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NEWS: Shoot-to-kill orders for New Orleans

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posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 12:45 AM
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Nothing is being mentioned on the Main American news Feeds but it is all over everywhere else..


Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco warned rioters and looters late on Thursday that National Guard troops were under her orders to "shoot and kill" if needed to restore order.

"These troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will."
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Top officials have confirmed that the storm killed thousands of people and have made a desperate plea for help to restore order to New Orleans and the surrounding region.

"Three hundred of the Arkansas National Guard have landed in the city of New Orleans," Ms Blanco said.

"These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well trained, experienced, battle-tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets.

"They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded.

"These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will."

Colonel Henry Whitehorn of the Louisiana State Police said the law and order situation in the city was "bad".

But he said anarchic conditions around the Superdome stadium and central business district where up to 20,000 refugees had been sheltering were "stabilising".

He admitted that a number of police officers who had lost everything in flooding after Hurricane Katrina had handed in their badges, unwilling to take the fight to looters.
ABC Australia


Its sad that it has come to this, before the storm got bad there should have been trucks and buses and supplies lined up ready to go in as soon as the weather cleared. It didnt happen instead there was this huge mess... I only hope that lessons are learned by all this on just how to handle such emergencies.




posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 12:48 AM
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Murdering poor, dazed & confused, minorities (98% of tv coverage) will only lead to more problems. I'd like for the news to display on tvs young men being shot down by police and the military. I can almost guarantee civil disobedience in other communities across the country.

And to those preeching for such a practice should ask themselves is the media (COPS, daily news, rap) portrayal in the past of minorities playing any impact on their approval of this action.

I completely understand self-defense of yourself or others in an actual situation. Attempt to disarm, else you are just another thug.

[edit on 9/2/2005 by swintersVT]



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 12:53 AM
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White, Black, green, or purple.......if they are are part of the problem, they must be stopped now BEFORE it gets worse. You can not save people while being shot at.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 12:57 AM
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Is this what society has come to? Shooting your own citizens and people? What is this going to do to the minds of battle hardened troops who are now asked to shoot their own people? I am sure we could shoot darts that make em fall asleep and then arrest them instead of killing or culling people. This is so wrong, they are human beings.


fresh back from Iraq, well trained, experienced, battle-tested


So now its war against the people?

[edit on 2-9-2005 by Mayet]

[edit on 2-9-2005 by Mayet]



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 12:58 AM
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posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 01:01 AM
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Just watch this page every so often for updates

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posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by soficrow



In three days they manage to deploy plenty of firepower but little food and water?




Makes ya wondah, don' it?

Good catch Gools.


You have got to be kidding.
How are you going to feed ANYONE, when there are human cockroaches with guns roaming the streets?
You can't land a chopper, or ever hover in some places withut fear of beiing overwhelmed by these armed rats.
Rescue teams are fearing for their own lives..

This is a good move..order will be restored..
This gang style violence has to be disabled.
THEN, only then, will people be fed, clothed, rescued.

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posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 01:27 AM
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Police Shoot At Tourists


Frightened Japanese, European and American tourists say police fired over their heads to end their attempt to leave New Orleans.

Stranded since Hurricane Katrina hit the city on Monday, the 200 tourists were thrown out of their hotel on Thursday morning and said they were confronted by police as they attempted to get to buses to take them to safety.

Turned back to the centre of New Orleans, where looters were still roaming the lawless streets, the tourists huddled together on their suitcases under a pavilion next to the Mississippi River.

The hotel in the French Quarter told the tourists to leave as their safety could no longer be guaranteed.

The tourists saidpolice gave them conflicting information.

At one stage they were told to head to the Superdome arena or the city's convention centre, where deadly shootings and rapes have been reported among thousands of refugees.

Later, the tourists were told to make their way to a highway overpass where buses would take them to safety
www.abc.net.au...


There will be more stories like this one I have no doubt.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 01:30 AM
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I imagine, if this and true and goes through, that it will cause unrest in the rest of the country. Think of the rodney king riots etc.

