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Saddam’s Anthrax from England Confirmed

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posted on Aug, 31 2005 @ 09:34 PM
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Research has confirmed that the type of anthrax used in Iraq’s biological warfare programme (strain 14578) originated from a cow that died in Oxfordshire in 1937 before being incorporated into Britain’s past biological warfare programme.
Furthermore this anthrax was supplied to Iraq by the U.S between 1986 and 1988 from a collection of germs known as the ATCC. This was revealed by a congressional investigation conducted by Don Riegle.

Some very interesting links to all you foreign policy believers.

Times original
www.timesonline.co.uk...

More Info
deepblade.net...

Original story confirmed
www.pastpeak.com...




posted on Sep, 1 2005 @ 11:18 AM
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As the U.S supplied Iraq with anthrax in the 1980's could they be doing this today with some other country say one friendly with the war on terror? Who might this be? After all if they did it once what's to say they won't do it again? And since when did the U.S learn from foreign policy mistakes? (That’s if it was a mistake since Iraq got rid of its WMD’s in the end).
So if there is such a country who might it be? Saudi Arabia perhaps?



posted on Sep, 1 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Liberal1984
could they be doing this today

Yes, but considering the iraq blowback probably not.


So if there is such a country who might it be? Saudi Arabia perhaps?

Iraq received US support, and US-British Bio and Chem weapons because of Iran and the Soviet Union. There was a fear that the middle east would become a giant radical militant caliphate, or a giant communist dictatorship, with the unthinkably vast oil reserves of the region. Completely unacceptable. There is no such similar situation today. Saudi Arabia has an internal problem, its not going to be invaded by iran or syria or anything like that. I think that the US will for a long while prefer to send in its troops to defend 'non-enemies' that are falling to enemies. So if, say, Lebanon is invaded by the Syrians, the US will get involved, but before that all it'd do is supply conventional types of weapons.

But hey, ya never know.



posted on Sep, 4 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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It is best to read the actual paper by Geoffrey Holland than to rely on the Times article which does, unfortunately, contain some inaccuracies.


For instance, the idea that an ear from the cow in Oxfordshire was sent to an Oxford University is speculation. It does not appear in Geoffrey Holland's paper. Although this type of sample collection (ear sampling) was common throughout the UK Porton Down WW2 Gruinard Island anthrax experiments, there is no proof that this occurred at Oxfordshire, seven or eight years earlier.

As is the speculation from Professor Emeritus Martin Hugh-Jones that this particular anthrax strain arrived in the UK via contaminated bones from Rhodesia. There is no proof that this was the case.

As I mentioned before, read the actual paper; its more accurate.


zero lift



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 02:24 PM
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Thanks for the info Zero Lift. Could you get me a link to the actual paper?
But you’re not denying we supplied Saddam with anthrax; are you?

Nygdan I agree with what you had to say but there's one place I have a big hunch. It’s Israel because they've have been rumoured to have a biological warfare programme for ages. If America would help any country today with a biological warfare programme it would have to be them.
Officially they don't have one, but then again officially they don't have a nuclear programme ether (let alone a bomb which they do of course).



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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Oh the US definitely gave Iraq the Vollum strain Liberal 1984, no doubt about it. I just have a problem with the Times reporting 'facts' (a cow's ear being sent to Oxford) that don't actually appear in Geoffrey Holland's paper.

When the newly formed and highly secret Biology Department Porton needed a virulent form of anthrax for their Gruinard Island experiments, someone (Vollum himself?) supplied them with this strain. After WW2 this strain was held in the Tissue Culture collection of the successor organisation of the wartime BDP- the newly formed Microbiological Research Department, Porton Down. This culture was held in the personal custody of the Chief Superintendent of that organisation, Dr DW Henderson. He had been in charge of the Gruinard Island anthrax experiments. During 1951, responsibility for the collection was passed to the Safety Section of the MRD, Porton Down.
Sometime after this, the strain was passed to the US. From there it went to Iraq.

A pdf file of Geoffrey Holland's paper can be found via the deepblade link that you have already posted, or you can click here



zero lift


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