellant very sparingly. (couple kilograms is enough for months)
Unlike chemical rockets ion thrusters use electric field to accelerate small amount of ions to very high speeds which gives much better specific
impulse, this means they require electricity to work and that's where RTG has its good points: it produces electricity without sunlight. Combined
with RTG's continuous electricity output ion thrusters would be very effective in probes send to outer solar system... they would be also much more
capable reaching farther planets without using gravitational slingshot required by chemical rocket propelled probes.
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reply posted on 10-9-2005 @ 09:56 PM by tiddly54
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ya bet me to it E_T
although from this article it sounded as if it was to be used as a power plant, not propulsion
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reply posted on 10-9-2005 @ 10:19 PM by ShadowXIX
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These things are much safer then nuclear reactors as E_T explained. But putting nuclear reactors might be the way to go in the future. Nuclear energy
is just so much more powerful for its size then any chemical rocket. Even better would be a nuclear fusion system.
"A propulsion system using nuclear fusion would be 10 million times more powerful than chemical rockets and would emit less radiation."
Nobody has been able to get a gain of energy out of fusion so far though, so that might be a long way off.
Also if we ever want to see if theres any life in the ocean on Europa then
we will have to have some type of nuclear reactor on the probe. Its really the only way we could melt through the miles of ice.
www.bbc.co.uk...
ght/nuclearpower.shtml
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