May not be the same situations, but it could have the same results.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 01:37 AM
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Hey, if Tony Blair can get away with it, then *shoot-to-kill* sounds like just the trick to handle such an unwanted and messy burden as NO.

Besides, if any inconvenient filming by the media starts taking place, I'm sure those *shoot-to-kill* orders will also allow soldiers to target *any* individuals seen carrying stuff that could be mistaken for guns...



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 01:40 AM
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This is an extreme circumstance and order must be restored. Those wishing for help, food, water should get it by all means necessary. Those wishing to profit via looting anything besides food/water and healthcare items, or disrupting the rescue/help of others should be eliminated by all means necessary.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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This is crazy, I don't know what happaning over there anymore.
I just heard about this on the radio. Martial Law and now they can kill who ever they feel is doing anything illegal.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 02:09 AM
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Once you splat a few of these bastards that want to profit from the suffering of others the looting will stop.
Sure the food should be recovered and the people should take what they need to survive, but those that want a new TV or want to rob and burn a jewlery store for personal gain, those should be shot on sight.

This is an emergency situation and it's time to clean house so that the people that need help can be assisted.

I don't care what your skin colour is if your creating a problem in an emergency like this, you should be removed with a bullet to the head for the greater good of those that are trying to solve the problem.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 02:27 AM
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Solution? Tell Bush Oil is in New Orleans, he will send thousands of troops there to find the WMDs, to spread democracy, so forth.

Proof of Bush taking money from New Orleans/Lousianna

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posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 02:34 AM
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I do agree that order needs to be restored, etc., and so it should be done. The looting doesn't really matter in the big scope of things, but the shooting, raping and beating, etc., of other victims must be stopped.

But that's not the issue. I mean, consider for a minute how it is that FedEx can deliver a freaking box to practically anywhere on Earth in under 24 hours... and yet, somehow, America can't fly a few planes back and forth over the Gulf Coast dropping MRE's and bottled water for FOUR entire days after Hurricane Katrina??? (Hell, we'd have another Russian sub pulled out of the Arctic Sea in four days!)

It boggles the mind to think that FEMA officials and other government goons are actually saying that they never realized a hurricane could do this to New Orleans, and that the ensuing chaos and anarchy we are now seeing might occur as a result of such devastation --- no excuse. (And there's been plenty of research on NO, specifically.)

To me, the real issue is whether or not the situation in NO was allowed to deteriorate to this point, either actively or passively. Given that in the post 9-11 and post "Mission Accomplished" Iraq world we now live in, one would think that somebody somewhere in charge might have planned for a worst case scenario just like this. That's FEMA's freaking job!!!

Then again, these are the same Bozo-brains in charge that launched F-16's from Langley AFB (hours away) instead of from Andrews AFB (minutes away) on September 11th.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 02:36 AM
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NO! It is just property. Not even property of much lasting value - throwaways. It is not worth shooting people over. And the value of this property is a drop in the bucket compared with the damage at the hands of the hurricane.

Springer has it right - thank you for your sense of balance:

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People who are "looting" food to feed themselves and their families are welcome to it the food is going to spoil anyway and I would steal food to feed my beloved wife and children if there was no other way to do so GUARENTEED.

People (I use this term very lightly here) who are stealing TVs and stereos need to be immediately put into forced labor gathering up supplies and carrying off the dead until we can get them into court and try them.

ANIMALS who are shooting at the rescue workers need to be introduced to the USNavy S.E.A.L. Team hit squad which I imagine they will be before the week is out.
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While I'd hate to see the latter, it may be necessary as a last-ditch "triage" effort. If you can save 100 by shooting 1 - I have to agree, given the extreme conditions.

I am really impressed with the restraint of authorities so far. I do agree with others here that the violence could spread way beyond the disaster area if things are handled insensitively.

I have to agree that planning was horrible. As I understand it, the Superdome was never part of any disaster plan - it was a last-ditch brainstorm on the part of local officials. There were no disaster supplies stored there. Which begs the question - what plans WERE there for a disaster of this magnitude? I do think that the use of the Superdome saved lives. Imagine having to pluck this many people off of rooftops. The death toll would have been much higher, though perhaps those who would have died would have died much more peacefully...

