Hi, this is my first post detailing something I've been thinking about for a little while.

In the Genesis story, God curses the serpent to forever crawl on its belly and eat dust, this got me thinking, how did it move about before it was cursed to crawl on the ground?
I'd known about Quetzalcoatl, the Aztec gor of wisdom and later the morning star for a while. He is supposed to be a winged, plumed serpent.
This got me thinking, were the serpent of Eden and Quetzalcoatl the same?

I don't have much else to say on this, I'm not a Chritian myself nor do I follow any religions as such, I'm just very interested in both of these tales.
Another thing which kind of sparked these thoughts is the practice of Kundalini yoga. In Kundalini yoga the aim is to awaken your Kundalini, which is a coiled spiral of energy located in the Muladhara chakra, which is thought to be based between the genitals and anus. The Kundalini spiral (or serpent as it is someties called) spirals up the body, opening the different chakra points on the way up until it reaches the crown chakra which is based above the head, it then spirals out into the universe and you are supposed to feel enlightened by this.

Basically, I can just see parallels between this and the serpent of Eden (who awoke within Eve the knowledge of good and evil by temping her to eat the apple) and Quetzalcoatl, who is the god of wisdom.

What do you think?

well when ya think about it, man was thrown from eden for eating from the tree, if Genisis is code, then the tree they ate from could of been the tree of knowledge, and your theory is correct, but then again one could argue that the fyling snake could of been a dragon, whitch is why we dont have any now, god removed there wings.

Originally posted by seedy_sid
well when ya think about it, man was thrown from eden for eating from the tree, if Genisis is code, then the tree they ate from could of been the tree of knowledge, and your theory is correct, but then again one could argue that the fyling snake could of been a dragon, whitch is why we dont have any now, god removed there wings.

In Judaism, which is what Christianity is based on, Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which is different to Wisdom. Basically, they (maybe unwittingly) broke from God's control. Before they could not do either Good or Evil, they could only follow God's will, but the serpent freed them from that constraint and made is so they could decide for themselves whether to follow Good or Evil.
If you think about it, the Serpent did God a favour, wouldn't you want your children to be good through choice rather than through force?
On the dragon thing, yes, it could have been a dragon, I just see that as a title.

Dany, welcome. I can see that you are very open minded from what I hear you say. I can see you becoming a respected member here.

I can see the link between wisdom and the tree of good and evil. To farther this connection is to say that Quatzalcoatl was satan...hmmmmm

Originally posted by TheManWithThePlan
Dany, welcome. I can see that you are very open minded from what I hear you say. I can see you becoming a respected member here.

I can see the link between wisdom and the tree of good and evil. To farther this connection is to say that Quatzalcoatl was satan...hmmmmm

Possibly but not necessarily. The Serpent is never actually mentioned as being Satan. Satan is just a word which means adversary, in my mind, that would make Satan at least as powerful as God because you cannot have an adversary that can do nothing against you.

It could be that the church demonised Quetzalcoatl, like they demonised Cernunnos of the Celtic Pagan pantheon and tried to connect the Serpent to their Devil.

The church has done a fine job of muddying the waters when it comes to religions by demonising everything outside of their God, whom I doubt many of the leaders of the church even believed in.

true, but satan can still be an adversary even though he is not as powerful as god. Gods power could cover a greater area but equally powerful power distribution {} from the devil could be confined to a more limited space. So, lets say god is twice the power as satan, then god could cover twice as much ground (without sacrificing influece) as satan. You still got the areas where satan has control. that is bad!

[Edited on 2-9-2003 by TheManWithThePlan]

Originally posted by TheManWithThePlan
true, but satan can still be an adversary even though he is not as powerful as god. Gods power could cover a greater area but equally powerful power distribution {} from the devil could be confined to a more limited space. So, lets say god is twice the power as satan, then god could cover twice as much ground (without sacrificing influece) as satan. You still got the areas where satan has control. that is bad!

[Edited on 2-9-2003 by TheManWithThePlan]

That's a pretty interesting concept, I'd not thought about it like that before.
I don't see a Satan figure as being the bad guy myself, I mean, the only person who's testified to that is God, and God's done some pretty foul things himself if you go by the Old Testament.

this material is from the following people at www.cassiopaea.com and is freely distributed to those that want it, though I do not know if it still appears on this website.


Q: (L) What was the flaming sword barring re-entry into the garden of Eden?
A: Symbolizes trap.
Q: (L) A self-imposed flaming sword?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Where was Eden?
A: Earth.
Q: (L) The entire earth was Eden?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was the "fall" in Eden, or the loss of the Edenic state, also accompanied by a cataclysm?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the nature of that cataclysm?
A: Comets.
Q: (L) The cluster you have mentioned before?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, how long ago did this occur?
A: 309882 years ago.
Q: (L) Was the loss of the Edenic state also accompanied by a takeover of mankind by the Lizzies?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who were the original creator gods?
A: Us. Sixth Density.
Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans? Were the Pleiadeans also the original creator gods?
A: Same. Sixth Density.
Q: (L) What was the true identity of the serpent in Eden?
A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Regarding the "Fall" in Eden and the loss of the Edenic state, how long ago did that happen?
A: 309000 years ago approx.
Q: (L) What was the situation... what happened... what was the state of mankind?
A: Loss of faith caused knowledge and physical restrictions by outside forces.
Q: (L) What did the snake or the "tempter" represent?
A: Forces known to you as Lizzies; we have already taught you this.

Q: (L) The other night we were talking about the "Mark of Cain" and I lost part of the tape. I would like to go back over that a little bit more at this time. What
was the true event behind the story of the "Mark of Cain?"
A: Advent of jealousy.
Q: (L) What occurred to allow jealousy to enter into human interaction?
A: Lizard takeover.
Q: (L) Wasn't the Lizard takeover an event that occurred at the time of the fall of Eden?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this story of Cain and Abel part of that takeover?
A: Symbolism of story.
Q: (L) This was symbolic of the Lizzie takeover, the advent of jealousy, and the attitude of brother against brother, is that correct?
A: Partly. The mark of Cain means the "jealousy factor" of change facilitated by Lizard takeover of earth's vibrational frequency. Knot on spine is physical
residue of DNA restriction deliberately added by Lizards. See?


[Edited on 15-9-2003 by THENEO]