On the discussion of christianity on this thread, the title is "Indigo Children is a Satanic Conspiracy". Since christianity is the basis for satan, the discussion of christianty on this thread is appropriate and that it is asperger syndrome that is off topic.

I have to disagree a bit here, although I am going to draw a fairly fine line to do so.

First, when someone suggests one possible 'cause' for something it is entirely appro to discuss others. So the discussion of medical conditions that could lead to people making Metaphysical connections where none exist is perfectly on topic.

And while I agree Christianity is involved in this topic the pointless shots back and forth lead us nowhere. We are not going to come to any conclusions here about the relative merits of Christianity, and there is a whole Forum dedicated to that topic after all.

Careful readers may have noticed that I asked what the point of this Thread really was quite a while ago. It went unanswered, which is what I expected.

If you are a Christian then you probably believe a whole host of things are the work of the 'Devil'. If you are not then you dissmiss such claims because you know there is nothing objective at all about the reasoning that went into the conclusion that 'Indigo Children is a Satanic Conspiracy'.

I realize that Christians are motovated by the desire to help people. They are so sure they are right that they will do almost anything to convince people. So I saw this Thread in that light from the very beginning. The original poster saw people discussing something they believe to be 'evil' and felt the need to 'warn' us. This is nice, but not really necessary.

This is not an official statement, but I hope that the basic idea behind this Forum is that ALL religions and belief systems are valid. No one stands above the rest and all of them deserve respect. I have my own personal beliefs too, but I hope I express them in a way that shows my respect for people who do not share them.

So here the idea that there is only one true path to Enlightenment is not one of the unwritten Rules of the Forum. That idea is why I am here.



A.T
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Originally posted by Alexander Tau
The original poster saw people discussing something they believe to be 'evil' and felt the need to 'warn' us. This is nice, but not really necessary.

I've no particular axe to grind against christianity, however what a christian may consider a well intended warning can be quite deeming to the individual being warned. Additionally, in this case I do not believe that it was a well intended warning, but a cheap pot shot at those ATS members that identify themselves as "indigo children" by a self-appointed spokesperson for christianity.
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Sorry I haven't responded to this thread for a few days. I will read through new posts ASAP. I have been re-insulating my house due to the threat of higher heating bills this winter, so I have basically removed my computer from its connection in order to demolish walls and such, so I haven't been on to follow what everyone has been saying in this thread.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
This topic was literally beckoning me!

I don't really care much for this label anymore and would change my forum ID if I could. I just don't need this label of being some enlightened and special spiritual being on a special mission to umm bring mankind into higher consciousness. I am not anymore immune than any others to what is happening in this world, who knows what happens next, maybe im out on the streets fending for my life and looting wallmart to keep alive - so much for higher spirituality and leading man into the light.

I don't need such delusions. It's hard enough leading myself into the light

Hey Indigo, I think I have seen you on here in a few threads. This was my point in a round-a-bout way. It isn't necessarily that Indigo children are bad, but that they are trying to label people into some form of following and furthermore claiming that they are "enlightened". The tie in with ADD/ADHD proves to me- at least - that they are trying to classify people predisposed of these "illnesses" as being something they may not be.

My fiance' has a son who is ADD/ADHD. The diagnosis fits him very well, but to claim he is enlightened is a stretch. He may have his problems, but when Indigo proponents claim it is an enlightenment, I have to disagree. This is why I think it revolves around Satan, because it involves people starting to believe and develop a following that ADD/ADHD is not a genuine mental disorder, but something we should all wish to have.

My fiance's son who I will now refer to as "Bob", has a myriad of problems, including ignoring basic common sense of known facts in the world. Obsessive lying in light of drawing logical conclusions about things. No respect for parents, elders, or authorites. Total lack of responsibility. Extreme disinterest in things that are important.

If this sounds like a typical, rebellious teen-ager, you would be right. Bob is now 20 years old. He cannot hold a job more than one hour. He has no self-discipline and doesn't respect other peoples property or personal space. He blames everyone elses for his shortcomings but obviously has the capacity to better hisself in things that he is interested in, however superficial they are - like becoming self-taught in typing by using chat rooms.

