HMS Invincible sunk in 1982, page 4
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reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 10:24 AM by TheIrishDuck
Originally posted by Argus
Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
The R08, the new Invincible was built in Litton Ingalls after the Tarawa class The Peleliu and before the first Wasp

www.hazegray.org...

www.hazegray.org...

www.hazegray.org...-cl

May someone can tell me what Litton Ingalls did betwen 1980 - 1985.

A new Invincible??? yes, but shhh. don´t tell anyone.



Ok, Ill have a go

Hull No Name Owner Type Delivery
4226 Thorn U.S. Navy Destroyer 21-Jan-80
4227 Deyo U.S. Navy Destroyer 25-Feb-80
4228 Ingersoll U.S. Navy Destroyer 24-Mar-80
4229 Fife U.S. Navy Destroyer 5-May-80
4230 Fletcher U.S. Navy Destroyer 16-Jun-80
4601 Kidd U.S. Navy Destroyer 4-May-81
4602 Callaghan U.S. Navy Destroyer 6-Jul-81
4603 Scott U.S. Navy Destroyer 8-Sep-81
4604 Chandler U.S. Navy Destroyer 18-Jan-82
4701 Ticonderoga U.S. Navy Cruiser 22-Jan-83
4801 Hayler U.S. Navy Destroyer 10-Feb-83
4901 Yorktown U.S. Navy Cruiser 15-Jul-84
4501 Vincennes U.S. Navy Cruiser 30-Jun-85
4502 Valley Forge U.S. Navy Cruiser 2-Dec-85

Hows that for you ? I guess they could have worked on sundays and xmas to get the new invincible done ?!

www.coltoncompany.com...



I wasn´t talking about destroyers and cruisers, i was talking about building aircraft carriers.

They had time to make it.


reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 10:33 AM by deltaboy
www.freefoto.com...

here is some more pics of close up shots of HMS Invincible in 2001. these pics could help to prove and compare the other pictures of HMS Invincible back in the 80s of course she has changed a little for refits, etc.


reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 10:38 AM by TheIrishDuck
Originally posted by Popeye
Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
I agree with "55heroes" may be he is right.

I have studied this for years and i have lot of material too, i can give you some of them.

After studying about the attack to Invincible i still waiting for someone who tell or answer me this questions:


- There isn´t any registry of aerial activity from that aircraft carrier, from that date (may 30)...


There was some air activity
1st June 1982.
0950 hours.
No.801 Squadron HMS Invincible CAP (Lt. N. Ward and Lt. S. Thomas) destroy Argentine C-130 Hercules 93 km north of Pebble Island. Wards first AIM-l9 Sidewinder he fired fell short of the C-130, but the second started a fire between the port engines, Ward then fired 240 rounds of 30mm, which broke the aircraft's wing of sending it crashing into the sea killing the 7 crew members. This particular C-130 is believed to have been trying to repeat a bombing attempt made by another C-130 the previous day, when an Argentine C-130 made a bombing attack on a British tanker well north of the total exclusion zone. The Argentineans had simply pushed bombs out of the back of the aircraft as they over flew the ship. One bomb struck the ship, but bounced off to no effect.



- Nobody knows where it was the Invincible from the May 30 to July ends, which enter the disguised Illustrious like Invincible in Port Stanley.


HMS Illustrous was in the UK until 2nd August when she set sail for the Falklands some how can she be in Port Stanley at the end of July when it is 8000 miles away


- Nobody can explain why the aircraft carrier do not touch land on June 14 (when the others ships, all the others including Hermes touched port Stanley or returned to England.


Remember only the Argentine forces on the island surrendered HMS Invincible was kept offshore as a precaution


- It is virtually impossible and irrational that the repairs have become to opened sea, with temperatures below cero and a few hours of light.


She was not hit so no repair, however as to being able to carry out repair when HMS Invincible left for the Falkland she only had one operational driveshaft. The second was replaced whilst she was underway in 24 hours, a job that was supposed to take 3 weeks in the docks


- Nobody can´t explain why the second aircraft carrier entered disarmed, if it was the Illustrious it was operative from half-full of June.

HMS wasa not unarmed she carried 809 squadron of Harriers


- Nobody can´t explain why HMS Illustrious returned immediately to UK from Falklands (obviously to be finished and to be armed).


She arrived on station in the Falklands on 27th August and stayed until the end of October when the shore based radar and F-4 phantoms becam operational on the island to provide the necessary security.

-Why the HMS Invincible that left to the Falklands had the black tower, and when it arrived in September it had it of gray color? repainted?? may be but i think is another ship, becasue Invincible didn´t had phalanx and the ships who arrives to Porstmouth as Invincible had phalanx.


Many of the ships got a fresh coat of paint whilst travelling down to the Falklands - I have some pics in a book. Helpedpass the time



[edit on 2-9-2005 by Popeye]


Yes, air activity the few harriers who survived but noone said nothing about the aircraft carrier after may 30.


"HMS Illustrous was in the UK until 2nd August when she set sail for the Falklands some how can she be in Port Stanley at the end of July when it is 8000 miles away"

I have explain this with images and links. Illustrious left uk on june 4 or 14.


"Remember only the Argentine forces on the island surrendered HMS Invincible was kept offshore as a precaution"

And why Hermes not?



Illustrious was desarmed, and was not finished.


I will post a link in the next post and i ll explain this better.


reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 10:40 AM by deltaboy


HMS Invincible in drydock with phalanx in the front of its bow.

it says 1980s. when the picture was takened.

www.maritimequest.com...




All three Invincible class carriers
Invincible R-05, Illustrious R-06 and Ark Royal R-07
returning from Outback 88



well well wat do u know all three aircraft carriers joining together posing for this pic. man im good.

o yeah it says R05 on the sail on the closest carrier.

[edit on 2-9-2005 by deltaboy]


reply posted on 2-9-2005 @ 11:08 AM by TheIrishDuck
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
QUOTE :" I wasn´t talking about destroyers and cruisers, i was talking about building aircraft carriers.

They had time to make it.
"

OK , i will bite

question one - when was the hull laid down

question two - was this hull destined for the RN

question two a - of so why was it being built in america

question two b - if not for who , and why did they " allow " thier ship to be " stolen "

question three - who paid for it

question four - why was the " new " ship not built to match invincible - ie no phalanx etc


ALL WAS KEPT IN SECRET, IN AMERICA BECAUSE UK DIDN´T HAVE THE TIME THE PLACE AND THE MONEY.
WHO CARES WHO PAID FOR IT, MAY BE USA BUT HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SINKING OF THE SHIP.

When they built the new ship the rest of the people in the world thought it was being refit, so they built a different ship.




unrelated questions :

which TWO carriers were on station in the south atlantic AFTER hermes departed

what carrier was on station after the departure of invincible

ILLUSTRIOUS ALWAYS WAS ILLUSTRIOUS, the R06 was like R05 too and i can prove it because of the characteristics of the ships, they were twins but had differences.


what carrier sailed north when illustrious returned

?returned where?


how did the " replacement " " make the switch " - crew / harriers / helicopters etc . hermes could not take them on


Yes i show you 2 photos and i have more if you want. There you can see Hermes with Illustrious to bring it the crew and the harriers of the Invincible
I had explained it before.




what became of the dead ? surely you cont claim thier ship was shot from under them with no loss of life

YES BUT THEY ARE STILL IN SECRET. It happenned with HMS Dasher. remembered? read pages one and two i explained that too.


why did the press corps stay silent ?

It´s secret, today too.
After the Falklands war, UK put 90 years of silence about the war.
And if you remember on the WW2 the years of secret were only 30.

YRS - APE

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