Unfortunately, I fear that terror groups are watching this with great interest. If a city with such obvious vulnarability had no effective plan, imagine the chaos that they could create in a city with no significant natural disaster threat. We've diverted resources to a public-relations effort intended to placate the public. Devise an effective plan to handle natural disasters such as this, and then clone it to areas that don't face them to address terrorist threats as well. The hidden dividend is that if we did that, we would be too busy domestically to meddle in afairs overseas that are inviting terror on our soil.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 03:09 AM
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The governer of Louisiana said that up to 20,000 troops will be sent to NO. Here is my question... how can they afford to house and feed these troops but not the people who have been hungry and thirsty for days now?

My other question is how can people on this thread condone the killing of people just because they are carrying out televisions and jewellery?

Listen to yourselves?? Is this what America has become? Being OK in your heart to shoot people because they are panicking and not acting in a 'lawful' manner? Someone posted on here that we have to 'clean up our mess'. Someone else refered to people as animals. My God, how far have we come from a tolerant, great country?! NOt only do we condone the death of others in countries that have not hurt us, but now it is the death of our own.

You act like you don't know that people who stripped of their basic needs WILL turn into this... it is a normal survival state for most people to lose their minds - all senses will go on alert, laws and so called morality will not be a concern, because those things are meant for civilised society. These conditions have made it impossible to stand in line and wait patiently for the food to arrive, yet some people continue to do just that very thing. And sadly, those are the people who will die first.

CNN has been saying for the past few days, that for people who are still not evacuated this is living 'like animals'. If you are treated like one you become one - savage, hungry desperate. Are you saying that we just shoot then problem solved? Wen the problem is how the FED has handled the sitation in the first place. Where is the help? You can land troops but not bring enough water and food for everyone? People are angry and rightfully so. As I would be if I had been left behind like a animal. No, strike that, people care more about their pets. Like garbage, they have been left behind like garbage.

What would you or I do if found in similar situations? Well we can't say can we? We don't find ourselves poor, homeless, hungry and walking disoriented through the streets. Please, let's have some compassion. Or is that too much to ask?

Police and especially soldiers are human beings - not robots. They too can be racist (like all of us) and biased and what is to prevent them from killing anyone who looks threatening? To send the troops in to restore order is a dangerous thing and it showing the world that THIS is how we treat our own people. Yes, the people of NO happen to find themselves in a tragic situation. So we help them, we don't judge them. We don't pretend we are heroes who would never steal food or anything else because we are SO good during calm times and turning times of chaos and panic. Yet we come on here and self righteously say it is OK to shoot people because you are tired of watching the television and seeing the helpless people dying, more and more everyday. So am I... But this attitude is wrong. Arrest them, make them help clean up the city. Have them work together. Give them some food, tell them things will be alright. Get them out of the stagnant water and away from the dead bodies everywhere.

Any idea what will happen to the people who survive? How they will percieve their government after this event? It is a time bomb waiting to happen.

Stand up - wake yourself up - this is NOT how americans should treat americans who are in need.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 04:18 AM
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Hey...we have a few thousand refugees in my town. And our public is quite paranoid at the moment. That's just the way Lake Charles is.

I got calls from friends and family telling me that they were trying to do that here. A few carjackings and robberies...that sort of thing. I think people are just trying to build up a mass hysteria.

All I know is that our mayor and chief of police have come out and stated that all of that is bologna.

...Speaking of bologna...shouldn't it be spelled baloney?



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 04:20 AM
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It is a time of crisis. There is a war going on in New Orleans. That is not the time to play nanny. None of this "please don't take things that don't belong to you and play nice". This is a horrible time. Blast a few of these bottom feeders and bring the rest in order. Its just like the people in Iraq. This is the only thing that some of these people understand.



posted on Sep, 2 2005 @ 04:47 AM
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How is the rest of America feeling about this? Is there widespread unrest?



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