He has the ability to do things, but refuses to do so, because he believes he is ADD/ADHD and lives accordingly to absolve himself of any reponsibility.

Originally posted by ben91069

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
This topic was literally beckoning me!

I don't really care much for this label anymore and would change my forum ID if I could. I just don't need this label of being some enlightened and special spiritual being on a special mission to umm bring mankind into higher consciousness. I am not anymore immune than any others to what is happening in this world, who knows what happens next, maybe im out on the streets fending for my life and looting wallmart to keep alive - so much for higher spirituality and leading man into the light.

I don't need such delusions. It's hard enough leading myself into the light

Hey Indigo, I think I have seen you on here in a few threads. This was my point in a round-a-bout way. It isn't necessarily that Indigo children are bad, but that they are trying to label people into some form of following and furthermore claiming that they are "enlightened". The tie in with ADD/ADHD proves to me- at least - that they are trying to classify people predisposed of these "illnesses" as being something they may not be.

*SNIP*

That's part and parcel the reason why I don't care for this label. Having an attention disorder, being rebellious and just plain arrogant is not very enlightened, in fact it's the average teenager. Moreover, I find a lot of people who just claim they are Indigos only do so to feel special. I recently met an Indigo in real life and when I asked them how they knew, they just told me a "psychic" told them. Suddenly they want to be all spiritual and attending a mulitude of new-age courses to be more spiritual. That does not make them more enlightened, it just makes them more gullible. The new-age spirituality scene is a business that preys on peoples need to beleive. Indigo Childen is a sub-section, people who label themselves Indigos to announce their higher spirituality, but really how high is their spirituality? Put them in a real testing crisis like what happened in NO recently and find out.

You see I look at my life and where I am today, I don't see higher spirituality, I see lot that needs to be done; I see a lot of growing up that still needs to be done. I am just a normal human being, and just as fallible and just as prone to error as any other. Yet, when you put labels like this on yourself you burden yourself with responisibility. It certainly is a big responsibility to say you are going to lead others into the light and you can only lead others into the light if you know the light yourself. To know the light yourself you must first experience it all yourself, so you can say I've done that. I have a long long way to go before I can say that.

Till then, I am just like you and everyone else, a normal human being trying to find his way and purpose in life, and who knows, my end could be just around the corner. I hope not though, my biggest fear in life is dying an uneventful life. They say life is transient, and just a moment short, that we souls continue to reincarate and take on different personalities and evolve spiritually, it could be that the person who I am today is just a single stepping stone to a more evolved me. It is hard to know that your life maybe inconsequential or just a stepping stone, but the reality is for billions in the world this is true, why should you be any different? Indigo is setting yourself up with expectations from life, great hopes of spiritual ascension, and as I said I don't need those delusions. I am not being pessimestic; just realistic.

I prefer to just live life as it flows and without any expectations, hence why I don't really care for the label. Expectations is what causes unhappiness and I am happy without them.

[edit on 7-9-2005 by Indigo_Child]
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Originally posted by ben91069
The tie in with ADD/ADHD proves to me- at least - that they are trying to classify people predisposed of these "illnesses" as being something they may not be.

My fiance's son who I will now refer to as "Bob", has a myriad of problems, including ignoring basic common sense of known facts in the world. Obsessive lying in light of drawing logical conclusions about things. No respect for parents, elders, or authorites. Total lack of responsibility. Extreme disinterest in things that are important.

If this sounds like a typical, rebellious teen-ager, you would be right. Bob is now 20 years old. He cannot hold a job more than one hour. He has no self-discipline and doesn't respect other peoples property or personal space. He blames everyone elses for his shortcomings but obviously has the capacity to better hisself in things that he is interested in, however superficial they are - like becoming self-taught in typing by using chat rooms.

He has the ability to do things, but refuses to do so, because he believes he is ADD/ADHD and lives accordingly to absolve himself of any reponsibility.

I think Indigo has an appeal for the anarchist craving freedom from society, not necessarily connected with ADD or ADHD. Perhaps those with ADD or ADHD are attracted to it because they're used to self-sufficiency anyway?

