$5 gas by 2006, unless....

Again we are being told that oil is finite, but what if it is not? Is there science that says oil is not finite? I would think it would be worth your while to do some reading. Can the spikes with the Hurricane be a money grab? Do the 'insiders' know the real truth but will not tell so that they make MORE money?

I for one never bought the dinosaur part of the equation, I always thought it was a form of peat swamp and such, but this new theory has me wondering.

The fossil-fuel theory

The predominant theory is that oil is a "fossil fuel" produced from decaying pre-historic forests. Since pre-historic forests would be a limited resource, it follows that oil would also be a limited resource. So, the theory goes, eventually we will use up all the oil reserves, especially given the increasing demands of an industrialized world where the United States must now compete with countries like China and India for available oil supplies.

Here's the problem: This theory fails to take into account available evidence. Despite increased oil demand, the amount of proven oil reserves in the world has never been larger. There is now credible scientific evidence suggesting the earth produces oil on an on-going basis and that its origin has nothing to do with fossils or pre-historic forests.

The work of Dr. Thomas Gold has generated an alternative theory. This theory asserts that oil is produced not by decayed fossils, but instead by a continuing bio-chemical action below the surface of the earth, and that oil is forced to the surface of the earth by the centrifugal force resulting from the earth's rotation.

In "Black Gold Stranglehold," we systematically expose the fraudulent science that has made America so vulnerable to ongoing oil shocks: the belief that oil is a fossil fuel and that it is a finite resource.

$5 gas by 2006, unless....

Experts estimate that Americans consume more than 25 percent of the world's oil but have control over less than 3 percent of its proven oil supply. This unbalanced pattern of consumption makes it possible for foreign governments, corrupt political leaders, terrorist organizations, and oil conglomerates to hold the economy and the citizens of the United States in a virtual stranglehold. There is no greater proof of this than the direct relationship between skyrocketing gas prices and the explosion of wealth among those who control the world's supply of oil.

In Black Gold Stranglehold, Jerome Corsi and Craig Smith expose the fraudulent science that has made America so vulnerable: the belief that oil is a fossil fuel and that it is a finite resource. This book reveals the conclusions reached by Dr. Thomas Gold, a professor at Cornell University, in his seminal book The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels (Copernicus Books, 1998) and accepted by many in the scientific community that oil is not a product of fossils and prehistoric forests but rather the bio-product of a continuing biochemical reaction below the earth's surface that is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.

Jerome Corsi explores the international and domestic politics of oil production and consumption, including the wealth and power of major oil conglomerates, the manipulation of world economies by oil-producing nations and rogue terrorist regimes, and the shortsightedness of those who endorse expensive conservation efforts while rejecting the use of the oil reserves currently controlled by the U.S. government.

As an expert in tangible assets, Craig Smith provides an understanding of the history of America's dangerous dissociation of the dollar with precious—and truly scarce—metals such as gold and the devastation that would be inflicted on the U.S. economy if Middle Eastern countries are able to follow through with current plans to make the euro the standard currency for oil instead of U.S. dollars.

Black Gold Stranglehold is a thoughtful work that is certain to dramatically change the debate on oil consumption, oil dependence, and oil availability.

BLACK GOLD STRANGLEHOLD






[edit on 29-8-2005 by edsinger]

Without commenting too much, here are some threads involving abiotic oil:

Oil not a fossil fuel?
Oil from Asteroids


Generally tho, I'd think that considering that oil companies depend on having a strong understanding of how oil is made would indicate that its biotic, not abiotic, and that the 'currently accepted theories' are rather correct. Also, the idea that oil comes from forests is rather erroneous, it largely comes from micro-animals in the sea, rather than decaying terrestrial plant matter, which, i beleive, tends to result in coal more often. Of course, not all deposits stick to that rule, but generally thats the situation.

Thanks for the links, I have another one in here myself on the same subject.

Question is, what if they are right and its not biological in nature?


The end of the age of oil? I think not!

Oil derivatives are already a great fuel source, if oil is produced abiotically (and I think it'd really have to be produced abiotically in addition to biotically), and we have gigantic reserves never even thought of, well then oil'd be even better than it already is! It'd be even cheaper (heck, gas is still cheaper per gallon than evian bottled water)! True enough, this could be serious problem with respect to global warming.

