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Originally posted by plop
If prophet yawheh offered a million dollar for someone to prove general relativity, i dont think all the worlds scientists would gang up to make an appointment with him to demonstrate general relativity. Similarly with Randi, i dont expect any scientist researching paranormal phenomena to want to have anything to do with Randi.
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Randi's prize for demonstrating authentic psychic powers?
In this vein, it would be easy to demonstrate the conditions predicted by General Relativity. However, it is impossible to prove that General Relativity is the only explanation for the observed events it predicted.
With psychic ability, there is no surrounding theory that Randi can demand proof of, only phenomena to be demonstrated.
I don't see, then, how the above post is relevant.
Originally posted by Frosty
I still can't believe Randi won't show up on C2C to play along with Noory and Browne's game, I think he is just a wimp. [/sarcasm]
Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Until people who believe in Spaceship Guys and/or extrasensory perception can come up with good, solid evidence (bring in the Spaceship Guy for an interview, or submit your ESP powers to a panel of scientists and let them design the experiment), then Randi -- and the rest of the scientific establishment -- will continue to laugh at proponents of such things.
"I propose that true skepticism is called for today: neither the gullible acceptance of true belief nor the closed-minded rejection of the scoffer masquerading as the skeptic.
One should be skeptical of both the believers and the scoffers. The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism.If a competent witness reports having seen something tens of degrees of arc in size (as happens) and the scoffer -- who of course was not there -- offers Venus or a high altitude weather balloon as an explanation, the requirement of extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim falls on the proffered negative claim as well. That kind of approach is also pseudo-science. Moreover just being a scientist confers neither necessary expertise nor sufficient knowledge.
Any scientist who has not read a few serious books and articles presenting actual UFO evidence should out of intellectual honesty refrain from making scientific pronouncements. To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing. To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it nonetheless is another. That is not science."
Bernard Haisch, Astrophysicist.
Originally posted by FireMoon
reply to post by karl 12
To my mind - there are several UFO incidents that remain completely inexplicable and debunkers almost fall over themselves in attempting not to address them.
Shag harbour being one, apparently whoever made the documentary's about it couldn't find a skeptic to go on camera about it.
One of the cases that really does bug me about the skeptics who like to frequent the talk shows is the "Lighthouse theory" and the Rendlesham incident.
I still see it being spoken about as if it's a a, slam dunk, no further explanation required by many such skeptics. Well someone did some work on that particular theory, the results of which can be seen here.
So fair enough, if that persona analysis is faulty, show people where he has gone wrong and demonstrate it. Only the fact is, I have never once seen any skeptic address the guy's work. So, on the one hand, they demand all the evidence, in a given case, be reviewed, but often fail to do any sort of in depth background themselves. In other words they do rather have a "Do as i say, not as i do" attitude, to any paranormal event.
That's all this comes down to. I long for the day someone provides some good hard evidence. Maybe David Wilcock will reveal he is actually a reptilian by the end of the year on international tv.... bahahaha.
If you want to debunk him, show him some evidence.
Originally posted by instar
"the ufo community is pointless. Enthusiasts ought to to something better with their time like get a hobby, collect stamps, spend time with the family. Do anything but study crops and wierd lights in the sky. GET A LIFE."
LMAO after reading just a small percentage of ufo/aliens/ crap here I whole heartedly agree with him!
From the unbridled enthusiam and wishful thinking, and pure fantasy of these folk, you'd think there was nothing else in their lives more worthy of
Here here James !