Originally posted by ben91069
This is why I think it revolves around Satan, because it involves people starting to believe and develop a following that ADD/ADHD is not a genuine mental disorder, but something we should all wish to have.

You could probably tell us ben better than anyone. Are you able to clearly perceive that he has or does not have ADD or ADHD? My two friends I could clearly perceive that they did not. Just because they got bored easily did not mean they had a short attention span or were incapable of focusing. My Ritalin friend (off of the medication) could sit and read volumes of 500 page books in one day. Maybe I'm the one with ADD...

Satan has many traps and snares, but I don't see an established direct correlation as the title states. Might I suggest comparing Satanic ideologies with Indigo ideologies for starters?

Indigo Child, that was well said! I know we've had our bouts in the past, if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. U2U, posting, whatever. Take care and hope you find the answer.

[edit on 7-9-2005 by saint4God]

Hello. I have been reading the ATS forums for a while but this will be my first post. I want to point out a few things at least.

First let me tell you that I am an indigo. Now let me tell you the descriptions on all these metaphysics sites I constantly see do not really show what indigos are. This is because they are made by non-indigos, and these people only have an outside view of an indigo. Being indigo is not simply being rebellious and spiritual. It is not a whiny kid saying "that's not fair" and crying in a corner, asking for royalty-like respect from everyone. The image put on for the public of indigos is not very accurate.

If you want to understand what an "indigo" is you have to look around the labels and the prejudices, because those are very insufficient and inaccurate. An indigo is not someone who just likes to talks crap. It is a STATE of MIND in which we are constantly searching for truth, acknowledging truth, and DENYING IGNORANCE. You can argue that everyone does this, but that is far from the truth. An indigo is a person of strong words, strong will, strong action. Natural leaders, natural BS detectors, natural changers. It is not just being a "rebellious teenager." Trust me, I went to school with these "rebellious teenagers" you claim us to be, and they are nothing like us. Being an indigo is about understanding, acting, and being.

I dropped out of school because every day was hell for me. A lot of people never understood why I would say it's hell, that's because they don't SEE all the wrong around them. This is where stereotypes come in. I was just some "depressed, rebellious teenager" when in fact I just pick up so much more BS than everyone else, it makes me sick to be in such places. I literally could not stand being in school, the energy was so bad and it took extreme effort to make it through each day, always mentally, spiritually, and physically exhausted at the end. My teachers never saw me as "a rebellious teenager" because I was always perfectly respectful when respect and justice was present, and they knew I wasn't just there to make a show. They knew I was ME, and I knew myself and the world very well. They knew I was a fair person, and a natural thinker, unaffected by the school's/society's doctrines. Just by going through school I changed many teachers' views on a lot of things. I changed thinking in administration, I opened up minds by showing people different ways of thinking. Sometimes I could just simply speak a few words and the teacher would feel the natural power and trueness, and would change their way of teaching or acting. Have you ever seen a "rebellious teenager" change thinking/acting of authorities just by being in the room or speaking a few words? There is no rebelling with me, there is just BEING. BEING what I know is true. I am fair, I am just, I am a person of understanding, and I know this and always act on it.

This may sound like an ego trip but that's not it at all. This is how I am, and this is how I expect other indigos to be when I meet them. Ah yes, you may see on these 'metaphysic' sites, they say something like "80% of children born from the 90s and up are indigo." This is not true at all. I am 18 and have never met another indigo in my life. I would estimate something more like .001%. Not to say that specific number has merit, just to show you how obviously different it really is.

Indigos, in the end, are not "better" or "worse" than any other soul. Every soul is EQUALLY infinite, just in different states of evolution, or, uncovering and realizing the infinite. Each soul has its very own uniqueness and purpose.

About ADD/ADHD: Just because someone has ADD or ADHD does not mean she/he is an indigo. As you can see from above, most people with ADD/ADHD are definately not indigo. What the ADD/ADHD thing is for indigos is a shield. When you are in constant bombardment of lower conciousness and negative energy, it's much easier to remain unaffected if you zone out. There ya go.