If this sort of thing happened, I'd think that it'd be wise to really divert serious funding into global warming research and also into making fuel additives that make it burn cleaner, just to hedge yer bets.

1.) Water finds its own level
2.) Water can contain bacteria
3.) Bacteria can reproduce extremely rapidly.

Millions of years pass while the hydrology cycle seeps deeply into the ground, carrying with it more and more bacteria that adapts to conditions. It is sufficiently complex in order to formulate carbon chains as we see in petroleum.

Ergo the abiotic theory while plausible, is not the only theory other than flora and fauna of the more complex variety. If this is the first anywhere you read this, then it is this author's theory.

If this sort of thing happened, I'd think that it'd be wise to really divert serious funding into global warming research and also into making fuel additives that make it burn cleaner, just to hedge yer bets.

I'm actually thinking of specialising in Nano-Catalyst's for this very reason, they show great promise but they may not be a panacea in of themselves. I think the only way we would be able to get a very clean combusion engine is to re-engineer it from the bottom up starting at the Nanoscale. That is many years away. Maybe by the time I graduate it will become feasible but what in the meantime? Speculators drive the price up a bit but not that much. Most of the countries in OPEC are already producing at Capacity and efforts are undergoing in those countries to increase capacity. Unfortunately the timelines of those projects do not look promising. If we can somehow perfect clean coal technology that would save us allot of grief in the long run, but I wouldn't bet on anything at this point. Events are starting to become more fluid, expect major changes in the status-quo in the next 5 years. All IMHO of course, but it's a gut feeling that OPEC isn't tell us the truth about it's reserves. Just how much independant oversight does OPEC have anyway. I have my suspicoun it is none and we are just taking their word for it.

so if oil is renewable how come the dry wells arnt filling up?

Dont know, but if it is unlimited then this probably something they will try to coverup.

Originally posted by TheRepublic
so if oil is renewable how come the dry wells arnt filling up?

Because the process takes so freaking long! they arent called fossil feuls for nothing, and the definition is: a remnant, impression, or trace of an organism of past geologic ages that has been preserved in the earth's crust

this process thakes millions of years to complete. it cant be done overnight

It doesn't really matter if oil is abiotically produced or not. Imagine if it is, but it takes 100 million years.

Oil isn't dead dinosaurs either, it is dead dinosaur food (plants) and stuff in the ocean.

The fact remains that the USA had the most productive and valuable oil fields outside the Mideast. They have been exploited and pumped with the best technology known to mankind. Nevertheless, oil production peaked in the continental US in the 1970's despite the best efforts. It isn't coming back. Yes, there is still some more oil but less and less, and it is harder and harder to get. Those are the on-the-ground facts, and they haven't changed in decades.

There's no reason to believe that the same won't happen other places, and it has, just about everywhere except the mideast. Norway's oil and Britain's oil are quickly running out. That has been the reason for the stability and prosperity of the 80's and 90's with fairly cheap oil---new discoveries in friendly NATO countries with stable governments allowing free-market commercial exploration with the best technology. This isn't going to happen again.

Hydrogen Fill'er Up!


Okay finally I found the link to this hydrogen solution, yes this is online for something to counter the monster gasoline prices people are facing.

A good hardware solution generates hydrogen from solar panels, going off the grid as optional. If you already have solar panels on your house, go to it although it may be supportive to get those solar panels.

Perhaps a secondary and useful solution is to put those solar panels on your car roof, recharging hydrogen in those open parking lots while you work. The refueling cost is nothing, while the equipment is a one time deal.

It is suggested that this company spend a good chunk of money on security, since such inventions historically face the usual vested interest goon squads.

[edit on 5-9-2005 by SkipShipman]

I thought this was about gas. Seems more of a debate on oil. Because if you want to solve gas prices, build more refineries, not enough as of now.

Oil will dry up. The rate at which it replenishes into heavy crude takes a very long time. The fossil fuels we relly on are heavy crude oils, not the light syrup that comes from companies such as CWT.

Also there is DOT

Originally posted by TheRepublic
so if oil is renewable how come the dry wells arnt filling up?

Who says they aren't?
www.science-frontiers.com...
"It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the oil reservoir at Eugene Island is rapidly refilling itself from "some continuous source miles below the earth's surface." In support of this surmise, analysis of seismic records revealed a deep fault which "was gushing oil like a garden hose."

Check out Thomas Gold's "The Deep Hot Biosphere"