Originally posted by chinawhite
But from a conservaive side and a extreme side the medium of that is more etreme than conservative.
But if I read Xinhau, the Peoples Daily and the Epoch Times I see extremes from both sides. Then when I see something that is only reported in the Epoch Times, I start looking for outside confirmation. When I find it, it makes me wonder about the credibility of the other two publications.
I've seen The People's Daily attribute comments to The Epoch Times when they came from Boxun.com and Zaobao.
I think it was google_abcd. im 99% sure it was him.
Actually, it wasn't. A FLG member (I'm sure you know who I mean) and someone else flooded it with spam. google_abcd made some good contributions, in my opinion.
The have a code of coduct thing about losing face.
I'm familiar with it. That's why when I talk about democracy and Human Rights in China I try to concentrate on the positive things it can do for the country. The respect and increased opportunities it can bring and how it would effectively shut most of the West up. It gets you a lot further than just railing on about the CCP.
And statistics for china are sketchy at best.
chinawhite, master of the understatement.
Thanks for the link. The decrease in 30 million tons of grain production between 57 and 62 is the time period I am referring to. The numbers of dead came from analysis of birth and death records from the period of time when they were released in the 70's. As you pointed out, these can't be considered 100% reliable.
Here's a few links discussing the Great Leap Famine:
www.chinastudygroup.org... - I like this one. Every time I go there, they greet me with 'Welcome, anonymous comrade'. They place the blame on local officials.
www.findarticles.com... - archived copy of a report from the British Medical Journal
chronicle.uchicago.edu... - article based on discussions with Dali Yang, whose parents were peasant farmers during the revolution, and a book he wrote.
Criticizing the commune policy is said to be among of the reasons Marshall Peng Dehuai got the boot. This poem is attributed to him:
The millet is scattered over the ground.
The leaves of the sweet potato are withered.
The young and old have gone to smelt iron.
To harvest the grain there are children and old women.
How shall we get through the next year?
Due to the Losing Face thing, if this happened, the CCP would never admit to it.
A 38hour work week is not something prisoners deserve.
Work the murderers and rapists within an inch of their life. Fine by me. It's religious prisoners and journalists that I worry about.
But the manufractures cant keep in buiness without its prison workers.
The manufacturers who do not use prison labour can't compete with the camps. This leads to the unemployment of law-abiding Chinese citizens, the ones who deserve the jobs. They have families to support.
You should try. Ask for their opinion.
If you say they won't ignore me, I will try. The next time I see a Chinese person reading the Epoch Times, I will ask them about it.
I did think about approaching the Hu supporters when he was visiting, but I decided against it. I didn't know how to start the conversation without offending anyone.