So you see, indigos are not work of evil, indigos are naturally natural. The reason people see them as evil for "rebelling" and "changing" is because you persist in thinking that this world is natural, that this society is great and must not be changed. When in fact, it is very unnatural and we know this, so we are here to help change it. And in this world it's hard to change a lot of things with a gentle stroke of love, which is why we act with power many times. Not harmful power, but changing power. If you are on the side of falsehood, your doctrines will be harmed, but it will be for the better of you and everyone else.

Just like when a lot of people beg for proof of truth, the truth is out there, but fear keeps you from searching/seeing.

I hope I covered enough, I just skimmed through the thread in a bit of a hurry. If you want to ask anything or have anything else to say, please do.

indigo_child - I have seen your long-standing work here and am grateful, you have been doing a really good job.

Ok I've been observing this thread for a while, here are my thoughts on this thread thus far. For one Satan was made up by the church to keep people going to church & reading "so called bible" which is really only an interpretation of things and experiences by a person of the time it was written, secondly how can so many of you call indigo children statanic and a satanic conspiracy?. You who judge others least ye be judged yourself, Indigos are a part of the evolution of mankind its more then obvious they have gifts empathy on a rather large scale and have more complex worries about the earth and why things are going oh so wrong and why they see governments lie,cheat, steal & murder and then these children are told all of it is for their own good ... yeah unhu.. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. these children can offer so much to the woirld but yet so many fear them? why cause some can't grasp the next evolution of mankind is coming and can't be stopped. Just like the witch trials of salem massachusettes. so alot of you are quick to say the so-called satan is behind this new evolution of thinking and seeing the world, I fit in some of the categories myself. I do NOT believe in one all powerful god I see it as many gods or goddesses. I do NOT buy into organized religion and before you say it I'm not a so called satanist I just see it as it is organized religion is as faulty as the governments are how many priests are in prison and for what child abuse or embezzelment of funds or prostitution stings they get caught in why do many preachers go on tv asking for money and say god wants them to receieve money? where does most money go to (their pockets)greed, corruption thats NOT light nor holy is it , so why do so many of you judge indigos? hmm? think about your accusations and judgements cause if you judge thats not holy nor light. Do I have your attention yet? I bet I do. who are any of you to judge on indigo children or say this or that about them? where are your facts where is your proof, so many of you can't back the claims cause you don't have any hard evidence or proof about them being a part of some so called satanic conspiracy which I find the whole satanic conspiracy of indigos quite hilarious to the point its actually quite immature for so called adults to judge gifted people/children.

Originally posted by MisticDragon
For one Satan was made up by the church to keep people going to church & reading "so called bible"

He's not made up. Or at least that's what he said to me.

Originally posted by MisticDragon
which is really only an interpretation of things and experiences by a person of the time it was written, secondly how can so many of you call indigo children statanic and a satanic conspiracy?.

I don't believe Indigo Children are Satanists. I think the question by the originator is: Is it a Satanic conspiracy, making Satan the secret CEO? Feel free to correct if I read you wrong ben.

Originally posted by MisticDragon
You who judge others least ye be judged yourself,

Oh, so now you're going to use the Bible? Is it "so called bible" or is it not?

Originally posted by MisticDragon
these children can offer so much to the woirld but yet so many fear them?

Who fears them?

Originally posted by MisticDragon
why cause some can't grasp the next evolution of mankind is coming and can't be stopped. Just like the witch trials of salem massachusettes.

Oh, so that explains why everyone in the world is a witch. Thanks for clarifying that point...

Originally posted by MisticDragon
how many priests are in prison and for what child abuse

As far as I know none, but aren't there a small number of court cases in California right now?

Originally posted by MisticDragon
or embezzelment of funds or prostitution stings they get caught in why do many preachers go on tv asking for money and say god wants them to receieve money? where does most money go to (their pockets)greed, corruption thats NOT light nor holy is it ,

What percentage are we talking here honestly? Please provide data to support. For a 'non-judgemental' person yourself, you seem to have quite a number of accusations.

Originally posted by MisticDragon
so why do so many of you judge indigos? hmm? think about your accusations and judgements cause if you judge thats not holy nor light.

I challenge you to do the same.

Originally posted by MisticDragon
Do I have your attention yet? I bet I do.

Ya don't have to jab people with a fork to get their attention my friend.

