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reply posted on 1-9-2005 @ 09:02 AM by Timcouchfanclub
Looting


This is why looting does not help survival. Read above link



Tempers flared elsewhere across the devastated region. Police said a man in Hattiesburg, Miss., fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice. Dozens of carjackings were reported, including a nursing home bus. One officer was shot in the head and a looter was wounded in a shootout. Both were expected to survive.


If we give officers and police the power to stop this BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY. this crap won't happen



reply posted on 1-9-2005 @ 09:29 AM by Nygdan
Originally posted by svenglezz
I feel so bad for her kids.

Me too, what kind of jerkoff of a parent sits there while a category five hurricane is slowly steaming on to your below sea-level 200 year old city? Protective services should probably pick them up.
if it was my store I'd take my gems out'a there

So now the owners who were smart enough to leave the city as this massive hurricane the size of the country of france hit them, they have to return to this lawless, martial law ruled, rioting and violent looter filled city to put their gems in a sack and then try to make it out? Er, no, looting is illegal, it will lead to complete chaos in that city, and the people who are going to be needed to rebuild it, sensible business owners who's stores survived the storm, are going to be destroyed by these looters.

something wrong with these pictures

The looter has stolen a big black bags worth of stuff, the other people are carrying bread. Besides, whats wrong here? There are two sides to every story, theres the human tragedy of having to scrounge for food, and there's the illegal looting. The same act is at the same time two things. One of those pics is for a story about the human tragedy, the other is about the out of control looting.
mistfit
on your state of welfare within your current way of life

I'm basing it on the fact that this woman was stealing. There were five days of warnings about this hurricane hitting the gulf coast, and there was more than enough time to leave the city. After it hit, there are plenty of governmental services for people. She chose to stay in the city. She chose to not buildup a stockpile of food and water. She chose to steal. This was what, a day or two after the event? And again, she's stealing disposable diapers? She should've gotten some cloth diapers at least and washed them for her kids, not broke into some store, stolen a bunch of stuff, and then ran from the police so that they had to take her to the ground. She's a criminal, its simple. They had to arrest her. Having said that, I can see the judge being very lenient, or even charges not beign pressed, because the major concern is stopping the looting, not putting people in jail. Meanwhile, they should pick up her kids and family and move them to shelters.
GTWill
had no access to leaving the area

Thats BS. There isn't a wall around the city, they're not shackled to their flooboards. They should've left, they don't get to stay, and then loot and claim its perfectly allright.
jsobecky
How do we compare price-gougers with looters? What they do *may* be legal, but is it right? Should they also be penalized?

Price gouging in these situations is illegal. Charging lots of money for luxuries like tvs is not.
StickyG
So the blacks "loot" and whitey "finds"

The woman in the first pic is black and playing the part of jean val jean, literally taking a loaf of bread. The person in the other photos has a huge bag of stuff. You think its full of bread and evaporated milk?
zaphod58
There has already been a police officer shot in the face, he's expected to survive thank god, and a police station got shot up by an AK47.

And thus the shock and stun of disaster slowly turns from benevolent anarchy into violent chaos, with lots of people insisting that the theivery and complete disrespect for the law is absolutely necessary.
the power to stop this BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY. this crap won't happen

It hardly justifies killing everyone to prevent them from killing each other. The veneer of civilization is thin, it can be broken by savagery, like looting, or by wanton abuse of power. There is a civilized middle ground. Looting is illegal, and dangerous, its the cracking of the veneer. It has to be stopped, by rounding up and arresting people that do it, and by putting police and military on the streets. Louisiana has 11,000 national guardsmen, 3,000 are in Iraq, and apparently half or less of the remainder were active to be ready for this hurricane. All of them need to be activated, and neighbhoring states will need to activate theirs and send them in. I don't know if Louisiana has any militias, but they'd need to be sent in too. Hopefully enough boats and such can be commandeered also to aid in presenting a massed police pressence. And they have to prevent everyone from looting anything. The Police can comandeer grocery stores and disperse foodstuffs, but looting should allways be an arrestable offense. No need to gun everyone down tho. Its martial LAW, not savage dictatorial rule.


reply posted on 1-9-2005 @ 10:24 AM by soficrow
Originally posted by Nygdan
what kind of jerkoff of a parent sits there while a category five hurricane is slowly steaming on to your below sea-level 200 year old city? Protective services should probably pick them up.


The kind that can't afford to leave. But go ahead, blame the victims. It's the New American Way, ...



So now the owners who were smart enough to leave the city as this massive hurricane the size of the country of france hit them, they have to return to this lawless, martial law ruled, rioting and violent looter filled city to put their gems in a sack and then try to make it out?



...to defend and protect corporate industry.

Good job. Keep at it.



...sensible business owners who's stores survived the storm, are going to be destroyed by these looters.


Unlike the ordinary people who were just made homeless, killed, bankrupted, and left to fend for themselves in the eye of the storm. [tsk]


... this woman was stealing. There were five days of warnings about this hurricane hitting the gulf coast, and there was more than enough time to leave the city.


But not for the wealthy to remove or secure their valuables? Or for government to institute reasonable and effective measures to handle the predicted catastrophe? Before it hit?



After it hit, there are plenty of governmental services for people.


Read much? Even emergency centers were evacuated by helicopter.



She chose to stay in the city. She chose to not buildup a stockpile of food and water. She chose to steal. This was what, a day or two after the event? And again, she's stealing disposable diapers?


Your compassion, and awareness regarding the concept of choice, are downright overwhelming. Not. FYI - poverty prevents choice. It's called an economic barrier.



She should've gotten some cloth diapers at least and washed them for her kids,


In contaminated water? Then, you presumably would blame her for making her children sick, or say their illness resulted from inherent genetic weakness, resulting from her choice to give birth. Either way, it would be on her shoulders as a personal responsibility.

You arguments are nothing if not CONSISTENT. Bravo!





She's a criminal, its simple.



More black and white consistency, lacking in compassion and vision.



Meanwhile, they should pick up her kids and family and move them to shelters.



Are you ready to threaten the entire nation with child appropriation for non-compliance? The current crises are endemic and systemic - and MUCH, much too big, and widespread, to be resolved in that way. Back to the drawing board big guy.




The woman in the first pic is black and playing the part of jean val jean, literally taking a loaf of bread.


And that book/movie should be mandatory education for everyone living in these times - lest we forget the heroine of the story, or the signs of the times.


The veneer of civilization is thin, it can be broken by savagery, like looting, or by wanton abuse of power.


Like the US invading Iraq you mean? Can you explain to the citizens of New Orleans precisely how and why this situation is different?


Looting is illegal, and dangerous, its the cracking of the veneer. It has to be stopped, by rounding up and arresting people that do it,




And equally important, by preventing nations and corporations from looting without constraint, and becoming role models that glorify and justify such behavior. Ie., see:

New Bridge Corporation
Iraq was ripped apart and divvied up faster in one summer than Latin America has been in 3 decades.


Can you explain why we arrest and incarcerate the little people, but not the rich and powerful? For doing exactly the same thing, but on a much larger scale?


No need to gun everyone down tho. Its martial LAW, not savage dictatorial rule.


And as such, the edge of the wedge. As planned. See:
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