Originally posted by MisticDragon
who are any of you to judge on indigo children or say this or that about them?

See my posts, where have I judged people?

Originally posted by MisticDragon
where are your facts where is your proof,

I've made no accusations, therefore require no "proof". You on the other hand have. Where are yours?

Originally posted by MisticDragon
so many of you can't back the claims cause you don't have any hard evidence or proof about them being a part of some so called satanic conspiracy which I find the whole satanic conspiracy of indigos quite hilarious to the point its actually quite immature for so called adults to judge gifted people/children.

Glad you're entertained. Now, can we please get back to a serious discussion?

ummm...
You know how many people have indigo in thier aura
I have indigo in my aura
it doesn't mean anything
but calm inner peace
connection between the persons path and spiritualism
and if you think I'm evil
satanic OH WELL..
your closed mind thinking
and by the way you can change aura colors so it doesn't matter any way
When I was younger I had neon green and dark purple as my aura and i added the blues becasue i liked them
so to end note it really doesn't matter what color you are you're always changing and you can change it yourself
so what if you have indigo in your aura...
i mean if you do you're on the path of enlightenment
other wise you can be like anyother human being and choose not to see...
and I do not believe there are really indigo children it's just a color
I do believe however that there are a bunch of people with hightened phychic awareness that are pulled toward each other
because it has happened to me on quite a few occasions,
Alixia

[edit on 9/7/05 by Equineartist7]

Saint,

Satan is made up that entity was never real nor was it ever it was a made up entity by the church to enstill fear into people to make sure they stayed "true" to the 'so called christian" religion, when in fact the church has lost its meaning lost its way and has little to no impact in todays world, you know why? they persecuted the templar knights and lied about them and judged them falsely of crimes they were never even guilty of and do you know why the church pulled that oon the templars cause of greed and corruption by a greedy self centered self absorbed french king. Oh and now you have "so called holy" priests in prison for child molestation and rape sodomy etc. Saint where do you get off saying that you think indigos are not part of evolution of man when in fact they are they are here in hopes of trying to maybe help things get better and not worse though the governments around the globe don't listen to anyone tthey aught to listen to gifted indigos cause they are trying to show a better way of doing things all governments do is lie, cheat, steal & murder and lie to the public and say its for the publics best interest everything they do ... indigos can heal and help the earth if war mongerers would stop listen and look at everything they've done and realize there is a better way of life a btter spiritual way of things. indigos have alot to offer in the ways of ideas and healing people and helping mankind before there is anymore destruction. Fear is what drove the masses to seek death for witches in salem when they never ever harmed anyone it was fear of difference and fear of change and fear of better ways of living, it was fear & paranoia. There is a way for the public to see a better way of living a better acceptance of indigos and gifted people. Indigos deserve to be heard and accepted.



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Originally posted by saint4God

He's not made up. Or at least that's what he said to me.

I think you have serious social issues to be honest and people accuse the Indigo children of having issues?

You know its funny that it was satan, Did you have religious parents or go to a religious school? I guess if you were into Eastern religions, it may have been Kali herself talkign to you.

When anyone opens up pathways and steps into the unknown in any situation, fears will rise to the surface first and foremost. It is the reason that people playing with ouija boards scare the panty poos off themselves every time. Their fears surface, their fears of evil spirits they have been taught to be scared of arise. Satan or other "entities", darkness left over from childhood nightmares.

You seem to be afraid of yourself, afraid of whats deep within you. Unfortunately with your attitude you will never rise over your fears and conquer them until you accept change and growth from that change.


oh and you know the old adage.........to talk to yourself is not the sign of madness but when you answer yourself...you need serious help


[edit on 7-9-2005 by Mayet]

This thread sure has managed to bring out the worst in people.

Ok, the first step in restoring some intelligent dialog here is to cut out the amazing level of hypocracy.

Mistic claims that Indigo Children deserve to be listened to, while also claiming that fundamental precepts of my "so called" religion are a sham. Hmm. Probably attacking someones most cherished beliefs is not the best way to get respect for yours.

Also, somebody mind telling me why Saint is getting roundly attacked for stating his opinion in a value-neutral way?

And, for the non-Christians, Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge or you too will be judged" does NOT mean that Christians have to refrain from any sort of opinion of the righteousness of things. It means that whatever standard you judge others by is the standard you'll be judged by. The rest of the chapter as well as some of Paul's Epistles expand on the theme. In other words, if you're going to accuse somebody of doing something, you should be sure that you're not doing it yourself.

Originally posted by Mayet
I think you have serious social issues to be honest and people accuse the Indigo children of having issues?

Wow, that's awefully judgemental of you isn't it? Especially since you weren't there.

Originally posted by Mayet
You know its funny that it was satan, Did you have religious parents or go to a religious school?

No.

Originally posted by Mayet
I guess if you were into Eastern religions, it may have been Kali herself talkign to you.

The devil didn't show up in his red suit and cape when I met him. Not saying he couldn't, just saying he didn't.

Originally posted by Mayet
When anyone opens up pathways and steps into the unknown in any situation, fears will rise to the surface first and foremost. It is the reason that people playing with ouija boards scare the panty poos off themselves every time. Their fears surface, their fears of evil spirits they have been taught to be scared of arise. Satan or other "entities", darkness left over from childhood nightmares.

Whatever. Just showing what you know at this point.

Originally posted by Mayet
You seem to be afraid of yourself, afraid of whats deep within you. Unfortunately with your attitude you will never rise over your fears and conquer them until you accept change and growth from that change.

Whoa, you missed the boat entirely on this one. But, feel free to keep shooting in the dark. You're bound to hit something eventually.

Originally posted by Mayet
oh and you know the old adage.........to talk to yourself is not the sign of madness but when you answer yourself...you need serious help

Check me. I don't answer myself.

Thanks SevenBizzos, I appreciate ya. Regarding judgement, I'll go a step further to say don't judge anyone even if it's not a sin you're committing. It is not possible to fully understand someone else's situation, but we should try to become reasonably close.

[edit on 8-9-2005 by saint4God]

I see more attacks on indigo again in this thread , what is it with some of you ? do you really fear change & difference that much? attacking the very people who could help change the world , right now the earth could use the help of indigos really... the way the world is now.. its headed for destruction clear & simple. Everyone should at least listen to indigos maybe their insight could really change some people for the better cause most who work in the private sector or government sure as hell don't listen to scientists either. The more people think wars are whats best sure don't heed the consequences after. look at the after effects of each world war .. devestation & death no one wins in a war never will happen it just destroys a bit more of the earth and the more that happens. The less we have a chance to repair the damage. Indigos the ones I know really could help alot if they were heard alot of good ideas they have. Maybe there should be less attacks on indigos and more discussions with them & hear their ideas on how maybe we could repair some of the chaos & damage we all keep causing the earth. Indigos are here for a reason so they aught to be readily accepted.

Saint4God -

Maybe you could share more about your experience with satan? Once you do that, I can easier share my view on this guy that employs me.

Originally posted by spacesounds
Saint4God -

Maybe you could share more about your experience with satan?

If it would help or make a difference to anyone here, I would.

Originally posted by spacesounds
Once you do that, I can easier share my view on this guy that employs me.

I think I got quite an education already from a friend who was his employer, but certainly welcome additional information.

[edit on 8-9-2005 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God

If it would help or make a difference to anyone here, I would.

It will help and make all the difference here. I would like to share my views. So please do share.

Originally posted by saint4God
I think I got quite an education already from a friend who was his employer, but certainly welcome additional information.

Please emphasize fully on who your friend is and what you mean by that. Again I'd like to hear your testimony and share my views.

Originally posted by spacesounds
It will help and make all the difference here. I would like to share my views. So please do share.

Please emphasize fully on who your friend is and what you mean by that. Again I'd like to hear your testimony and share my views.

Please U2U me, it's a bit off-topic and quite long. Maybe I misunderstood. Who are you saying your employer was? Feel free to answer in U2U if you prefer.

Mistic - I'm calling you out. How about sharing some of that vaunted insight, rather than accusations and slander against Christianity? I'd really like to hear some of those solutions rather than just worn-out old dystopian warnings and vague anarchic leanings.